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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


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#6801 4 years ago

Tumbleweeds.....

Still no refunds either...

#6802 4 years ago

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#6803 4 years ago
Quoted from PinChili:

Theft of other's IP is not a victimless crime. It's wrong and it's a major problem for studios.

>it's not a victimless crime ..... and is a major problem for studios
this is not a slam-dunk in either direction. plenty of folks assert that piracy is what spreads the word of music and films, massively increases their exposure and so directly leads to *increased* sales to the people who discovered it via a borrowed tape or downloaded copy. having said that, i agree that stealing the IP of a small start-up business probably takes food off their table at a time when every penny counts. but a behemoth the size of Fox? never. they would likely reap the benefits of free publicity by piracy.

>it's wrong
er.... yeah maybe, but this isn't church or a police station. i'm sure most of us swear and speed and used to drink underage, and i'm 100% positive that in your life you would have borrowed a friend's tapes or recorded off the radio, right? as vid said, sometimes rulebreakers are cool.

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#6804 4 years ago
Quoted from cooldan:

>it's wrong
er.... yeah maybe, but this isn't church or a police station. i'm sure most of us swear and speed and used to drink underage, and i'm 100% positive that in your life you would have borrowed a friend's tapes or recorded off the radio, right? as vid said, sometimes rulebreakers are cool.

Yeah man, like right on! Rulebreakin is cool.

Like this rule, "when you take someones money you don't steal it"

Cool right? Very "Punk Rock"

#6805 4 years ago

So, is this lawsuit week?

#6806 4 years ago
Quoted from TOK:

I think Bally did get sued Space Invaders. They stopped producing the game (even though a lot were made) and paid Fox a license fee based on the number of machines already sold.

that is true, although I do not believe they stopped producing them. just had to negotiate a pretty hefty license fee.

#6807 4 years ago

Can someone PM me Kevins actual address? Need it to file legal action. All I have is the P.O. where all the checks were sent.

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#6808 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Yeah man, like right on! Rulebreakin is cool.
Like this rule, "when you take someones money you don't steal it"
Cool right? Very "Punk Rock"

don't twist my words please. i was talking about piracy, and so not paying for something, rather than taking it from someone. distinctly different. and yes, i do think rulebreakin' is cool, thanks for the suggestion. breakin' the law! breakin' the law!

gif beavis wigging out.gifgif beavis and butthead - dance.gifbeavis n b.gif

maybe you'd be happier playing a Wizard of Oz or something?

#6809 4 years ago
Quoted from cooldan:

don't twist my words please. i was talking about piracy, and so not paying for something, rather than taking it from someone. distinctly different. and yes, i do think rulebreakin' is cool, thanks for the suggestion. breakin' the law! breakin' the law!
gif beavis wigging out.gifgif beavis and butthead - dance.gifbeavis n b.gif
maybe you'd be happier playing a Wizard of Oz or something?

wow! a new twist on theft..just use different words

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#6810 4 years ago
Quoted from cooldan:

don't twist my words please. i was talking about piracy, and so not paying for something, rather than taking it from someone. distinctly different.

lol...

Yes, great point.

Taking something without paying for it is DRASTICALLY different than stealing...

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#6811 4 years ago

what if you change the process & first don't pay for it, then take it?

#6812 4 years ago

This might be helpful for some. The "P" in "IP" stands for property, kinda like a car, TV, ipod, phone, house are also property.

That having been said, I have had a chuckle at all these mavericks and rebels breaking the law by playing pinball machines that may have IP violations. Wow, the next thing I'll hear about is how some of you looked off of someone else's paper at school or even stole a beer from your dad's fridge when you were only 16! Heck, I bet some people even inhaled! I'm not sure I fit in with such a rebellious crowd.

#6813 4 years ago
Quoted from Oldgoat:

This might be helpful for some. The "P" in "IP" stands for property, kinda like a car, TV, ipod, phone, house are also property.
That having been said, I have had a chuckle at all these mavericks and rebels breaking the law by playing pinball machines that may have IP violations. Wow, the next thing I'll hear about is how some of you looked off of someone else's paper at school or even stole a beer from your dad's fridge when you were only 16! Heck, I bet some people even inhaled! I'm not sure I fit in with such a rebellious crowd.

I fired up Napster one time in university, but I didn't download. The peer pressure made me do it!

Seriously, I won't pretend I have an absolutely clear record, but I am embarassed by the number of people/families I know who make over 100K a year and still can't be bothered to pay for the IP they steal.

I figure if it a piece of entertainment, and I actually want it, I should you know, buy it with my money.

Put another way, how entitled to I have to be to STEAL something as trivial and abundant as entertainment in North America? It is not as if it is going to save my life, or as if I don't have a substantial amount of other choices that don't involve ripping other people off.

#6815 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

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OMG... look at that hideous freckle on her cheek !!

#6816 4 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

OMG... look at that hideous freckle on her cheek !!

Uhhh, yeah, what he said.

#6817 4 years ago

Yeah because you were looking at her face first......

#6818 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

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I am reporting this post to the authorities of Pinside. Pic says click to enlarge, but that feature didn't work as expected, dammit.

#6819 4 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

I am reporting this post to the authorities of Pinside. Pic says click to enlarge, but that feature didn't work as expected, dammit.

i have to hold my monitor closer to my eyes

#6820 4 years ago

She has a big nose

#6821 4 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

I am reporting this post to the authorities of Pinside. Pic says click to enlarge, but that feature didn't work as expected, dammit.

fixed.

though I think I like the original

#6822 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

fixed.
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hideous freckle is still there

#6823 4 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

hideous freckle is still there

ok... cant see it from this angle... but to be honest, i didnt notice she even had a nose for about 30 seconds (much less a frecklea9.

#6824 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

i didnt notice she even had a nose for about 30 seconds (much less a frecklea9.

I didn't notice she had a HEAD!

#6825 4 years ago

Elbows too pointy. 2/10. Would not bang.

#6826 4 years ago
Quoted from jayhawkai:

Elbows too pointy. 2/10. Would not bang.

She has elbows?

#6827 4 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

Can someone PM me Kevins actual address? Need it to file legal action. All I have is the P.O. where all the checks were sent.

Thanks to all who replied.

#6828 4 years ago

sorry for delay...
think this is that bleep's address
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#6829 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

fixed.
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though I think I like the original

Perfect - thanks! Anybody notice the make / model of car she is in? Figure if any group might be able to answer that question it would be this one

#6830 4 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Perfect - thanks! Anybody notice the make / model of car she is in? Figure if any group might be able to answer that question it would be this one

All I know is it isn't mine and that makes me sad.

#6831 4 years ago

What I want to know is where are you guys getting pictures of my wife?

#6832 4 years ago

Just talked to Paypal and no way they are going to refund is what I am told. So paypal not via credit card and check people will have to take legal action against Kevin.

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#6833 4 years ago

The thing with a lawsuit is that in Michigan small claims court can go up to $5500. I want my $4750 back, but if I have to buy a plane ticket and take two days off of work, then I'm going to go after the $5500. Guy just needs to issue refunds before it gets worse for him.

#6834 4 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

What I want to know is where are you guys getting pictures of my wife?

heres another of your wife...

and heres her instagram site...

https://instagram.com/doroshina/

#6835 4 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Guy just needs to issue refunds before it gets worse for him.

Would be easiest for everyone, but if Kevin doesn't have all of the money to refund (which seems extremely probable) there's no obvious way for him to proceed. If he refunds 50% to each buyer, he'll just have a bunch of suits for $2.5k instead of $5k on his hands. Hard to see any road forward other than for this to play itself out through small claims and/or bankruptcy.

#6836 4 years ago

Only problem I have is that if he has a lawyer, then he can request it be taken to real court. Then I would have to get a real lawyer, and since I'm the plaintiff, I don't think that entitles me to a court appointed attorney. Then I'm already out half the money. Then it would be multiple days, multiple plane tickets. Then even if you win, you still might not get paid. What a mess man. I just want a damn machine in my house so I can stop getting hammered every time I want to play!

#6837 4 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Then even if you win, you still might not get paid. What a mess man.

This would be the most frustrating part in my mind. To go through all the work, headaches, and MORE money (for lawyers, court fees, travel, whatever) and in the end you may still not get anything back. Because ultimately, I don't see how Kevin avoids declaring personal bankruptcy.

#6838 4 years ago
Quoted from PinChili:

This would be the most frustrating part in my mind. To go through all the work, headaches, and MORE money (for lawyers, court fees, travel, whatever) and in the end you may still not get anything back. Because ultimately, I don't see how Kevin avoids declaring personal bankruptcy.

I've started researching Michigan bankruptcy law and want to make sure everyone is aware of the laws regarding non-dischargeable debts:

The following debts may be declared non-dischargeable by a bankruptcy judge in Chapter 7 if the creditor challenges your request to discharge them.
1.Debts you incurred on the basis of fraud.

The list goes on. But this is a breath of hope.

Enaud

#6839 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Debts you incurred on the basis of fraud. The list goes on. But this is a breath of hope.

Better than nothing I guess, but even if the debts aren't dischargeable, you're left trying to collect from someone that just went through bankruptcy, presumably shedding most of his assets in the process.

#6840 4 years ago

did none of you ever download any torrents from thepiratebay or kickasstorrents?
gif penguin pirates.gif

but anyway i don't mean to stir the pot. if he had made this game, everyone would have been high-fiving him. but he never made it, for a collection of reasons. i hope you all manage to get your lawsuits filed in a way to back each other up rather than all to compete against each other. peace

#6841 4 years ago
Quoted from cooldan:

If he had made this game, everyone would have been high-fiving him. but he never made it, for a collection of reasons.

Well, that's a pretty sanitized version!

Admittedly, "collection of reasons" sounds better than "lied and defrauded."

However, I would take issue with your first point as well. Knowing what we know now, it seems implausible that he could have EVER made these games even without the little detail of lying about the license.

#6842 4 years ago

So, no-one has heard anything more from Kevin.
I'm going to call Paypal again in the morning and see if obtaining a crime reference number will help.

Paypal DO have a part to play in this. They have the power to freeze the account and give people money back.

#6843 4 years ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

Paypal DO have a part to play in this. They have the power to freeze the account and give people money back.

If he already transferred the money to his bank account, PayPal can't do anything

#6844 4 years ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

So, no-one has heard anything more from Kevin.
I'm going to call Paypal again in the morning and see if obtaining a crime reference number will help.
Paypal DO have a part to play in this. They have the power to freeze the account and give people money back.

The money is gone. Kevin took it. PayPal does not have it. They did not defraud anybody. They did not promote his game on Pinside. Keep your eye on the prize. It is Kevin. If he did not gamble it away, he converted it to cash. He is not stupid (contrary to what some believe).

#6845 4 years ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

I'm going to call Paypal again in the morning and see if obtaining a crime reference number will help.
Paypal DO have a part to play in this. They have the power to freeze the account and give people money back.

Well, I hope you talk to the same "paypal lady" thats Whysnow spoke to. She defintely seemed to be the most informed 1st level customer service person Ive EVER heard of.

Quoted from Whysnow:

I just got off the phone with Paypal and the lady told me that the SkitB account has the funds to apparently refund all people and transactions. She seemed to think it was going to take a little bit?
she asked me for 'patience'.

"Patience". lol. The only thing missing was for her to say "just wait 2 weeks"

(Ironically, that was from about 2 weeks ago)

#6846 4 years ago

here come the lawsuits

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#6847 4 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

If he already transferred the money to his bank account, PayPal can't do anything

Guess you've never been on the receiving end of Paypal's 'suck' ability...

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#6848 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Well, I hope you talk to the same "paypal lady" thats Whysnow spoke to. She defintely seemed to be the most informed 1st level customer service person Ive EVER heard of.

"Patience". lol. The only thing missing was for her to say "just wait 2 weeks"
(Ironically, that was from about 2 weeks ago)

This is an honest question...

Do you get joy out of rubbing it in that a bunch of people are out loads of cash?

How many times do I need to tell you I was wrong about Predator before you finally f%^king give it up and stop gloating and antagonizing with the same incessant shit?

#6849 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Guess you've never been on the receiving end of Paypal's 'suck' ability...

+1.

I once sold a remote control airplane to a local guy who was deployed overseas. He had paypalled me the money a couple of weeks before and asked me to hold it until his wife could find time to meet up with me to get it.

After a couple of weeks I just went and delivered the plane to his wife at his house. Afterwards, he told paypal he never got it and they took the money out of my actual bank account because I had already transferred it.

I called the guy and asked him if he was stupid, because I had been inside his house and met his wife. After a short discussion, she met up with me to give me the cash.

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#6850 4 years ago

Getting a judgment is a waste of time and money since he is probably judgment proof.
As far as a criminal complaint that is up to the DA since it is a crime against the state and not the people that were defrauded.
If it did go to trial and he is convicted the lawyers, courts and state will get the money not the victims that were ripped off since the legal fees and fines will be more than the amount recovered.
The taxpayers will get ripped off further paying for his 3 hots and his cot while he does his time if any since they are more concerned with getting their hands on the money than the outdated concept of justice.
Our system is so broken, first you get ripped off by the perp then you get ripped off again by the courts.
Best thing sorry to say is just suck it up and move on.

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