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#1451 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Did NOT mean it to come off like rubbing sand in wounds here.

a little late for that

#1452 4 years ago

Here are direct quotes from Kevin that are in the Predator Updates thread from a couple of months ago.

Regarding Licensing:

“Licensing is obviously a big deal, and while these types of things have simply been accepted in the past, indie pinball (yes, I'm going to keep calling it that) is potentially a completely different beast altogether. Gathering copyright and likeness permissions is a huge, daunting process, but is very rewarding in the end. That being said, this is something you need to have reasonably taken care of before making any major announcements or commitments, and we've done a lot of work and spent countless hours making sure everyone involved is happy with how things turned out. I have many stories I could tell here, but I think I will wait until a time when there's a little less actual news to catch up on At any rate, I can see how one might wonder if a small indie startup would be able to handle this sort of task, but it is certainly not an issue over here. Don't expect any wild omissions or absences when you open up your first Skit-B new-in-box!

Regarding deposits:

“We have been working very closely with PayPal for a long time to make sure that every penny that goes through us is well-protected and secure. They have been extremely helpful and have developed a strong personal rapport with us that affords us the luxury of open and direct communication in any and all situations. With the security of all funds being absolutely paramount in ANY foreseeable case, there are processes that must be followed and while they can take a bit of time to work with, the end result is that even if we were to literally die or encounter a license issue or disappear to Venezuela or whatever other rumors there may be, we do so without risking a cent of your money.”

#1453 4 years ago

What?! Could this be real news??

#1454 4 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

I don't know how it has worked in the past but it sounds like refunds are not being readily granted now (unless things have changed in the last few weeks):
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/17#post-2243241
So no need to rub salt in people's wounds.

I have not been refunded yet, going on three weeks now since my request. I have sent another request this morning. I got on the list seven months ago, so maybe I have a chance at doing a charge back, I'm not certain at this point. I really wanted to give Kevin every opportunity before doing anything rash though.

#1455 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

a little late for that

I'm not sure you and I will agree on this topic. But let me say in no uncertain terms, I don't ant anyone (including you and Kevin) to lose money over this fiasco.

I think the whole thing hurts our hobby.

#1456 4 years ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

Here are direct quotes from Kevin that are in the Predator Updates thread from a couple of months ago.
Regarding Licensing:
“Licensing is obviously a big deal, and while these types of things have simply been accepted in the past, indie pinball (yes, I'm going to keep calling it that) is potentially a completely different beast altogether. Gathering copyright and likeness permissions is a huge, daunting process, but is very rewarding in the end. That being said, this is something you need to have reasonably taken care of before making any major announcements or commitments, and we've done a lot of work and spent countless hours making sure everyone involved is happy with how things turned out. I have many stories I could tell here, but I think I will wait until a time when there's a little less actual news to catch up on At any rate, I can see how one might wonder if a small indie startup would be able to handle this sort of task, but it is certainly not an issue over here. Don't expect any wild omissions or absences when you open up your first Skit-B new-in-box!”
Regarding deposits:
“We have been working very closely with PayPal for a long time to make sure that every penny that goes through us is well-protected and secure. They have been extremely helpful and have developed a strong personal rapport with us that affords us the luxury of open and direct communication in any and all situations. With the security of all funds being absolutely paramount in ANY foreseeable case, there are processes that must be followed and while they can take a bit of time to work with, the end result is that even if we were to literally die or encounter a license issue or disappear to Venezuela or whatever other rumors there may be, we do so without risking a cent of your money.”

at the risk of being bombarded with thumbs down and "hater" comments...

what a load of crap... the stuff about paypal is downright laugh out loud amusing...

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#1457 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Meh... that sentiment wasn't directed at you.... you were bound to get sand in your va-jay-jay from ANY criticism of skitB regardless....

at least you are getting your personal attack euphamisims correct now.

'salt' in your wounds.
sand in your<what he said>

The idea being that salt in an open wound will sting and sand in your <just repeating what he said> will likely make you crabby.

Glad to see you are batting 50% on your deragatory slams.

#1458 4 years ago

I really enjoyed listening to your podcast after the TBL stuff went down, so if you have something to add here I think a lot of us would like to hear it.

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#1459 4 years ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

Here are direct quotes from Kevin that are in the Predator Updates thread from a couple of months ago.
Regarding Licensing:
“Licensing is obviously a big deal, and while these types of things have simply been accepted in the past, indie pinball (yes, I'm going to keep calling it that) is potentially a completely different beast altogether. Gathering copyright and likeness permissions is a huge, daunting process, but is very rewarding in the end. That being said, this is something you need to have reasonably taken care of before making any major announcements or commitments, and we've done a lot of work and spent countless hours making sure everyone involved is happy with how things turned out. I have many stories I could tell here, but I think I will wait until a time when there's a little less actual news to catch up on At any rate, I can see how one might wonder if a small indie startup would be able to handle this sort of task, but it is certainly not an issue over here. Don't expect any wild omissions or absences when you open up your first Skit-B new-in-box!”

i think this is a classic case of people hearing what they want to hear...

To me, this doesn't say shit about them having a license from Fox for Predator. He used 150 words to say, well, wtf did he say? "Licensing is hard"

How about this:
"Regarding licensing:
We've been granted the licensing to build Predator Pinball!"

9 words.

Wake up everyone. There's a REASON he chooses this convoluted manner of writing. It's not an accident. No more than the sanitation of the website was "website maintenance." There's more info about something called Duckhunt than ANYTHING about pinball on that website... it would be comical if so many people werent out so much cash...

#1460 4 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

That is easy for *you* to say when your game is among the first ten sitting in pieces at their place. What about the other 240 people who ordered a Predator and would like to actually get one?

This is an excellent point to make! An excellent point of view. In a judicial sense (who knows, everyone has to at least concede it is possible) part supply may or may not protect later orders. admin. and other manufacturing costs may or may not eat up the rest of the funds on deposit. What is important is tangible assets. It is possible that there are only enough early part fulfillments to insure low number orders will at least get a "Grab Box" ...something...more than hot air? Who knows? Your point is a valid point though and should be discussed/acknowledged by the forum!

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#1461 4 years ago

OK...HERE WE GO!
I JUST got finished speaking with Kevin. I asked ALL the hard questions. Here is a quick summery:
YES, he is busy.
YES, the license is fine. He is working on getting into a better situation so EVERYTHING can be shown and talked about.
YES, machines are being built as we speak.
YES, jackwads are calling FOX.
YES, there will be a MAJOR announcement within the next 2 weeks with everything you want to know.
Everything is moving forward.

#1462 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

OK...HERE WE GO! ......

Finally, a voice of reason. Thanks Ted for taking the time to shed some light, even though you aren't on the pre-order list.

#1463 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

OK...HERE WE GO!
I JUST got finished speaking with Kevin. I asked ALL the hard questions. Here is a quick summery

YES, the license is fine.

...

YES, jackwads are calling FOX.

If the license is fine there is zero reason for that last sentence.

#1464 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

I kinda skimmed this thread but man, what another cluster-F in the jolly ol' land of pinball. I gotta say - I don't get why you're aiming your vitriol at Jared, or anyone for that matter who isn't Skit-B.
It's as simple as this:
-Skit-B said they'd make Predator pinball in 2012
-Skit-B took your money.
-It's 2015 & Predator pinball hasn't been made.
-Communication from Skit-B is terrible and does nothing but cause people to speculate and come up with their own conclusions based on the information available.
No one is to blame here except Skit-B. They're the one with the company making a licensed product. If it's f*cked, it's no one's fault but theirs. As a paying customer, aim your anger their way.

Excellent post!!! Mature and objective! A benefit to all readers who are able to take the emotion and the subjectivity out of cyberspace forum reading!!!

Good Job!!!

#1465 4 years ago
Quoted from jkdblaze:

I have not been refunded yet, going on three weeks now since my request. I have sent another request this morning. I got on the list seven months ago, so maybe I have a chance at doing a charge back, I'm not certain at this point. I really wanted to give Kevin every opportunity before doing anything rash though.

Has anyone received a refund in the last couple of months? I've been e-mailing Kevin and the support e-mail for the past 3 months to get a refund and I have not even received a confirmation that he's working on it.

#1466 4 years ago

I have just communicated with Kevin as well and was told in summary:

Everything is moving along.

They are currently working with liscence holders to have a deal where they can openly share everything and stop the allegations once and for all.

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#1467 4 years ago

Didn't I just say that?

#1468 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Didn't I just say that?

yes, but you're not wearing a cape.

good update. If true, I nominate you official spokesmodel for boutique pinball. Your email was more succinct than the last 2 vague and meandering emails....

#1469 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

good update. If true, I nominate you official spokesmodel for boutique pinball. Your email was more succinct than the last 2 vague and meandering emails....

Thanks. When everything is explained, it will be crystal clear why the lack if information and pix.

#1470 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

They are currently working with liscence holders to have a deal where they can openly share everything and stop the allegations once and for all.

IMO this reads to me that they don't currently have the license. We do license deals with major studios, tv networks and all forms of stars. Never have we signed a deal where we couldn't reveal we had a license. Licensors restrict info before content is released, I had to sign a non-disclosure for Lucasfilms that I wouldn't release any content before the movie was released. Predator is an old license. Now, I'm not saying they can't get the license. It really sounds like they don't have it now.

#1471 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

OK...HERE WE GO!
I JUST got finished speaking with Kevin. I asked ALL the hard questions. Here is a quick summery:
YES, he is busy.
YES, the license is fine. He is working on getting into a better situation so EVERYTHING can be shown and talked about.
YES, machines are being built as we speak.
YES, jackwads are calling FOX.
YES, there will be a MAJOR announcement within the next 2 weeks with everything you want to know.
Everything is moving forward.

Easy question...real easy actually. It took you what...30 seconds....60 seconds to post that here? Why does Kevin aka, Skitb not do exactly what you just did? 60 seconds? How long was your phone call with him? 60 seconds? Perhaps more? Just saying....

#1472 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Thanks. When everything is explained, it will be crystal clear why the lack if information and pix.

Just when everything is at it's bleakest, here comes some glimmer of positivity. The roller coaster continues...

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#1473 4 years ago
Quoted from Pubaw:

Why does Kevin aka, Skitb not do exactly what you just did?

You will know that within 2 weeks.

#1474 4 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

IMO this reads to me that they don't currently have the license. We do license deals with major studios, tv networks and all forms of stars.

...and so do I...and, YES, there are times when you can't say certain things. It will be explained soon...

#1475 4 years ago

Please, please, please let this turn out well.

#1476 4 years ago
Quoted from Hwawonyu:

Please, please, please let this turn out well.

The machines are being built. (first group of 10)

#1477 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

yes, but you're not wearing a cape.

good update. If true, I nominate you official spokesmodel for boutique pinball. Your email was more succinct than the last 2 vague and meandering emails....

Just cut the crap now..ok? Grown men with this kind of disposable income don't need you to preach to them...let the news break and then talk. Enough guesses specially after all the wrong guesses by the same crowd in TBL.

#1478 4 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

IMO this reads to me that they don't currently have the license. We do license deals with major studios, tv networks and all forms of stars. Never have we signed a deal where we couldn't reveal we had a license. Licensors restrict info before content is released, I had to sign a non-disclosure for Lucasfilms that I wouldn't release any content before the movie was released. Predator is an old license. Now, I'm not saying they can't get the license. It really sounds like they don't have it now.

IMO you should keep focused on your own problems of liscence rights and fair use rather than trying to continually stoke flames on others.

If you don't like how I said it, then please refer to how Ted said it if that helps you understand

Quoted from spfxted:

OK...HERE WE GO!

YES, the license is fine. He is working on getting into a better situation so EVERYTHING can be shown and talked about.

#1479 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

You will know that within 2 weeks.

setting my reminder for March 16th. Maybe news will come on the ides of March instead

#1480 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

If the license is fine there is zero reason for that last sentence.

C'mon Rob, for all that is good, please don't take a piss on the one ray of Sunshine that has come our (the pre-order folks) way. I appreciate your critical eye but can you let this one slide, just a wee bit? Just this once, ok?

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#1481 4 years ago

Let me ask this;

Does anyone here right now feel the need to do a 'passenger 57' with $5k at a casino of their choice?

Also, does anyone else have a vinegar smell in the crack of their asses?

Enquiring minds NEED to know.

#1482 4 years ago

Summary(?): Had the license, lost it (time ran out?), are trying to regain it, and will know success/fail within 2 weeks.

#1483 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

OK...HERE WE GO!
I JUST got finished speaking with Kevin. I asked ALL the hard questions. Here is a quick summery:
YES, he is busy.
YES, the license is fine. He is working on getting into a better situation so EVERYTHING can be shown and talked about.
YES, machines are being built as we speak.
YES, jackwads are calling FOX.
YES, there will be a MAJOR announcement within the next 2 weeks with everything you want to know.
Everything is moving forward.

You know, I could believe everything you wrote is correct, with some major parts of the story missing.

Entirely possible that some cash can sooth any licensing issue problems at this time.

#1484 4 years ago

Here we go again

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#1485 4 years ago
Quoted from Russo121:

Let me ask this;
Does anyone here right now feel the need to do a 'passenger 57' with $5k at a casino of their choice?

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#1486 4 years ago

Come on in, the water's cold!

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#1487 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

I really enjoyed listening to your podcast after the TBL issues, so if you have something to add here I think a lot of us would like to hear it.

Agreed. I haven't got that far in the podcast yet. My new car has Bluetooth so I have been listening on my 1.5 hour commute each way daily. Great podcast Nate. Interested in your take if you choose to discuss it.

#1488 4 years ago
Quoted from ThunderLips:

Has anyone received a refund in the last couple of months? I've been e-mailing Kevin and the support e-mail for the past 3 months to get a refund and I have not even received a confirmation that he's working on it.

I would definitely attempt a charge back. 3 MONTHS! Is inexcusable. When I asked for my 250.00 refund it was 3 days but 3 MONTHS! Even 3 weeks is crazy. The only reason it could take 3 months is either they don't have the money or don't want to give you the money. Or lie and say they haven't seen your correspondence..... Bud I'm sorry for yall.

#1489 4 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

Summary(?): Had the license, lost it (time ran out?), are trying to regain it, and will know success/fail within 2 weeks.

False!
Never lost anything.

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#1490 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

If the license is fine there is zero reason for that last sentence.

Quoted from ChadNC:

The only reason it could take 3 months is either they don't have the money or don't want to give you the money. Or lie and say they haven't seen your correspondence..... Bud I'm sorry for yall.

How often do we hear "there is zero reason for x" or the "only possible reason(s) for x is y(w,z, etc)", stated as if they are all knowing. For some reason these statements almost always point to something dire.

Is such hyperbole helpful or does it merely serve to fan the flames?

#1491 4 years ago

Ted, good summary. Sounds like you have covered many bases and confirmed the license hasn't expired (which was going to piss me off if true). One major item not reported on is the status of refunds. Was there any mention or discussion of when people could expect to see a refund if requested?

#1492 4 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Ted, good summary. Sounds like you have covered many bases and confirmed the license hasn't expired (which was going to piss me off if true). One major item not reported on is the status of refunds. Was there any mention or discussion of when people could expect to see a refund if requested?

I suspect this will be like TBL for some. If they can get the refund, it proves SkitB is solvent and they won't want it.

#1493 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

i think this is a classic case of people hearing what they want to hear...
To me, this doesn't say shit about them having a license from Fox for Predator. He used 150 words to say, well, wtf did he say? "Licensing is hard"
How about this:
"Regarding licensing:
We've been granted the licensing to build Predator Pinball!"
9 words.
Wake up everyone. There's a REASON he chooses this convoluted manner of writing. It's not an accident. No more than the sanitation of the website was "website maintenance." There's more info about something called Duckhunt than ANYTHING about pinball on that website... it would be comical if so many people werent out so much cash...

this sums it up for me.

I want everyone to get a kick ass pin, or a full refund. But something about Kevin almost like he's not all there. Cool guy, like to hang with him and have a beer. But he doesn't look like a super successful business man. I know he's probably street smart. But he's playing in the corporate world, with real money. I hate to see anyone get burned, I don't think this was a scam or intentional by Kevin. But clearly he's in over his head. I believe he originally boasted this pin was for 2013 something doesn't add up when a project is 2 years behind schedule he deletes all old videos and won't mention the product on his website. I mean what's up with that?

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#1494 4 years ago

this game out yet?

#1495 4 years ago

What's crazy is if there is a positive outcome with Fox, he still has to build 250 machines. And we know how smooth that has gone so far.

#1496 4 years ago
Quoted from Pubaw:

This is an excellent point to make! An excellent point of view. In a judicial sense (who knows, everyone has to at least concede it is possible) part supply may or may not protect later orders. admin. and other manufacturing costs may or may not eat up the rest of the funds on deposit. What is important is tangible assets. It is possible that there are only enough early part fulfillments to insure low number orders will at least get a "Grab Box" ...something...more than hot air? Who knows? Your point is a valid point though and should be discussed/acknowledged by the forum!

Agree, this was why I was happy with $250 deposit and pay as you go with the remainder of the pin. This way if the pins hit a snag or Kevin stops making sense (gee) than the tail enders wouldn't be stuck and would not have to fund in the beginning (AKA June 2014 when they aren't getting their pins until 2016 (likely for the tail enders).

#1497 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

What's crazy is if there is a positive outcome with Fox, he still has to build 250 machines. And we know how smooth that has gone so far.

I think it will literally take at least 1.5 years for them to ship all 250.....if they get cranking.

#1498 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Well, shit, you're right.
BUT, I didn't mean to single out the skitB people as being to blame, at least not anymore than ANY of the rest of us that have been supporting JJP, DP or Stern are to blame.
I was trying to make a bigger point about not holding these companies accountable.
Did NOT mean it to come off like rubbing sand in wounds here.

That wasn't directed at you.

#1499 4 years ago

I found what I call "The demand letter".

I'm going to call it 9 months ago.
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6-11-14
{snip}As a message to pre-owners who already have an assigned game number and deposit in place to hold your game, if you have yet to meet or exceed a total of $3000 USD towards your machine, this total must be achieved by no later than Saturday, June 28th in order for us to reasonably continue and get these machines built on a schedule that is acceptable for everyone. For most of you, this will be easily handled by using the $2750 option either by mail at the address listed below, or through our PayPal deposits page at the link that follows. Please keep in mind that, at this point, if you choose to finish your balance off completely, the incentives previously discussed will still apply.

For the waitlisters recieving this message, please be advised that at this point in the project, if you receive correspondence from us informing you of an opportunity to move onto the pre-owners' list and get assigned a game, a deposit of $3000 USD will be required in order to acquire said position. This helps us maintain a dedicated pre-owners' list and will keep us steadily moving in the right direction.

What this all means for all of you anxious pinball fanatics is that following the date provided above, we can finally break out of the initial stages of our production cycle and get to assembling these awesome machines and getting them out to you in a matter of a few short months! Thank you all for being a part of this project, now let's get it done and go play some pinball!

-Kevin W. Kulek, Skit-B Pinball

#1500 4 years ago
Quoted from rai:

I found what I call "The demand letter".

Even then it was "the project" and "your game".

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