Batman 66 by Stern new info

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Batman 66 by Stern new info


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#851 1 year ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

Aren't Stern Electronics and Stern Pinball one in the same? 'Cause you made me bust out the calculator. Berzerk came out in 1980!

Nope. Stern Electronics was born out of the ashes of Chicago Coin, a pinball company that had gone bankrupt. Sam Stern and Harry Williams came out of retirement to help Gary with the company. Stern Electronics itself went belly-up during the arcade crash of the early 80's. Sam and Harry died soon afterwords. Gary putzed around for a couple of years, then started a new Pinball company with backing from Data East. That was later sold to Sega, then Gary bought the whole thing himself in 1999.

#852 1 year ago
Quoted from Manimal:

how do you guys all just 'Happen' to have these pics lying around? lol

The interwebs are your friend.

#853 1 year ago
Quoted from mrclean:

I'm happy for those that want Batman '66, but....I still want Jaws '75

Bat Snack..............

Maybe the crane could lift the shark out of the water.

#854 1 year ago
Quoted from rai:

Also what does the crane have to do with Batman, was it even in TDK movies? Is it in the TV show? I mean as prominent part of either show or movie?

Scarecrow was driving the crane in the game. It's a joke. Scarecrow's real name is Dr. Crane.

#855 1 year ago
Quoted from Air_Pinball:

Nope. Stern Electronics was born out of the ashes of Chicago Coin, a pinball company that had gone bankrupt. Sam Stern and Harry Williams came out of retirement to help Gary with the company. Stern Electronics itself went belly-up during the arcade crash of the early 80's. Sam and Harry died soon afterwords. Gary putzed around for a couple of years, then started a new Pinball company with backing from Data East. That was later sold to Sega, then Gary bought the who thing himself in 1999.

Well done. I will only add that Gary took on a partner in 2009 during very difficult times. Gary and Dave Peterson now run the company.

In my opinion it was a smart deal for both men and Pinball.

#856 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Well done. I will only add that Gary took on a partner in 2009 during very difficult times. Gary and Dave Peterson now run the company.
In my opinion it was a smart deal for both men and Pinball.

I think Dave co-owns the company. I don't believe he co-runs the company.

But I could be wrong.

#857 1 year ago
Quoted from Manimal:

Bat Snack..............
Maybe the crane could lift the shark out of the water.

Batman hanging off the crane (put the Batcopter on top) would be a nice touch.

#858 1 year ago
Quoted from Iaintnobodydork:

I could see them making the crane appear to be the bomb that Batman carried in the movie and have the chain be a lit fuse that counts done to the bomb.

I was thinking that too but that still seems like a bit of a stretch. That scene was great in the 66 movie but it seems weird that you would have to keep defusing the bomb over and over again.

Since I started my own Batman retheme I looked at a lot of potential donor games to try and find one that would integrate well with the theme and be fun to play. After we found out Stern was doing this game I looked at the Dark Knight layout and tried to figure out how to use the layout with the 66 theme.

I can't figure out how the crane mech would fit the theme. Besides the bomb, the other idea i had was that each of the crane positions would represent a different villain. So the crane ball would "point" to the current villain you are battling. That still seems a bit weak though.

Looking forward to seeing what Stern comes up with.

Any guesses on the "iconic art"? Will it be photo likenesses of the actors or hand drawn art style like the Batman 66 comic series.

#859 1 year ago

Here the LCD Crane mod in my BDK.

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#860 1 year ago

Yvonne Craig also played one of those sexy green girls in classic Star Trek. I dated a Yvonne briefly in High School. She was a hot latina. She would come over to my house after class with lingerie under her school clothes.

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#861 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinstein:

I dated a Yvonne briefly in High School. She was a hot latina. She would come over to my house after class with lingere under her school clothes.

LOL.

#862 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinstein:

Yvonne Craig also played one of those sexy green girls in classic Star Trek. I dated a Yvonne briefly in High School. She was a hot latina. She would come over to my house after class with lingere under her school clothes.

According to the definition, so did your Grandma...............

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#863 1 year ago

I think it would be pretty cool if the crane bash was modified to be the Batcopter with Batman hanging from the rope ladder and the shark attached to his leg, and bashing it would in essence be the Bat Spray Shark-Repellent. I think that would fit the theme.

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#864 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I've seen this comment many times before on Pinside and it just doesn't resonate with me. It's a pinball game created from a Hollywood fantasy movie based on a fictional character. So what if Stern added something for the imagination.
How this minor issue can distract from game play is beyond me.
Sorry Rai.

I just figured since the Scarecrow's name is Jonathan CRANE, that a literal crane was added to the game. I guess it's better than a Scarecrow bash toy, ala Wolverine/Well Walker.

#865 1 year ago
Quoted from Air_Pinball:

I think Dave co-owns the company. I don't believe he co-runs the company.
But I could be wrong.

Maybe were both wrong. I'm long overdue to make a mistake.

From Pinball News, November 2009:

"Dave Peterson <snip> is the new partner in the business and is believed to be working on a fresh business plan to improve the company's fortunes. Gary Stern remains the primary owner of the Stern Pinball and continues as its President and CEO.

#866 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinstein:

I dated a Yvonne briefly in High School. She was a hot latina. She would come over to my house after class with lingerie under her school clothes.

Pics or it didn't happen...

#867 1 year ago
Quoted from PaulCoff:

does anyone remember when Gomez was doing a lecture back in 2011 (Transformers stuff) and he showed sketches of concepts he wanted for Batman The Dark Knight pin?

Found the item I was looking for:
Gomez did a lecture at Expo 2008 regarding some concepts of the Batman playfield. Interesting stuff regarding what he had in mind at the time. Maybe some of the ideas will be implemented towards B66?

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/expo2008/index7.html

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#868 1 year ago
Quoted from rai:

lso what does the crane have to do with Batman, was it even in TDK movies? Is it in the TV show? I mean as prominent part of either show or movie?

It literally has nothing to do with the license. Gomez just wanted a crane for some reason. Scarecrow's name is Dr. Crane - that's the only possible (but nonsensical) connection.

#869 1 year ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

It literally has nothing to do with the license. Gomez just wanted a crane for some reason. Scarecrow's name is Dr. Crane - that's the only possible (but nonsensical) connection.

It is the connection. Why else is a Scarecrow action figure operating it?

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#870 1 year ago

New Batman '66 info from Gomez himself via C2C podcast:

CRANE TOY
- The Penguin will be driving it & wreaking havoc on Gotham
- Mildly modified but roughly in the same place on the playfield
- Will have recognizable behavior
- Its corresponding inserts will be in the same place as BDK

PLAYFIELD LAYOUT
- Left ramp & right ramp that cross
- Lots of the same elements on right-hand side as BDK
- Left-hand side has been redesigned
- Completely new feature on left side of game that provides 3 distinct interactive modes for the player & also acts as an additional ball lock.
- Way more shots than BDK (less "stop & go")
- Shots have a combo system now

LCD SCREEN
- Approximately the size of a medium laptop (15.6" diagonal screen) on a hinge speaker display panel
- Will play clips from the old show

ARTWORK
- Will be a combination of TV & comic art with live-action imagery
- Will be more sophisticated than what was shown on the flier
- Multiple artists working on it so you'll see some variation in illustration styles

Stern is planning to have the game playable at Expo.

Source:
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-229_86459

#871 1 year ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

It literally has nothing to do with the license. Gomez just wanted a crane for some reason.

If you go to the pinball news link above there is a link to download the mp3 of his talk regarding the design of Dark Knight. I.just listened to it over lunch.

He says he added the crane because after he added the batmobile ramp was put in he only had 6 shots instead of his desired 7 shots. To add more shots he used the crane which adds a lot of shots if you consider it can stop in multiple positions. His crane design is an evolution of what he did for dracula in monster bash and the blocker in NBA fastbreak. He also said in its original form, the crane was also a ramp that the ball could roll on. I wonder if he envisioned it to act like the iceman ramp in xmen LE?

Other interesting comments include his original ball lock design. He wanted to lock three balls (ala dead world in judge dredd) then spin them quickly during multiball to throw them out. He described that as an example of a bad idea that didnt make the cut. Other self described bad idease included having batman climb down a rope and the batmobile smashing through things. Many some of these concepts were further refined and will appear in the new game?

He also mentioned some ideas that were removed due to cost. That included a set of inline targets representing 3 joker cards and the bottom arch being backlit. Maybe we'll see those in the game?

During the Q and A someone asked him if he realized that all the modes in the game were identical. George disagreed and thought they were different from one another. He also suggested that if Lyman was there he would also agree that the modes were different from one another.

#872 1 year ago
Quoted from PinB:

New Batman '66 info from Gomez himself via C2C podcast:
CRANE TOY
- The Penguin will be driving it & wreaking havoc on Gotham
- Mildly modified but roughly in the same place on the playfield
- Will have recognizable behavior, and its corresponding inserts will be in the same place as BDK
PLAYFIELD LAYOUT
- Left ramp & right ramp that criss-cross
- Lots of the same elements on right-hand side as BDK
- Left-hand side has been redesigned
- Completely new feature on left side of game that provides 3 distinct interactive modes for the player & also acts as an additional ball lock.
- Way more shots than BDK (less "stop & go")
- Shots have a combo system now
LCD SCREEN
- Approximately the size of a medium laptop (15"x6" I think he said) on a hinge speaker display panel
- Will play clips from the old show
ARTWORK
- Will be a combination of TV & comic art with live-action imagery
- Will be more sophisticated than what was shown in the flier
Source:
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-229_86459

Looks like i need to take another lunch and listen to this. Thanks for the heads up.

#873 1 year ago
Quoted from PinB:

LCD SCREEN
- Approximately the size of a medium laptop (15"x6" I think he said) on a hinge speaker display panel

I believe he said 15.6" screen. That's is a common widescreen laptop size.

#874 1 year ago
Quoted from jeffpm:

I believe he said 15.6" screen. That's is a common widescreen laptop size.

Ah, got it. Made the correction in my original post. Thanks.

#875 1 year ago
Quoted from rai:

Also what does the crane have to do with Batman, was it even in TDK movies?

May have been cut out of the 2nd movie. Rumors persist that the move was edited after Heath Ledger died. Batman killed him in the movie ?

Since the pin was in design/production before his death, may have been too late to take it out.

LTG : )

#876 1 year ago
Quoted from guyincognito:

I will eat a live bat if this isn't just a re-skin of the 2008 game

Poor bat.

You want ketchup with that ?

LTG : )

#877 1 year ago
Quoted from PinB:

New Batman '66 info from Gomez himself via C2C podcast:
CRANE TOY
- The Penguin will be driving it & wreaking havoc on Gotham
- Mildly modified but roughly in the same place on the playfield
- Will have recognizable behavior, and its corresponding inserts will be in the same place as BDK
PLAYFIELD LAYOUT
- Left ramp & right ramp that criss-cross
- Lots of the same elements on right-hand side as BDK
- Left-hand side has been redesigned
- Completely new feature on left side of game that provides 3 distinct interactive modes for the player & also acts as an additional ball lock.
- Way more shots than BDK (less "stop & go")
- Shots have a combo system now
LCD SCREEN
- Approximately the size of a medium laptop (15.6" diagonal screen) on a hinge speaker display panel
- Will play clips from the old show
ARTWORK
- Will be a combination of TV & comic art with live-action imagery
- Will be more sophisticated than what was shown in the flier
- Multiple artists working on it
Stern is planning to have the game playable at Expo.
Source:
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-229_86459

It basically sounds like they added a ramp on the left side that crosses over to the right and replaced the coffee can with a new toy.-wonder if this is where the playfield LCD will be integrated?

I wonder if Lyman started from scratch on the code or if he used the BDK rules as a baseline and then coded in the new features and combos?

I'm excited to see it!

#878 1 year ago

Well it sounds like a re-skin lite

Screen sounds nice size.

#879 1 year ago
Quoted from jeffpm:

I believe he said 15.6" screen. That's is a common widescreen laptop size.

Is that same as Lebowski?

#880 1 year ago

Interesting comment regarding the LE number for each game. He said there would be something unique on each game regarding the LE number. This was done previoulsy via the plaque.

Wonder if this will now be something on the playfield instead of or in addition to the plaque. Would be to difficult logisticaly to incorporate the number on LCD display or have it as part of playfiled art.

My guess is a plastic or toy on the playfield will have your LE number on it. Maybe the sign outside the batcave that says "14 miles to Gotham City" will now show your LE number as the miles to Gotham City now. Something along those lines.

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#881 1 year ago

No a little smaller.

Quoted from frolic:

Is that same as Lebowski?

#882 1 year ago

So is the Penguin's last name "Crane" also?

#883 1 year ago
Quoted from guyincognito:

So is the Penguin's last name "Crane" also?

Nope. Apparently he's just driving a wrecking ball to wreck havoc.

#884 1 year ago
Quoted from guyincognito:

So is the Penguin's last name "Crane" also?

Who gives a shit? It's an awesome toy and they are keeping it in the game.

People get too caught up in dissecting every single tiny aspect of the game.

"But why is there a crane in the game?". Seriously just play it and enjoy it. Or don't.

#885 1 year ago

I thought this was an interesting post over in RGP back in 2008 when Batman the Dark Knight was released in light of the re-theme of this game. Substitute "RGP" with "Pinside" and I would say its pretty much the same attitude from Stern for Batman66 vs BDK, aside from the obvious 180 on who Stern is selling to. Also, the feeling here that Stern is saying F-U to the collectors is not new.. and their business is booming!

Chris H:

I am the friend that Derek is talking about in the other thread.
I had a long phone conversation with Gary and Joe Blackwell
yesterday. I thought this deserved it's own topic so it didn't get
lost in the other thread. First of all, let me start by saying that I
respect both Gary and Joe and I thought it was incredible of them to
take an hour out of their schedule to seek me out and call me like
they did. I will not bash them here but I will be honest about the
conversation.
I would not have posted this on my own but Derek has kind of
opened the door. Nothing that we spoke about was said to be a secret,
nor do I consider myself any kind of insider deserving of knowing a
secret, so I assume the conversation was open for further discussion
among my friends and fellow pinball enthusiasts. You are all my
friends.
The conversation was about the state of current code on several
games, the pinball market of today, the direction that pinball sales
are headed, and the philosophy of pleasing the largest pinball
demographic. The most important thing on my mind was the code
situation. As a collector and player of games, I consider myself an
average or better player when compared to people who play pinball
seriously and a great player compared to people who play a game or two
in a bar now and then. So, I have a reasonable chance of seeing most
if not all of what a game has to offer and I like a deep, challenging
ruleset.
According to Gary, aside from the code for the shaker motor,
Batman is finished at 2.0. He said everything in the game works and
the designers love it as it is. He said that Gomez thinks it is his
best game design and Lyman is happy with the code as is. We quickly
talked about Lyman's ability as a player and I said I couldn't believe
that Lyman thought it was finished being the quality player that he
is. I mentioned the skill shot not working, the mystery being
nothing, and the other obvious issues we have all discussed here.
Gary said that the only change in code from this point would be bug
fixing and that no more resources would be spent on adding code.

--SNIP-- talking about operators, euro sales etc.. --SNIP--

Gary said he doesn't read RGP. In many respects I think he looks
at us as complainers. It is a shame. How many businesses can say
they have a microcosm of their most informed customer base available
to them in real time to use as a gage, a forum, gather input, see
impact, etc. Instead of using this forum to improve product and
expand thinking it is disregarded as an abomination.
Unfortunately, it looks like Gary is determined to lead the
company into the abyss under a banner of keeping the company alive.
There was talk of redemtion games, which smacked to me of the WMS slot
division, but it was the strange view of what finished really is that
keeps ringing in my head - everything works...the crane swings, the
bridge tips, the Joker locks balls and spins = done. At one point
Gary expressed a view that when summed up in my mind was akin to
"since we are the only game in town you should learn to
I threw in a lot of personal views in here and I hope that it
didn't taint the viewpoint of the conversation I had. It was truly a
pleasure to speak to them both and, for me, was at least an attempt on
the part of Stern to address the issues we are all so upset about.
The sad part is, the views of the company are not necessarily the
views of the players and, I have to say it, isn't it all really about
the players. An expensive toy whether played in an arcade or your
basement, should be made with the player in mind. Stern has not only
forgotten that, they have made a conscious decision to look the
player in the eye and say this game is no longer made for you but for
the passerby who might drop in a few coins...maybe. At least that is
my take and it is getting more acidic all the time.
I told Gary and Joe I hope they find a way to keep making games
for years but I also hope they find a way to make the games playable.
As it stands, playability isn't their main concern. Their main
concern is does the crane swing, does the ark open, does the ship
sink. I hope the next ship they sink isn't pinball.

Chris

#886 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Unless it just makes you feel better, no need to hate on it before you've seen it

Conversely, no reason to proclaim it the as second coming before you've seen it.

Best to maintain a neutral stance and say nothing. Boring, I know ...

rd

#887 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

You guys want to make a few wagers? It's NOT basically the same game, it's "all new". How much?
Unless it just makes you feel better, no need to hate on it before you've seen it

I'll take this bet with Iceman - I have heard "its new", and not the same at all.
The crane was talked about for a long time, as one of players favorite gadgets. Gomez and Sheats are very attractive market names (Stern doesn't usually name the software guy - remember when they went to a no-name team of coders - they specifically avoiding mentioning whether Lyman was on or not, b/c without Lyman on the game, a game had an initial strike against it)
My guess is that the crane bash gadget won't even be in the same spot.

#888 1 year ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

I'll take this bet with Iceman - I have heard "its new", and not the same at all.
The crane was talked about for a long time, as one of players favorite gadgets. Gomez and Sheats are very attractive market names (Stern doesn't usually name the software guy - remember when they went to a no-name team of coders - they specifically avoiding mentioning whether Lyman was on or not, b/c without Lyman on the game, a game had an initial strike against it)
My guess is that the crane bash gadget won't even be in the same spot.

It's in the same spot. Listening to Gomez'a podcast now.

Most everything else is new.

#889 1 year ago
Quoted from rai:

Also what does the crane have to do with Batman, was it even in TDK movies? Is it in the TV show? I mean as prominent part of either show or movie?
Anyway I'm interested, but (to me) I think they should provide some more details before I decide to spring for a LE. Likely Stern wants to get a jump on the Pat Lawler pin by locking up as much pre-order money as possible. Smart buisness move, but as pins breach $9000 I'm getting more picky it's not as was when you could get a Tron or IM for $4600 it's now nearly twice the price (for the full boogie pin).

The crane is easily used as a the bat-fight from every episode. with accompanying BAM, KAPOW on the big LCD for every hit.

I like this crazy idea....
Have the little screen mounted ON the crane, showing the bat-fight scenes, with the SPLAT words on the moving gadget timed with shaker motor. C'mon, bashing an LCD mounted toy, would be cool - and who says it has to look like the TDK crane, it could look like a camera boom filming the TV series fight scenes.

#890 1 year ago
Quoted from guyincognito:

I will eat a live bat if this isn't just a re-skin of the 2008 game that no one really cares about.

Cool, are you gonna 'live-stream' this? Ozzy's got nothing on you!

#891 1 year ago
Quoted from Air_Pinball:

Most everything else is new.

Except the right side on the pf.

Which is a good thing since the entire left side of BDK is a waste.

#892 1 year ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Except the right side on the pf.
Which is a good thing since the entire left side of BDK is a waste.

Hence the word "most".

#893 1 year ago
Quoted from pinlink:

Who gives a shit? It's an awesome toy and they are keeping it in the game.
People get too caught up in dissecting every single tiny aspect of the game.
"But why is there a crane in the game?". Seriously just play it and enjoy it. Or don't.

Heck why bother even having a theme at all? Why not just put a bunch of random things in there. Maybe nuclear homer can be driving the crane and have Gandolf do the call outs.

#894 1 year ago
Quoted from rotordave:

Conversely, no reason to proclaim it the as second coming before you've seen it.
Best to maintain a neutral stance and say nothing. Boring, I know ...
rd

I'm not saying its the second coming, just should be awesomely cool!

You can be the neutral boring party RD, the mediator.

I am in serious need of some ice cold beer tonight and a long weekend. Been a busy mofo last few weeks.

Throw in a little "real football" RD and we have the makings of a great weekend.

#895 1 year ago

I've heard they're replacing the crane with a crane.

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#896 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I'm not saying its the second coming, just should be awesomely cool!
You can be the neutral boring party RD, the mediator.
I am in serious need of some ice cold beer tonight and a long weekend. Been a busy mofo last few weeks.
Throw in a little "real football" RD and we have the makings of a great weekend.

Agree on all accounts except Bourbon for me....

#897 1 year ago
Quoted from fnosm:

Heck why bother even having a theme at all? Why not just put a bunch of random things in there. Maybe nuclear homer can be driving the crane and have Gandolf do the call outs.

suppose this was a Star Wars game, and they put a crane in it. Not a Death Star, not a Millennium Falcon, not ATAT walkers, not TIE fighter they put a crane in the pin. Well heck it's a fun toy what's the big deal? I'm sure there was a crane somewhere in the building of the Death Star or maybe one of the storm trooper has the last name of Crane so that's it.

But the point is, a crane is not part of Star Wars or Batman.

#898 1 year ago

Why don't we ever see crossover games?

Batman themed playfield, toys from Star Wars and music/callouts from Areosmith.

A little something for everyone!

#899 1 year ago
Quoted from PinB:

PLAYFIELD LAYOUT
- Left ramp & right ramp that cross

Wonder how that's going to work? Where will the new ramp entry be? Current one goes Centre to right. Can't really put a new ramp entry on the right because of the crane, so must be on left.

#900 1 year ago

I just don't understand why they're retheming BDK. It's not like you can only retheme Batman with Batman. If you're retheming a game anyway, why not choose one of your better selling games that has a proven-great layout and is a fan favorite? Then you can improve it even further and only change/add things minimally to make the new pin and you're almost guaranteed to make a winner.

I guess it just must have been Gomez and Sheats' turn again.

Quoted from PinB:

PLAYFIELD LAYOUT
- Left ramp & right ramp that cross

a la Hobbit and Heighway….

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