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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion

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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (3 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (3 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (3 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (3 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (3 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (3 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (3 years ago)

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#271 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

That's right! You see this is "The Official Pinside Skit-B Predator Discussion". We are merely "discussing" things related to Predator. There is very little "information" here. I think that's in another thread.

Yes, the only real info is here

#273 5 years ago

When there IS news...it will be...

#285 5 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

Does anybody know if the game will be a Predator™ or Predator?

Does anybody know if you are a "whack job" or a Whack Job™?

#288 5 years ago
Quoted from underlord:

Don't mess with The Tedster.

I'm just Tedding around...

#296 5 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Can we please stop with the BS licensing talk?

Yes...let's get back to Tediosity!

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#299 5 years ago

Back on topic....

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#457 5 years ago

It's time...

#471 5 years ago

OK! I'll fess up! I told Kevin..."When you make the comments on Pinside, do NOT mention the word Predator! It makes them crazy!" ..............worked!

#488 5 years ago
Quoted from underlord:

Thank you! There you have it folks. Confirmation of cabinet builds.

It don't mean anything! They probably have him brainwashed!

#496 5 years ago

The other Thread! He said it!!!

1 week later
#550 5 years ago

Looks EXACTLY like the one on the card....

4 weeks later
#620 5 years ago

I am Spartacus!

2 weeks later
#711 5 years ago

Big Thumbs Up for Big Phil...Big Douche for Sad Sack....just sayin'....

1 week later
#753 5 years ago

That's the spirit!

#768 5 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

So this begs the question..."How many Pinsiders does it take to assemble a Game?"
....and the punchline is....

5 without Ted.
30 with Ted.

#802 5 years ago
Quoted from fastpinball:

The fact that Kevin was able to entice new people to work with him and what he wants to do with his games should give Predator owners a little more confidence in what Kevin and Skit-B are doing in the short and long term.

#805 5 years ago
Quoted from Purpledrilmonkey:

what are they actually doing? Like physically, what is Kevin and SkitB doing day to day? Building machines? Painting stuff? Wiring? Waiting for parts? Drinking Coffee? Working a dayjob?

#820 5 years ago
Quoted from nephasth:

I consider my money long gone...

Get the Predator, play it and sell it for $7k in a few months...

#832 5 years ago
Quoted from rai:

EOD = worst theme ever

Not EVER....

#838 5 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

Or you could buy from Spooky. Problem solved.

...not if you want a Predator...

#865 5 years ago
Quoted from Jared:

From across threads and products and manufactures in the pinball community it becomes clear that the ones best regarded are the ones with excellent communication skills. Guys who *always* respond to emails, who respond to PM's, who not only participate in threads but create them... those are the people who gain the trust... get the customers... grow their business.

How many of those do we have?

#892 5 years ago
Quoted from Purpledrilmonkey:

For starters, in no particular order

I meant Pinball machine manufacturers ...

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#900 5 years ago

Whatever...all I'm trying to say is that there are plenty pinball machine makers that "don't answer every email"....

#935 5 years ago
Quoted from Jared:

Should skit-b fail for some reason... they don't just hurt 250 pinheads... they kill the entire business model for everyone. No Wrath of Olympus, no time-shock!, no Alien Pinball, and many more...

I don't agree.

#940 5 years ago

I wish Kevin nothing but the best and hope those Predators come rolling down the line soon! Can't wait to see those happy unboxing faces!

#976 5 years ago

When your grail pin becomes available, you will pre-order....

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#988 5 years ago
Quoted from yancy:

Thanks for igniting another round of adolescent boys' club nonsense.

...as opposed to the "Usual" nonsense...

#995 5 years ago

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#1007 5 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Ted! Where did you find that picture of M !?!?!?!?

OK guys, Thats really Blonde Tall!

Our secret...

#1009 5 years ago

Oh, I just mean in general. Most say they will never pre order...including myself...BUT, if that Forbidden Planet machine was announced...I'd pre-pay immd...

#1016 5 years ago

Who would you pick to make it? Once that one off is done, whoever just has to replicate it...

#1026 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I love Forbidden Planet. I'm sitting in front of the Mondo limited edition movie print even as a type this.

Big Forbidden Planet fan! Leslie and Anne were friends. I DO have a few Robby's...

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#1029 5 years ago

I'm IN! Had a painting made with me in Earl's part...

#1036 5 years ago

If not Forbidden Planet....Maybe a 50's Sci-Fi theme machine with all the monsters....or a Harryhausen machine with all his films!

#1041 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

Nice display case Ted! I especially like the Harryhausen film figures on the center shelf. Also like the 7 Voyages of Sinbad poster on the wall. One of my favorite movies as a kid.

Me too. That's just the top part of the case. More on the bottom.
No Predator in THAT room....I have a few others filled with "stuff"

#1054 5 years ago

Thanks!!....I think...

#1056 5 years ago

No worries...ok to pass the time while waiting for an update...

#1059 5 years ago

That's great!
We had him as a guest at Chiller. I brought my repro hand blaster and you should have seen his face light up when he saw it. It not only lights up, but makes the exact sound the blaster made in the film.
...ch ch ch... ch ch ch...ch ch ch ch ch ch (see pic above)

#1060 5 years ago
Quoted from captainadam_21:

Looks like that collection needs a good dusting.

True! Haven't been in there for weeks! Mostly down in the Cigar Room getting it ready...

#1062 5 years ago

Whenever you're in Jersey, the party will be ready....

#1065 5 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

I'll take you up on that one day.


Quoted from ccotenj:pm me when that one happens, i wanna be there...

You don't have to wait...

#1070 5 years ago

The update was ccotenj is coming over to have drinks in the Spring....

#1075 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

Going to a conference in Wayne, NJ next month. Would enjoy shooting the breeze with you if that is anywhere near you.

Great! Wayne is about 25 min away. Keep me posted!

#1080 5 years ago

This might help...

#1453 5 years ago

What?! Could this be real news??

#1461 5 years ago

I JUST got finished speaking with Kevin. I asked ALL the hard questions. Here is a quick summery:
YES, he is busy.
YES, the license is fine. He is working on getting into a better situation so EVERYTHING can be shown and talked about.
YES, machines are being built as we speak.
YES, jackwads are calling FOX.
YES, there will be a MAJOR announcement within the next 2 weeks with everything you want to know.
Everything is moving forward.

#1467 5 years ago

Didn't I just say that?

#1469 5 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

good update. If true, I nominate you official spokesmodel for boutique pinball. Your email was more succinct than the last 2 vague and meandering emails....

Thanks. When everything is explained, it will be crystal clear why the lack if information and pix.

#1473 5 years ago
Quoted from Pubaw:

Why does Kevin aka, Skitb not do exactly what you just did?

You will know that within 2 weeks.

#1474 5 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

IMO this reads to me that they don't currently have the license. We do license deals with major studios, tv networks and all forms of stars.

...and so do I...and, YES, there are times when you can't say certain things. It will be explained soon...

#1476 5 years ago
Quoted from Hwawonyu:

Please, please, please let this turn out well.

The machines are being built. (first group of 10)

#1489 5 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

Summary(?): Had the license, lost it (time ran out?), are trying to regain it, and will know success/fail within 2 weeks.

Never lost anything.

#1503 5 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Was there any mention or discussion of when people could expect to see a refund if requested?

I think he said it should take 3 or 4 weeks to get everything together.

#1504 5 years ago

I know everyone's going crazy and I understand. But, hopefully in a couple weeks, we should know everything. Kevin sounded sincere when we spoke, so let's give him the time he needs and see what happens.

#1510 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

But really, you've waited this long, what's a couple weeks going to matter? One way or another the truth is going to come to light soon enough.

True. I mean...many of us have played the game and spoke to Kevin. If this is a con...I've been fooled...and I don't get fooled easily...

#1514 5 years ago
Quoted from badbilly27:

This hobby always comes back to The Who

Can't argue with that!

#1530 5 years ago

I hope everything works out and everyone gets their games. This is a crazy thing and after 2 weeks we'll know one way or another. If I find out anything before that, I'll post here...

#1559 5 years ago

Let's just see how everything plays out in a couple weeks. If nothing, I'll get out a pitchfork myself!

#1572 5 years ago

hah! The good old days! ....
I'm just reporting what's been told to me. I truly hope everything works out...

#1583 5 years ago

"Ted, I didn't realize that you were NSFW."

Yeah, I noticed that! (was it the shirt??)

#1584 5 years ago
Quoted from rai:

Ted are you still getting Predator?

No, as I mentioned in a Predator Thread...I went in on a big 50's film poster collection. I sold most of my machines.

#1587 5 years ago

Ohhhh, not so bad...I've almost doubled my money and still retained 40% of the collection...

#1589 5 years ago

There are a few I'm looking into. I'll also be at Allentown.

#1592 5 years ago

Yeah, Kevin seems like a good guy and I really hope this works out for him...

#1594 5 years ago

Yes, but in life nothing and nobody's perfeckt...

#1596 5 years ago
Quoted from Sly_Old_Devil:

The Terminator guy you are pictured with above might not agree with that statement but yeah bumps in the road stop us falling asleep at the wheel.

True...just hope there isn't a cliff after the bumps...

#1653 5 years ago

And there's nothing shittier than shitty shit...

#1665 5 years ago
Quoted from woodworker:

Then some guy on here, who isn't even in on the game calls Kevin and gets to talk to him for 10 minutes, and has the entire situation explained to him?!

What difference does it make if I am "in on the game" or not. I'm trying to help. I found a card with Kevin's phone number on it and decided to call and ask a few questions. I can only report what I was told. I hope things get worked out.

#1669 5 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

Ha! Everyone knows that the ONLY time being "in on the game" is important is if you're saying something NEGATIVE!

#1670 5 years ago

Off Topic! We got some snow here....more tonight!

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#1676 5 years ago
Quoted from Jetzxi:

jeeze Ted, buy a grill cover!

Have one! It blew off!...and got buried!
...too busy power watching House of Cards to look for it...

#1687 5 years ago

Gotcha! All good...

#1725 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

But, this reply though, I'm assuming you're joking as I know you and Kevin go back at least 2 years with the personal communication.

What? I saw and spoke to Kevin at 2 pinshows. He called me once about my order and i called him once last week. That's 4 times in 3 years.....

#1736 5 years ago

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#1744 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

If that's the case, I apologize.

No worries. I met Kevin just like all of you guys...for me, it was at Allentown. Predator sounded like a great project and a bunch of us wanted to get involved. I was behind this project 100% as many others were. Now, I don't know what's going on except for what he told me. I hope things turn out ok.
Everybody seems to have some kind of information and who knows what's true. Hopefully we'll all find out soon.

#1748 5 years ago

Just listened to the Podcast. All I can say is...wow!

#1754 5 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

Whysnow is rarely right but I'll give Ted the benefit of doubt. Plus two weeks isn't long to wait.

I'm only reporting what I was told. I think Kevin really wants to make this machine. I hope he gets everything ironed out and everyone gets some good news.

#1756 5 years ago
Quoted from Marv:

More and more this is sounding like a "long con"..

Seems like a lot of trouble if it was just that...

#1759 5 years ago

Take it for what it's worth...he told me there were 10 machines being made with 3 done or almost done...
This is going to make a good documentary film...

#1773 5 years ago
Quoted from Hazoff:

If the licence was not fully obtained them why did he even go ahead with this

What I don't totally understand is....when you make up a playfield, backglass, toys, etc...you show a license. I went to Staples to get one of my scripts copied. They wouldn't do it until I proved I had the rights!
Did EVERYONE just make up this stuff on his word??

#1847 5 years ago
Quoted from Russo121:

He told me in a mail over two weeks ago that they were "currently assembling up through 18". Did he mention that number in the recent phonecall you had with him?

I think he said first 10 were in production with 3 almost finished.

#1852 5 years ago
Quoted from rosh:

A year ago I spoke with an old friend of mine who is a C-level guy at Fox

Give this guy a call!

#1862 5 years ago
Quoted from Pubaw:

I truly believe that secret room had nothing but a broom and dust pan in it...oh yeah...maybe some spiders too.

...and a fully working Predator machine...

#1867 5 years ago
Quoted from RCA1:

I thought he did a good job of explaining why he chose not to share some information which has not been independently confirmed. I felt he was trying to be fair and did a pretty good job of doing that.

Nobody wants to share rumors they heard about 2nd or 3rd hand...

#1899 5 years ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

Just thinking it would be a little funny if Kevin were nose to the grindstone building machines while blissfully ignorant of all the rampant speculation, wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth whirling all around him in cyberspace.

I told him about it.....sorry...

#1955 5 years ago
Quoted from Stones:

the past 24 hours has been outstanding!

The only thing outstanding is my pants!

#1984 5 years ago
Quoted from jarjarisgod:

Best idea I've heard all day!


#2034 5 years ago

"...but you had to have known the risk monetarily supporting a completely unproven startup company right?"...

Everybody with that 20/20 hindsight...

#2040 5 years ago
Quoted from Jared:

Even then you obviously thought that someone calling Fox could "get your pin shut down or taken away". That was never the truth. Your pin getting taken away is only one persons fault if that actually happens.

Not TOTALLY true! If the machines were just made and delivered, that would be that. If calls were made and the shit hit the fan, and that caused the project to stall or be shut down...that's another thing...

#2079 5 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

SkitB has left you out to dry it appears...

That may be the case, but I'm only going to post things here that I heard "straight from the horses mouth"...not 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand info. When we find out, we find out...yelling, bitching and moaning is not gonna make it happen any faster. I hope this all works out, but if not, I hope we find out what really happened.
...and as Aurich said...if this goes REALLY bad, hopefully most of everyone's money will get refunded.

#2084 5 years ago


...I'll tell ya where to send pre-payment. It will be safe at TedPal, Inc...

#2095 5 years ago

Something about MythBusters?

#2102 5 years ago

Better call Saul...

#2111 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Man, if I could turn the clock back two years.

I'd win the lottery!

#2113 5 years ago

That picture is as gray as your Heart...

#2115 5 years ago

Half chilled??

#2128 5 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Can't believe what shes done to herself.


#2143 5 years ago

"Are we going to Get Predator info next week...or just more boob pix?"

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#2189 5 years ago

Sorry...but I still like Jen!

#2197 5 years ago
Quoted from blondetall:

We now return you to your completely off the rails trainwreck of a thread. Because honestly, there's not much topic to get back on track with until we get word from Kevin.

Stop being so reasonable....

#2199 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

You don't have to starve yourself to be sexy.

Just look at meeee!

#2210 5 years ago
Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

Well there was no real updated information provided on those 'updates' so they will not be added.

True!...until it comes from the "horses mouth."

#2215 5 years ago

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#2221 5 years ago
Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

Just a decision I made sorry you don't care for it.

You're The Dude!...and I'll Abide with your decision...

#2267 5 years ago
Quoted from Jetzxi:

I was just saying that good stuff is coming soon

I like the sound of that!

...and, let's not forget the "classics" that I grew up with...

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#2272 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

Yes, let's not....

You're BACK!!

#2283 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

Yep, got home yesterday. Really enjoyed meeting you and just shooting the breeze. Definitely enjoyed the cigar club. Thank you for your hospitality. I hope I have the opportunity to return the favor someday.

Great meeting you as well! I'm sure we'll do it again. I hope there is some good Predator news coming.

#2302 5 years ago
Quoted from underlord:

My wife. 25 years ago.


Mine too, except the boobs are too small and the butt is too big...

#2340 5 years ago

Hold on...hold on....I don't know what it is, but, big news and good news announcement is coming soon!

#2345 5 years ago

Hopefully we'll get all the answers soon and we can all stop guessing...

#2348 5 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

How many days left?

Just soon....very soon. That to me means days...

#2357 5 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

You keep alluding to the fact that you have inside info here- why not share it? Or.... not say anything at all?
Why keep teasing these guys with your access when they cant get responses for months (THEY being paying customers).

Fine. I was giving info I was getting and trying to be helpful.
That's it. Bye!

#2367 5 years ago

Thanks for the PM's. No worries...there are obviously some assholes on here. If you have questions...just PM me...

#2977 5 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

I did. I exchanged a couple of PM with him. What he wrote was useful to me.
Thanks Ted !

Thanks. I've gotten a lot of PM's and have been chatting there. A few of you have asked me to come back here. I really don't have anything to add. I find no value in bitching and going over the same speculation over and over and over. Here is my take so far:
1) Kevin and I are not "best buddies." I know him from chatting at the shows. I've spoken to him on the phone, I think twice or 3 times.
2) I do not think he's a con man. He seems to be really into making this game.
3) Were there problems? Yes. Is he trying to work everything out? Yes.
4) The last communication from him said that there was going to be BIG news, and it was all good. (this was AFTER his big email) He can't say anything about rights, who's making the machine, etc until after things are finalized.
5) There are a few ways to look at this situation. Kevin will get everything worked out and a machine gets made. Or, the whole thing falls to shit and whatever is left gets divvied up. To keep going on and on with the nastiness, venom and sometimes just plain scumiosity makes it hard to participate.
6) All we can do right now is wait for the news. I hope for the best. If I hear any more, I will share it. If you want me to shut up until you hear from Kevin, that's fine too.
7) Thanks to all of you for your PM's...some nice conversation there.

#2982 5 years ago

(I will send you $10 and 2 cigars, as promised!)

#2988 5 years ago

Can we talk about Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons?

#2992 5 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

F it I'm gonna go drink beer and watch basketball!

I agree!!....except for the basketball...

#2995 5 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

Want to play ball?

I have that plastic! I thought it was for SS, but I think it's for EATPM...correct?

#2997 5 years ago

Thanks. I was surprised when i got it in the mail as I thought it was small.
...I know..."That's what she said!"...

#3004 5 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I guess the real question is what exactly is left?

Yes, and right now it's a GUESS from everybody. I just want to see the next announcement from Kevin.

#3010 5 years ago

He is waiting until everything is IN PLACE...otherwise it's just more "this might happen...that might happen" stuff

#3012 5 years ago

I gotta get to doing something REALLY important. Cigar Dinner tonight. The Cigar Club brought over a top chef from Dublin and he's cooking a 5 course meal tonight. Cigars, food and Bushmills (?) and Guinness....

(Chef Keith is on the right!)

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#3019 5 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

Welcome back, Ted. You're a good egg. The next cigar is on me.

Thanks Razor!

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#3023 5 years ago

When news is ready...we'll get it....THEN

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#3043 5 years ago
Quoted from Skins:

Enjoy the cigars my good man. I am partaking in a fine partagas 1845 black as I type.

Nice. Partagas and Fuente are my favorites.
As far as waiting...hard to tell...BUT, we have no choice. When he gets everything sorted out, we'll get the news....good or bad....why waste time guessing...

#3047 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

Dang it! I picked the wrong week to go to NJ. Too late now.

Oh yeah!!...you would have loved this!
...next time arrange your plans around the dinner...

#3049 5 years ago

...as much as you can be an ass sometimes, that WAS pretty funny...

#3052 5 years ago

On my way out...later guys!

#3246 5 years ago

Why don't you make the trip?

#3255 5 years ago

I hope we get some real news soon...

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#3342 5 years ago
Quoted from DevilsTuner:

I am now on the phone with his local police department telling them all about this thread. SHIT IS ON NOW! One of the first things the officer is asking about is dollar value. I told him 750,000.00 Thumbs down that all you want <deleted by mod>.

Why this type of <deleted by mod> would EVER be allowed back on Pinside is beyond me...

#3438 5 years ago

We all hope he is able to work something out. What do you think the chances are?

#3441 5 years ago

Sorry man. Everyone on Pinside is not like this. Stick around.

#3443 5 years ago

That's ONE persons opinion. I would like to hear what you have to say....

#3506 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

This thread needs more gifs. Ted, now we really need you to come back!

I'm bak!

#3511 5 years ago
Quoted from cosmokramer:

I find that quite disturbing...

...in a tantalizing sort of way...

#4484 5 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

So, care to share now the "certain things" you knew 2-3 weeks ago when you were sharing that "good news report" from Kevin?

Yes, I will.
...it just took me a while to read through things here, and part of the Pinball News article. Incredible and sad.
...as to what Kevin told me to "keep under wraps" for a while, while he was negotiating, was that Roger Sharpe was working on the license and JJP would probably be making the machine.

#4490 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

How much more is this gonna cost me?

Was I reading the Pinball News article right? At the end they made it seem like someone may still pick up this project.

#4525 5 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Thanks for sharing. I assumed he told you a dramatically different tale than whats come out here.
I just don't get what he thought a couple weeks would gain him.... unless it was just at a point where he was dreading the truth coming out and was trying anything to put it off- even for a few more days.

That may be the case. He said he didn't want to say anything until everything was negotiated.

#4804 5 years ago

These are just some ramdom thoughts about this issue. I have been in the film and publishing business for more than
35 years.
I feel bad for anyone that may lose their money.
Does this type of thing happen all the time? Yes it does.
Was there a possibility Kevin could have gotten away with making 250 machines without Fox knowing? Yes.
Don't forget, Fox had no idea what was going on and that was after the machine was featured at various conventions
all over the country AND all over the web.
There ARE mods all over the place that have no license. They are all bought. And, yes, even the Aurich Star Trek
The starship design and image has a copyright. There are Tron mods, T2 has plenty, Elvira, etc, etc.
In film this happens all the time as well. Someone will make a Frankenstein model kit, or poster and sell it at conventions.
They didn't get permission, but went under the radar. Many times the IP owners don't do anything because it would cost much more to sue them then what they'd get.
...I am in no way excusing Kevin for what he's done. Some things he told me at the time were true. He was talking with Fox to try and make things right. He did ask Roger Sharpe for help. Too little, too late.
...the only thing Kevin has to figure out now is how to refund whatever money is left. I agree, if lawyers get involved, there might be nothing left. I think most people here would be happy getting 80% of the money back and not going through a lengthy and costly court drama.
...again, I'm just rambling over a cup of coffee. One of my friends is a copyright attorney, when he gets back from vacation, I'll run all this by him for his thoughts. Bottom line: Kevin has to get his accounting together and find out exactly how much is left to distribute. And fast. I think he should give refunds before Fox gets it.

#4817 5 years ago

Cause he could probably sell 400 right away?

#4941 5 years ago
Quoted from jkdblaze:

I would think, best case, the money is held in the Paypal account and Paypal will side with the CC

If you went through a credit card, the credit card company can override PayPal.

#4947 5 years ago