London
how is this working for international customers?
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They are only stupid if they don't sell and it's clear they are going to sell out. Stern is a business that has a lot of operating capital so raising extra cash like this is a no brainer. Also it's an anniversary both of stern and batman so let's not base the entire future of their strategy on just this one machine. In my mind it shows how great pinball is as a hobby that even without seeing the machine people are willing to buy on faith - why is that? Well basically because last few machines stern put out absolutely rocked the house - yes the playfield issues are a concern but will be resolved I'm sure. If you can't afford these NIB then just wait because they come down in price. I've ordered an LE and am looking forward to it!
Quoted from someoneelse:If this goes on there will be no overseas business any more. I know round about a dozen "I'll buy any new Stern pin" guys that used to be in on just about any release. The interest has slowed down significantly since GoT and the general attitude towards BM66 is extremely negative, not nearly as mixed as in the states. I don't know anyone even remotely interested in buying it which is a first.
You need to take into account that in general people in Europe react much more sensitive to manipulative marketing strategies like artificial scarcity.
i think the above is a load of old codswallop. I know plenty of people interested, infact I'm one of them and have ordered a LE. UK dealers can't get machines quickly enough.
Neil.
apologies to my good friend from munich lol 
i don't get the issue with a limited edition or charging more for it:
http://www.apple.com/uk/apple-watch-edition/
http://zrzhub.com/ps/all-the-limited-edition-ps4-consoles/
http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/xbox-one/consoles/halo-5-guardians
http://us.udiscovermusic.com/products/allman-brothers-limited-edition-vinyl-box-set
what is the problem?
Neil.
2 weeks later
i've a theme for a pinball table. Its called "guess what Stern are doing". It has a wizard mode that when you hit it vibrates the table until it comes of its legs. Multi-ball is fired off when you lock the ball in the "We've irritated someone on Pinside Lock feature" and Double Super Jackpot is when you play higher or lower on the LCD on the price of the next Stern table. A life size Gary Stern pops out when you complete the I'd buy that for a dollar mode.
now can we get back to batman info 
My guess is that those pictures aren't the artwork but are being used as inspiration for the artwork...
Most of the people whining here aren't even getting an SLE - this place is nuts lol - If those that thought they where part of the 30 now can get out of if knowing that its 80. I've got an LE on order (and paid the deposit) if they change the numbers on that i'll be out.
Looking at Stern's behavior I'd say they are doing everything they can to bring cash in which worries me a little...
Neil.
Quoted from teekee:Yep, gotta agree with this but might just be the death of JJP. Stern has the money to pull off something risky like this but not JJP... hope he survives this!
The game play better be awesome since that's the only hope!
I don't think anyone has a clue about the financials of either of those companies.
I think the problem with JJP is that they built something huge up whilst forgetting about ball and flippers. Stern presented something that is more or less finished apart from the code. JJP looks like a good game but at a price that doesn't square up. Batman we still actually don't know how it plays.
Neil.
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Quoted from rotordave:I was told the SLEs will be shipped before Xmas.
I was kindly offered one by Stern ... I ended up declining the offer. I was all keen to bring one to NZ to share with the punters. Unfortunately $25,000+ NZ for a pinball machine is a little outside my comfort zone, so Gary says it will be passed on to the next on the list.
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I was also offered a SLE and Gary said at expo about the SLE's above.
1 week later
Quoted from J85M:Cancel your order Neil, we don't want more than one LE in England
Lol - i've promised a few a games on it to some folks to stop them whinging about the price. I think that's worth buying the machine for that alone! I think Lee has one on order also 
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Quoted from kpg:IMO, the only reason people want the $15K BM66LE right now is because they always buy the top-of-the-line Stern upon first release, no matter the theme. They just want the latest and greatest.. in a couple years, I don't think there will be big demand for a $15K price tag. That's crazy.
Anyone think people would be buying a Walking Dead SLE right now for $15,000 because it had a cool topper, side artwork, and some bling powdercoat? Really? REALLY? I don't think so. Seriously sit and think about that.. if TWD had an SLE that was $15K in 2014... and all it had was a limited 80 pin run.. and some extra bling that could be purchased on any pinball mod site for a few hundred bones to put on a $6500 Premium... would YOU pay that $15K or more still, right now in almost the year 2017. No.. FUCK no.
It's current market value of $15K is only driven by hype and the fact it's new. Like a car dealership that marks up an MSRP +$25K for "market demand" and cheap ass aftermarket parts. So impatient fools with too much money pay over sticker to be the first one on the block. Same thing will happen to these SLE's.
its worse outside the US with the exchange rate not so good. I was going for an SLE but the exchange rate moved in a way that just made it insane and a absolute loss in the future, not that concerns me (being a car nut!), but the value of it just wasn't there, thankfully my dealer made me see the sense it it too I'm looking forward to the LE though - and I think this game is going to rock.
Neil.
Quoted from woz:I wonder if it was the same guy that did the Dialed In reveal at Expo? I still feel sick thinking about that video stream...
Nah That was a JJP employee and the reason it was so bad is I kept shoeing him out of the way of my stream from expo
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