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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


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#7401 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Does anyone have a Pacer account to inquire and see if Kevin's filed bankruptcy?
If he does, I want to be a creditor making a demand.

I have Pacer, I'll check this afternoon.

As far as I know it is the obligation of the person seeking discharge to name all his creditors and provide them notice of the BK filing (again, I have limited sophistication with bankruptcy procedure so speak with a specialist, do not rely on my limited knowledge of bankruptcy procedure).

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#7402 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I have Pacer, I'll check this afternoon.
As far as I know it is the obligation of the person seeking discharge to name all his creditors and provide them notice of the BK filing (again, I have limited sophistication with bankruptcy procedure so speak with a specialist, do not rely on my limited knowledge of bankruptcy procedure).

The easiest way to identify a real lawyer is to look for the disclaimers that follow any advice they give.

#7403 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Does anyone have a Pacer account to inquire and see if Kevin's filed bankruptcy?
If he does, I want to be a creditor making a demand.

Can you (or anyone) PM me his full name?

#7404 4 years ago
Quoted from asay:

Can you (or anyone) PM me his full name?

Kevin "poo poo pants" Kulek

#7405 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Kevin "poo poo pants" Kulik

Nothing came up in PACER Michigan for his name (with or without poopoo ) but I'm only an armchair internet lawyer, maybe someone else can dig up some juice that I'm not finding.

#7406 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Kevin "poo poo pants" Kulek

hehehehehehe

#7407 4 years ago

There was a Kevin Kulek that filed for bankruptcy in 1989 in Lincoln, Nebraska (Case: 89-40952) . . . not the same person. I did not see anything filed by our Kevin . . . note that does not mean he hasn't filed, just that I didn't see/find it when I looked in passing.

#7408 4 years ago

Kevin Whitney Kulek, not to be mixed up with his dad Kevin Mitchell Kulek

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#7409 4 years ago

I have an update. Just got off the phone with a midland deputy and gave him my personal info (had contacted him last week). He mentioned that he was going over to visit Kevin and his lawyer in the next 1/2 hour. The deputy will contact me in the next day or two to let me know what happened.

#7410 4 years ago
Quoted from Cobra99:

I have an update. Just got off the phone with a midland deputy and gave him my personal info (had contacted him last week). He mentioned that he was going over to visit Kevin and his lawyer in the next 1/2 hour. The deputy will contact me in the next day or two to let me know what happened.

That's the best update we've had in weeks! At least that confirms he has a lawyer and at least we know law enforcement is not just sitting on this. Thanks for the update.

#7411 4 years ago

Keep making as much noise as possible.

#7412 4 years ago
Quoted from asay:

Nothing came up in PACER Michigan for his name (with or without poopoo ) but I'm only an armchair internet lawyer, maybe someone else can dig up some juice that I'm not finding.

He might be to busy getting all "punk rock" on the DIY tip with someone elses property to file.

"Ain't nobody got time for that"

#7413 4 years ago
Quoted from Cobra99:

He mentioned that he was going over to visit Kevin and his lawyer in the next 1/2 hour.

Did he provide you the name of the attorney by chance?

#7414 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Did he provide you the name of the attorney by chance?

No

#7415 4 years ago

Hope the lawyer in question isn't his mother, as any legal advice would be tainted and of little value. Call that detective back in an hour and ask what he has been able to detect.

#7416 4 years ago
Quoted from Cobra99:

I have an update. Just got off the phone with a midland deputy and gave him my personal info (had contacted him last week). He mentioned that he was going over to visit Kevin and his lawyer in the next 1/2 hour. The deputy will contact me in the next day or two to let me know what happened.

Today I filed a police report as well.

#7417 4 years ago

Will it help if a bunch more of us contact the Deputy? PM his number if you want me to contact him.

#7418 4 years ago

Just PM me and I can forward the number and the Deputy name. Trekie actually got me going on this.

#7419 4 years ago

http://www.pinballnews.com/comment/predatorpinball2.html

Kevin talks with Pinball News.

I'll give my opinions in a separate post.

Marcus

#7420 4 years ago

OK...now refunds, please....

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#7421 4 years ago
Quoted from Xerico:

http://www.pinballnews.com/comment/predatorpinball2.html
Kevin talks with Pinball News.
I'll give my opinions in a separate post.
Marcus

have fun parsing that, ummm, hell, i dunno what it is... i can't think of a diplomatic way to say it...

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#7422 4 years ago

This statement is ridiculous:

"We did contact Fox initially, and they had given us, like…. I don’t really know how to say it, it’s almost like, how to do this under fair use kinda thing."

I seriously cannot even believe he is not owning up to his deception. He never told anyone "we're within the bounds of fair use". He never said that. He only said "we have the license." It's such BS for him to try and frame this like he just never saw it coming. Is he delusional?? Did he not make statements after MPE in 2014 that they had to make changes to playfield artwork due to Fox's concerns?!? WHO EXACTLY AT FOX WAS GIVING YOU FEEDBACK/APPROVAL ON YOUR ARTWORK???? Please give the name of a person you were in direct contact with approving anything. It's just still so surreal to me. I wish Martin would have hit him much harder with quesitons.

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#7423 4 years ago

Just when I thought my opinion of him couldn't be any lower....

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#7424 4 years ago

Unbelievable. Never met the guy in person, but it's hard to believe that he would come across this naive?

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#7425 4 years ago

LOL this guy really SUCKS! He's even trying to play the victim card. HE IS SO FULL OF SHIT!

"And honestly, if these anonymous folks would have started by contacting me, instead of deliberately going out to attack the situation, it would have been taken care of quietly and quickly. And everyone would not only get their game, but get everything they ever asked for. It would be back on websites, and we would be able to promote the crap out of it, it would become this all-encompassing really cool thing, that these people could feel special to be a part of. And now most people feel like they were taken, and they were lied to, it’s like this really bad thing.”

LOL If the anonymous people would have just contacted him directly he would have fixed everything LOLOLOLOOL

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#7426 4 years ago

Ooh, ooh, something from Kevin that finally I believe:

“When I had tried to work something out directly with them, it’s hard to put a real term on it, but, I don’t know what I’m doing. You know what I mean? I’m not a licensing guy."

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#7427 4 years ago

So Kevin decides to speak with Martin of Pinball News.

Here is the synopsis (per Kevin)

* Kevin made the assumption that he had Fox's approval to move forward because Fox explained the Fair Use concept to him on a call
* The "license" was verbal. There was never a written licensing agreement.
* Even after getting notified by Fox that he needed to remove all Predator references from the internet, he still did not reach out to Fox to confirm his understanding of the "license"
* Once he found out about AG's involvement, he reached out to Fox and came away thinking that Fox was open to working something out, hence is cryptic email.
* Kevin's intentions were to provide everyone a game. He just was ignorant and naive about the proper way to do it.
* Kevin intends to refund everyone. The Paypal account is largely untouched, minus some small purchases for parts.
* Kevin is done with Pinside. It is not the pinball community.

There's more to the story. But that was my take on the story.

Here is a snippet from the Article that relates to Pinside.

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Finally, looking to the longer term future, we wondered if Kevin sees how he can recover from this and return to play a positive part in the pinball community. He was upbeat about the possibility of continuing to develop pinball and other games products further down the line.

He told us, “There’s a handful of things to consider. First of all, the people who know me personally in pinball, they’re the guys who are calling me saying ‘What the Hell’s going on? You would never do anything like this.’ And that’s the general consensus of the people I know personally. Locally or far away, it doesn’t matter."

"So I’m not worried about, as you so unavoidably put it, rehabilitating myself into the community."

"But, when it comes to the rest of the community, there’s an air there now. There’s this weird deniability or believability. It’s all going to come down to what people believe at what time. You know, what information is fed to them and from what sources."

"And so as far as the pinball community goes, the biggest preface is; Pinside is not the pinball community. But people see it that way. And as far as that community goes, I have no interest in redeeming anything with the people who tried to post my wife’s phone number in order to harass me directly or indirectly, or suggested that I paid all the money to my mother, and whatever else was said."

----------------------

And finally, my take. The following opinion is my own. It does not reflect Robin's or the Pinside Moderator Team's opinion. I am speaking as a pinball collector.

Kevin has to be the biggest, blundering Pinball Manufacturer of all time. The article makes him look completely incompetent. His failure to reach out to Fox to get a written license is just asinine.

While I do not believe he was a crook who had the intention of scamming Fox, the buyers or anyone else, I do believe he has proven himself unfit to run any type of pinball manufacturing operation.

I wanted to believe in the little guy so badly that I failed to do my own due diligence. I had plenty of close friends warn me about believing in Kevin. They all described him as a good guy, but a flake.

I was impressed by the prototype at TPF in 2014. I had fun playing the game, despite its flaws.

While the Pinball News article does shed some light on the incredible stupidity of SKit-B, it also convinces me that he was just some kid in the basement who didn't know what the hell he was doing.

But he is a bit hypocritical in my opinion. He was perfectly happy to use Pinside to get his 250 games sold. He was happy to participate in forum discussions while there was no money on the line. But the moment the venture turned into a real life business, he fled like a coward.

He then decides that Pinside is not the pinball community. And this is indeed the case. Pinside is not the entire pinball community. However, Pinside is THE Pinball Community that built Skit-B.

Since we brought Skit-B into this world, it is only fitting that we take it out.

I look forward to the day that Skit-B is just a bad memory.

Marcus

#7428 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

There was a Kevin Kulek that filed for bankruptcy in 1989 in Lincoln, Nebraska (Case: 89-40952) . . . not the same person.

I beat the shit out of him just because....

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#7429 4 years ago

"Even when Fox told them to remove all mention of the Predator project from their website and stop promoting the game, Kevin says they didn’t see this as a big deal."

He told us, “When they asked us to take the things down from the website, it was like, ‘Oh, I guess we overstepped. Let’s draw it back a little bit and stick with the agreement that we had.'”

Yet he told all of us that he took references to Predator off his website because they were "re-doing it". lol

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#7430 4 years ago

How about this one:

"It’s hard to give bad news. If you remember, I said, as early as last April I said we were supposed to be hitting the line, and we got everything in order, and that was the time to pull the trigger. And that’s when the gravity of manufacturing really hit home and we drove through it, you know. And when problems arose, we stepped over them, we got through it."

Stepped over them and got through them? LOL Where are the machines? LOL

#7431 4 years ago
Quoted from Xerico:

http://www.pinballnews.com/comment/predatorpinball2.html
Kevin talks with Pinball News.
I'll give my opinions in a separate post.
Marcus

Needs to be in a brand new thread so this one can be retired.

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#7432 4 years ago
Quoted from Xerico:

While I do not believe he was a crook who had the intention of scamming Fox, the buyers or anyone else, I do believe he has proven himself unfit to run any type of pinball manufacturing operation.

He may not have started out like that but it is exactly what it turned into. He has not owned up to numerous LIES and exaggerations he knowingly made. In early 2014 around Michigan Pinball Expo I specifically recall him making statements that playfield artwork had to be changed due to requests from Fox. Who exactly were those requests coming from? Who exactly was reviewing anything? He has cornered himself now and any person in on this should go back through every update email from him and look for exactly these inconsistencies in his story. All fantastic evidence for a case.

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#7433 4 years ago

"Kevin told us that although it is happening slowly and streadily, the refund process has begun and a number of those who pre-ordered have already received repayments."

LOL! Will one person please confirm that they got an actual refund from Kevin, and not through a chargeback? Just one person...anyone?...*crickets*

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#7434 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

"Kevin told us that although it is happening slowly and streadily, the refund process has begun and a number of those who pre-ordered have already received repayments."
LOL! Will one person please confirm that they got an actual refund from Kevin, and not through a chargeback? Just one person...anyone?...*crickets*

Exactly.

What a crock of shit.

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#7435 4 years ago

"Surely when Fox contacted Skit-B and told them to take down the material, we asked, they would have checked to see what they were entitled to do?

He replied, “There’s a very black-and-white side to that part of the story. To say that, obviously there had to be checks made, yeah that’s true. But, at the same time, to assume that there was absolutely no contact [with Fox] from the beginning to the end of this whole thing is somewhat irresponsible Because we’ve taken [the game] to so many places around the world and we’ve done Pinball News a handful of times, we do podcasts and all these little radio shows. We were not hiding… If we were trying to do something under the table, I mean I could probably do it a lot better than that. To say there was zero contact is mentally irresponsible."

"But obviously the truth has to lie somewhere in the middle. And that’s what I’m giving you now, the middle truth. We were told what we could do, but, as it more seems is, it is more like a fair use response. So this is what you can do with our IP, and those are the rules that we followed. We took that as the permission, and we continued."

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The "middle truth"?! WTF? Well, thanks for telling us all the "middle truth" there Kevin, but I think the "simple truth" would have been a lot better.

This guy is a pathological liar. And a complete idiot!

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#7436 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

LOL! Will one person please confirm that they got an actual refund from Kevin, and not through a chargeback? Just one person...anyone?...*crickets*

"Well....see.......I am not a banker guy....so I was under the impression that chargebacks were how I was supposed to refund people...I mean, uhh.....thats what someone I heard saying once said..."

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#7437 4 years ago

It was reading that part about "The refund process has begun" that made me lose the slightest bit of sympathy for Kevin. I understand how hard it is to make a pinball table and I could just about believe that his passion for the project and naivety was what kept it going, even though when it was clear that he hadn't got a snowballs chance in hell in getting the machines ready.

But reading that, knowing that 0 people have received refunds yet just makes me think that he's a pathological liar.

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#7438 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

"Kevin told us that although it is happening slowly and streadily, the refund process has begun and a number of those who pre-ordered have already received repayments."
LOL! Will one person please confirm that they got an actual refund from Kevin, and not through a chargeback? Just one person...anyone?...*crickets*

Quoted from RobT:

Exactly.
What a crock of shit.

It is clear to me personally that in Kevin's mind when he does not contest a charge back he views that as issuing a refund. Obviously that does nothing for those people who get rejected by their credit card companies and pay pal...which leads me to this...

Heaven help those people who paid by check or have been rejected for a charge back, in this article Kevin says the money is in the pay pal account still...just my guess but I'm sure on the credit card charge backs that ARE going through pay pal is charging all kinds of fees against what is in that account as well as taking money out. Kevin may well be locked out of that account now but that doesn't necessarily mean the money is safe...just my personal view.

Kevin answered very little of the concerns regarding refunds...actually didn't answer any.

#7439 4 years ago

WOW. With all the time to think it over before responding, that's the best Kevin could do? Talk about rubbing salt in the wound. To me the most telling statement is:

It’s all going to come down to what people believe at what time. You know, what information is fed to them and from what sources."
I'm pretty sure folks will be looking to sources other than Mr.K for information about anything.

That being said, here's hoping for the best outcome possible for everyone involved, even Kevin.

#7440 4 years ago
Quoted from herbertbsharp:

How about this one:
"If you remember, I said, as early as last April I said we were supposed to be hitting the line, and we got everything in order, and that was the time to pull the trigger. And that’s when the gravity of manufacturing really hit home and we drove through it, you know. And when problems arose, we stepped over them, we got through it."

Maybe he meant hitting a different kind of "line", when all the money is rolling in....

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#7441 4 years ago

just as a fwiw... with the exception of the headline, i think martin did his job on this one... he allowed kevin enough rope to hang himself multiple times, and kevin couldn't oblige enough...

as alluded to earlier, parsing this is a mess, considering all the outright lies (in many cases, he either lied "then" or is lying "now")...

i am not as generous as marcus in my conclusions though...

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#7442 4 years ago

So, it has to be safe to assume he doesn't have a lawyer? What lawyer would allow that to be publicly released? Or did Mom give it the "okay"?

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#7443 4 years ago

"I don’t understand the complaint. I don’t want to sound like I’m living under a rock or in a bubble, but I don’t know what the hell I did to anybody to make them this mad at me. It’s come to me from many people that there’s lots of speculation about who these [anonymous] people are, what they’re doing. It’s come to my attention that a fairly small collection of people – 2 or 3 people – who were in on the project at one point, and bailed for whatever reason they had, and were refunded, and that was it. I don’t know where the animosity or the need to vilify me or my project comes from. I have no clue. No idea."

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Holy f'ing sh*t, are you kidding me here??

He doesn't know what the hell he did to anybody to make them this mad at him??

Somebody help me here. I am truly at a complete loss for words, and that doesn't happen often...

#7444 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

So, it has to be safe to assume he doesn't have a lawyer? What lawyer would allow that to be publicly released?

My guess is that interview was conducted at least a week ago, maybe longer. No lawyer would allow that, those statements had to be made before Kevin lawyered up.

I did not see in the article if it said when the interview was conducted (perhaps I missed it) but I sure would like to know the exact date.

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#7445 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

So, it has to be safe to assume he doesn't have a lawyer? What lawyer would allow that to be publicly released? Or did Mom give it the "okay"?

Definitely agree completely with this. Zero chance a lawyer would ever let him do this, especially considering how many times he hangs himself with his own words.

If he is representing himself, he has a fool for a client.

#7446 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

He doesn't know what the hell he did to anybody to make them this mad at him??
Somebody help me here. I am truly at a complete loss for words, and that doesn't happen often...

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20027920

*Allegedly*

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#7447 4 years ago

He is a pathological liar. His intent of that article was to come off as incompetent and naive. The simple reason is the only other explanation would be willfull intent. His rationale is, "see I wasn't lying and trying to skirt the license. I'm so naive, I thought I had a license." What a manipulative lying scum.

#7448 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

Somebody help me here. I am truly at a complete loss for words, and that doesn't happen often...

that makes 2 of us... that's the cherry on the top, so to speak...

i can only imagine what a kick in the face that is to the numerous people who have been trying to extract blood from the stone for a long time...

#7449 4 years ago

Kevin told us that although it is happening slowly and streadily, the refund process has begun and a number of those who pre-ordered have already received repayments.

I call BS on this one!

#7450 4 years ago

From RGP:
"MrSanRamon

7/15/11

On Jul 14, 1:06 pm, Seven11 <loveyouch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have a look at the first bits of information about the upcoming
> Predator machine.
How much did obtaining the rights cost?

Robert"

Second person also wants to know although other questions were answered this one was not.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/Skit-B/rec.games.pinball/PFy3DIl-GqQ/eyPl3K_1ow4J

He has been sidestepping this question since at least 7/14/11.

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