No change from what's been announced. The paid upgrade will come later. It's still called a paid upgrade therefore it doesn't come with the game and if you want it, you will have to pay for it. Price and content has not been announced yet either.

Yes but musical tastes aside, as has been stated before, there's currently no way to edit or change sounds/music on CGC games. Either you live with it or don't buy something you dislike.

It's a remake. The music was already done 24 years ago.

David himself posted that his involvement was minimal and that he only "filled the holes" while respecting the original style. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/ccr-cactus-canyon-remake-hype-thread/page/114#post-6789911

\Hate to be the grammar police but the errors are significant in the way they change the meaning. TWEAK the rules as opposed to TWEET. And NUANCE instead of NUISANCE. Makes all the difference in the world

Since nobody has received a game with the topper your question is very premature.

However, if it’s like MMr then the cables are just long enough to connect to the boards. No chance to do what you are suggesting unless you fabricate your own extension cables.

Dude.. Really? The official response is literally 10 posts above yours.

Wish I had that problem.. Totes jelly.

What else did you set up other than CCr?

No one has said it was a topper issue. The LEs are slated for prodution after the inital run of SEs. They are also not shipping SEs at the rate they wanted to so that tells us that the parts shortage is not the topper. Or at least not JUST the topper.

These hall effect sensors have been in use in pinball for 30 years actually. Examples are TZ, STTNG, MB, etc.

In most games I've seen them used in the inlanes. Probably a physical space issue to put in mechanical switches - like on STTNG with the guns on the slings. Pretty packed underneath.

Thanks for the clarification. Yes I meant eddy sensors.

If we were in the same country I could help you out with that lol. If my Royal Edition doesn't sell locally I may bring it to Allentown.

Trying to pass off an SE for an LE???

Agree about the coin door. They should have continued what they started with the Royal edition and PC all the metal. However on their website the LE shooter housing is powdercoated. Not sure if that's a mistake or maybe something they forgot with the sample game they brought to the show?

EDIT: The-Hum beat me to it with the picture attached too!

There is no shaker in the SE.

You have to buy it first, then install, then adjust settings as required.

PPS not following through when they promise parts etc. Say it ain’t so!

Why would you turn the game off? Open the coin door to cut the coil power(game won’t ball search anymore), slide glass off, grab ball and put in the shooter lane. Install glass, close door, and go!

What's the point of answering that. If someone says "in 2 to 3 weeks" then something happens with more delays then everybody will get pissed off about being told it would be soon.

Just breath. It'll come.

This doesn’t look like an overtightened strap issue. Game was most likely dropped(while upright either on or off the pallet). May be hard for the buyer to prove he didn’t do that damage for example bringing the game downstairs on a dolly and losing control and have the game bounce the last few steps. It would cause similar damage.

Of course I am not saying this is what happened, just that it may be difficult to disprove after accepting the delivery and signing for it as being in good condition. Hope it all works out.

My Escalera was one of the best purchases I ever made. Move my games in and out of the basement by myself all the time. I have all the add-ons as well. Big wheels, big toe plate, electric forklift, pinball lift plate.

If they do have 2 lines going then maybe the second line is producing and stockpiling LEs. That would give you your ~70 games/week.

Because they have before. For the Royal Edition they stockpiled and shipped out large quantities as opposed to this way now.

I am guessing that the strapping/boxing they are doing now is slowing them down a lot as opposed to just shoving the game in a regular box. Also, looking at how they are palleting the game now it's hard to see how they could safely attach the topper box. If they don't then it's guaranteed that shippers (I'm looking at YOU FEDEX) would have a greater chance of losing/damaging the topper. What if they are expecting their shipment of regular CGC boxes soon and they are stockpiling for that reason? We have no way of knowing either way unless they release some info. It's just fun to speculate.

Hopefully by "later" you mean in an hour or 2???

Make sure the speakers are wired correctly. + on + and - on -. If they are reverse wired the speakers will be out of phase and the volume significantly lowered. The manual will have which is which for the wires and the speakers have a + sign on the correct terminal.

As gets repeated every 3-4 posts, please read the FAQ. There's a whole section on the upgrade.

Given the shipping costs/hassle now I wouldn't be surprised to hear that P1 gets all their allotment in 1 shipment. SE and LE. Richard may wait a bit longer. That's just my opinion of course. Depends on how many SEs have been ordered for Canada. If it's 5 or less then I think my prediction will prevail. IIRC P1 is only getting around 20-25 LEs.

I think it's fair IMHO. I've bought a bunch of NIB Sterns in the past few years (LEs and Prems). That doesn't give me the "right" to jump the queue. I think number matching should be made available if possible but you get it when you get it. Honestly it makes no sense to allow queue jumping since LE owners wishing to number match will buy the game either way and if they don't, someone else will. Business will not be impacted by this decision. I get the "loyalty program" aspect but the other manufacturers don't do it and business is booming anyway.

Unless CGC wants to start something like the Haggis season tickets where you commit to buy the next 5 games and are guaranteed front of the line delivery. The down side of this is you have no idea what the next games will be yet you are commited.

I spoke to a distro and the issue is more complex than just paperwork. "New" electrical appliances have to be inspected/tested for conformity. Once the model is approved for import then there is no issue. First one is always slow as they are backlogged.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/regulations-codes-standards/6859

Not sure if the LE model will count as already approved once those ship. Hope so.

I just hope the legs can be bent open a bit in my hydraulic press without cracking the powdercoat. I’ll wait for someone else to try it first lol.

Because a pinball machine is not a consumer product. It's function(making money on location) is not affected by a scratched decal.

Getting new decals and legs that won't damage them is a fair offer. Replace the defective part and the damaged part. Pinball machines are high maintenance devices and replacing a decal is certainly NOT rocket science! Your distributor should help you out if it's that difficult.

I do find it weird that folks are all jumping on the NIB bandwagon but don't know a thing about maintenance. This isn't a fridge or a tv. Go buy a NIB vending machine and then complain to the manufacturer that there's a small scratch in the paint job. See where that gets you.

It would have taken less time to check the FAQ than explain why you didn’t.

Read the faq

They did it with MMrRE. Topper controller boards were the issue. Games were built and sat until they got the missing part and then the games just flew out the door.

That mode is not and will not be on CCR, even with the additional code that will get released. This is discussed many times in the thread and probably in the FAQ too.

It really doesn’t matter all these discussions. I LOL reading all this whining/posturing from the keyboard warriors.

Reminds me of my kids with “Are we there yet?” Lol

Throwing fits and demanding updates won’t accelerate things. This is so much like MMrRE from 2020. To those who aren’t familiar go read the MMr thread. The situation/complaining is so identical it’s mind boggling. To those who want to spend on something else but worry about having money when the game is available: if you can’t afford both another temp game AND CCr when it does come out then you can’t afford it so don’t do it. Cue next tantrum.

Yes I know I’ll get all the “but it’s disrespectful and unprofessional to be silent” bullshit from the top complainers. You folks really need to take a step back and get your emotions out of it. Any manufacturer needs to sell product to make money. They want to sell ASAP. They’re not being obtuse on purpose or for kicks. And please stop with the “but I’m spending 5 figures on this blah blah blah”. Get over yourselves. We all are spending the same amount. Some of us are mature about buying an entertainment TOY. Some are not. “I want it NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!!!” Lol

If they don’t provide estimates maybe it’s because they don’t have any themselves for the missing parts.

You know that even if we got weekly updates telling us “not yet”, the bottom line doesn’t change: You can wait for your game, or you can sell your spot.

Cue the downvotes.

If I had to guess I'd say CGC is waiting for the LEs to be produced and that's what they'll submit for approval (full game with all features). The SE would then get automatic approval by being just a sub-model (no topper). Saves money by only getting 1 model analyzed and approved.

This is just my opinion based on what I read for CSA approvals.

Like this?

On my MMrRE it was in the manual bag/envelope.

Oh contrare. CGC has previously demonstrated the ability to block things through HW/FW. Remember the color upgrade for MMr?

The topper is the only difference between SE and SE+ anyway. Why would you pay an extra 1250$ AND wait all this extra time to get your game if you didnt actually want the topper lol.

40-50 IIRC

If they were able to pre-build certain parts (like cabs, PF, etc) they may be able to produce more than 50/week. We'll get a feel for production rates once they actually start shipping within the next few weeks. Pinside nerds love tracking serial numbers

I beg to differ. CGC did exactly that with the MMrRE. Built them, stored them, then added the missing parts when they received them and then shipped the games. They were coming out way more than 50/week.

Not saying it’s going to happen again, only that they have done that before. This time the missing parts may have not allowed the games to be partially built. Who knows…

The first 1000 LEs were. But not the other runs like AFM, MB and the later runs of MMr like MMrRE.

Oh hell yes lol. I think it's even less than 380.

Good thing it’s on special. Imagine how much MORE over MSRP it would be otherwise!!

That set has nothing to do with cactus canyon. It’s Lucky Luke figurines. I see Jolly Jumper (horse), and a Dalton brother.

https://www.amazon.ca/Série-figurines-collection-Plastoy-Lucky/dp/B0747XNZDL/ref=sr_1_1

My guess is PPS gets first dibs on deliveries. Other distros have to wait a bit longer.

I got to try an SE in Winnipeg last week (at the Forks). Since I had never played a real CC I figured I should try it since I have an LE on order. I do play the digital version of the original CC on Pinball Arcade occasionally.

Played only 3 games (in 2 days) on it but it was a lot of fun. Humor is good, music is fun, shots/goals are easy to understand (good for my wife). I did find it a bit easy. By the 3rd game I was 1 shot away from starting Stampede MB, with a few Barts defeated and Gold mine jackpots collected already. I can see that I'll get to high noon probably within a few days of setting it up at the house but hoping for some added complexity with the updated code later on. Will still be fun to have in my limited collection.

Wow you must not get around much. I know quite a few.

Obviously having a job and making money is important. It seemed however that you were inferring that all pinheads are greedy DBs. I can assure you that's not the case. At least in my area.

Meh. It's an exact repeat of MMr Royals. People got to the point where they were ready to storm CGC with pitchforks and flaming torches, how the lack of comms was totally unacceptable and an insult to their customer base blah blah blah. Then once deliveries started everybody left the thread to go play with their new toy. Collective memory has been reset.

I am waiting for my game too but for me it's not a race and the delay didn't upset me. I have 5 other games to play with until it gets here. Would be nice to have it for XMas though as the family get-together is at my place this year

Ummm.. Next summer IS 2023.

What's with all the closeups that show nothing? Is anyone gonna take the time to just take a pic of the playfield? We want to see those LE perks! RR Tracks, Mine cart, etc

That didn’t take long. In every new machine thread there’s always at least one that asks specific questions/pics in order to try and turn their machine into a fake LE.

This one is weird though. I really don’t get the appeal/love for the wood apron. I have one on my WOZ ECLE. Meh. I find it looks weird and bulky as opposed to sleek like a metal apron. What am I missing? Why is a slab of plywood so cool?

I've seen it more than once on Pinside

Make sure the inlane up-posts that block the ball for shootouts is flush with the pf and not slightly high or low. Adjustable from underneath.

If you mean flipper hop then that’s a normal common adjustment. Loosen all the screws of the inlane guide, apply pressure to the guide to “push” it higher than the flipper (towards top of pf), hold and re-tighten.

The only people that know what distro is next are the management dudes at CGC. Call your distributor yourself to find out when they are expecting the shipment as they should know. Mine does

If folks have issues this is typically the first place they complain about it so I guess there are no big issues so far. For the topper minigame it's already on Youtube. Been there for months. The mode is hard to get to, lasts only a few seconds, and not everybody has streaming rigs setup. My guess is that it's likely difficult to get on video.

You've already been told the topper mini-game is already on youtube and you say you've seen it. How many videos of the same thing do you need to see?? I don't get the request. YOU should film it when you get your game...

Then show us what you meant.

Here we go what?? I mean seriously.

Pretty basic math. They can make about 250 games/month and they have 1250 games to make. It'll take 5 months for everyone to get their game. What's with the damn obsession of knowing the exact day/hour/minute the game is going to arrive??? We ALL want it now but that ain't realistic is it?

Folks show up and ask the same damn question "When will I get my game". They get the only answer that can be 100% true. "You'll get it when you get it and it may take 5 months". WTF more do you want that ISN'T wild speculation???

Call your distro if you want to know. I did and I got an answer. It's probably nowhere near reality but at least they have an expectation.

jfh has been pretty polite IMHO. Yet he gets shit on every turn because he tells ppl to read the FAQ which is pretty clear with production rates and overall time it'll take. Just because you don't like the answer or the FAQ won't change reality.

FFS

What were you saying then? My apologies for misreading your comment.

It's the only way to gradually blend 2 colors without a sharp line. The order in which the colors are applied is crucial obviously.

Pretty much all 90's Wms/Bly were like that.

Spoke to the distro yesterday. It's not just Richard and his SE now. It's the LEs as well. CGC will not ship games to Canada until they get the certification approval thing. It's related to something they changed in the power supply(compared to previous games) or something to that effect.

No point incomplaining to the distributor as they can't do anything about it. They are as frustrated as all of us are.

You may not like it but in the end you do only have 2 real options. Wait for your game or cancel your order. Bitching here about it to other ppl who are as pissed off waiting doesn't do anything to make it go faster. Reminds me of my military boot camp days. You'd always get a few that would complain they are hungry, cold, and wet. As if we weren't ALL hungry, ALL cold, and ALL wet. Thanks Capt Obvious!

If you think this will put pressure on CGC get prepared for more disappointment. Asking for updates on a forum of collectors and enthusiasts also won't get you a real answer as the ppl who really know what's going on don't come here to tell us about it. Share your opinion and frustration all you want dude! This is why Pinside exists. Just don't be surprised when you don't get a a positive response to a negative comment. Common sense.

As has been said before on the other CGC club threads, all the blind threats of never buying another CGC have been made before on all the previous releases. Folks come back and buy anyway. Short memories.

You cannot "add to it" really. CGC is making a more extensive version but that will be it. You will have to pay for it and it includes some hardware. Others can't add features like on the CCC games, which is based on a different boardset.

Calm down? Really? Please show me where my post made it look like I was pissed off or excited or anything other than politely helpful?

There are a variety of folks that are here on Pinside and your question could have been related to the fact that Cactus Canyon Continued CAN be added on since it runs on custom boards.

Oh and BTW this isn't a Stern thread... There is no price jump in January. You have all the time in the world to make your mind since CGC aren't shipping right now anyway.

Or else… what?

CGC will likely remain silent. You should voice your displeasure with them instead. Doing it here has zero impact.

Edit: LMAO at the downvoters. You truly are clueless if you think Pinside runs the pinball world. Enjoy being miserable and grumpy

Doing the wrong thing also costs them nothing despite the rhetoric by some about not buying CGC again.

While being in the “I want to know” camp myself, whether they tell us what is going on or not won’t change the timeline. But yes I’d like to know too.

I’ve resigned myself to “summer 23” now actually.

Wrong. With the game being way past it’s original delivery date, you should already have that 10k ready to go if you pre-ordered. Why do ppl have such a problem with not spending money that’s set aside???? If you had the game already that money would be gone anyway. Just treat it that way.

Right back at ya dude! Go upstairs and ask your mom to make you a hot chocolate. It’ll calm you down.

Sorry it offends you that I know how to manage my personal finances.

You should still be making interest on that money that isn’t spent yet, other than the deposit.

Exactly! This is not new and no change from their prior behaviour. It’s a long established pattern at this point with CGC.

What’s shocking and surprising is that folks are still….. shocked and surprised by this.

Dude it’s the blind leading the blind here, present company included. Why ask questions to a bunch a frustrated peeps that know nothing as well.

Seems worn. Lack of clearcoat maybe? If this is the case it will get worse fast.

I do the same. 6 games. 2 subs. I use 12 and 15” subs though

LMAO at ppl like this. You are arguing your point based on your opinion. Folks here are TELLING you that it works. I also am telling you that it works as I have the same setup. The sound coming from 1 is no more muddled than coming from 2 different subs. It just gets insanely loud and hard to hear everything but not because it’s on 1 sub.

Oh and it shakes the whole damn house but that’s because I use BIG subs, not the Polk.

If the board is the same as the other remakes then yes. I’ve hooked up a headphone station to it on my MMr.

I would tend to think it’s due to the fact that Wms still exists and is still manufacturing amusement devices (slots).

I did not know that!

Agreed. However at this point the silent majority is getting fed up with the 5-6 whiny little infants throwing tantrums all the time. We all know who they are.

They should be quiet and let the adults talk. They might learn something.

Ahhhh god bless the generation of “me me me now now now” folks coming up into adulthood…. Fun times ahead.

And you constantly bitching, moaning, and complaining on this thread will do.... what?!?!?

It was the same thing 2-3 years ago in the MMrRE thread. Constant whining from you until you got your game. It gets old fast. Just as fast as JFH constantly responding to all the BS posts. You're both the same, but on opposite points of view.

BTW just because you constantly repeat the same thing doesn't make it true. Reminds me of politics - no particular side. Uggh.

Probably sooner than ours even though we are next door lol.

Coin door closed?

If yes check the wires on the coin door switch (white switch on left side near hinge).

Yes and yes

I think this is probably a prime example of why you shouldn't run 2 different machines on 1 production line. Even if "it's just a few SKUs to change". they obviously installed the wrong shooter (SE/SE+).

No. No estimate on when the upgrade will be available. It’s all in the FAQ. 1st post.

Coil solder tabs are shorting(grounding) to the flipper mech. You probably installed the coil orientation wrong when you adjusted the flippers?

First you complain OP posts too much… Now it’s not enough?

Don’t forget he got his game now. He’s probably enjoying CC and won’t be around as much, unlike us Canadian dudes who will hang out here for another 6 months while we wait.

It’s more than software. It’s an upgrade kit. People would lose their minds if CGC was building upgrade kits instead of the backlog of games buyers have been waiting for well over a year.

Soooo.. A mine that provides gold already processed into bars.. Usually that's called a bank... Or Fort Knox lol.

Not sure if this was meant as a ioke but…..

10-32 does not mean 10/32nd….

First number is screw size (diameter). In this case #10

Second number is threads per inch. In this case 32.

Now that you have your game you’ve been whining about for ever you need something else to bitch about. Didn’t take long.

The update/upgrade isn’t likely to be available before they are completely done with the CCr builds. This place would collectively lose their minds if they start offering the upgrade before they even finish shipping games that folks have paid a deposit or fully for well over a year at this point.

We should call them asstrolls.

A lot of us know EXACTLY how "obnoxious" the glass hit is. Don't assume everyone thinks like you and will hate it. Scared Stiff is the same with the critters jumping. Some of us like that THWACK.

The width of the head is the same whether it’s up or folded down…. About 29 inches.

It’s not a video mode. It’s a topper mode only.

Thanks for being upfront and honest about your thoughts, despite the probable tantrums that will get triggered for those Pinsiders with the maturity of a 10-year old. Cue the "but we should get it for free for waiting so long" whiners too.

Yes I am also still waiting for my game and it just doesn't matter. I won't enjoy it less just because it took longer to get to me lol.

Yeah sorry about pre-empting your tantrum.

But in all honesty I was thinking about the small group of Pinsiders that automatically downvote anything the OP posts. Their pettiness is mind blowing.

It's been a recurring theme. Use the search function.

Here's a quick example:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cactus-canyon-remake-club-new-sheriffs-in-town/page/236#post-7540028

I've been reading the posts in this thread since the beginning. It's been quite a long haul. It's been mentioned many times. You don't have to take my word for it, just sit down with a gallon of coffee and read the nearly 12000 posts lol.

As for the tantrum, of course it wasn't. That's why I apologized for ruining the moment where the usual suspects come here to bitch, moan, whine, and complain about how CGC sucks and the wait is unacceptable.

The options have not changed from a year ago. They can either wait longer or bail as more and more are doing apparently. I've considered bailing out of this purchase myself. Not because of the excessive wait but I'm doubting the value of this game when compared to something like FF which looks like a hella fun.

If you say so

I was editing before you replied. But saw your reply after I clicked save. I took nothing out, just expanded a bit.

Last one what? lol

CGC is only about half-way through the production queue. Pretty sure there will be over 500 other last ones after this one