Quoted from acedanger:

I'm confused?? Are they marketing for 60yo or 6yo???

Quoted from punkin:

Exactly. Mirco playfield and walk away warranty?
It's for that reason i'm out.

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Quoted from PanzerFreak:

It is nice when it comes to moving the games. Too bad the prices didn’t become lighter because of the cost saving changes, prices went up instead lol.
The switch to node boards has been very will received as well.

Quoted from acedanger:

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Quoted from pinballaddicted:

Looks kike I need tobeat humble breads. I thoight for sute Stern would not sell 1000LEs worldwide. How wrong was i!

Quoted from manadams:

No need to prop a theme up by crapping on another one, plenty of people would have been excited for Scooby Doo if JJP had got the license.

Quoted from gjm:

"The best Micro Playfield yet"

Quoted from Wariodolby:

Any chance in hell they got Al Pacino to do call outs?

Quoted from Wariodolby:

Looks like in 2021 slash did talk to him.
Which would fit the time frame of the making of this pin?
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Quoted from Amused_to_Death:

Very! He's been dead for 19 years.

Quoted from Sako-TRG:

Isn't Franchi on art?

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

“A game barely anyone wants, from a company no one has faith in”
(stolen from PINFO )

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

All I want to know is will it be at TPF?

Quoted from mtp78:

I am staying open minded. After TS being such a letdown,I want to see a loaded game. From the pictures of the underneath of the playfield we are seeing that. It's all about the integration......time will tell

Quoted from jwilson:

Woof. I guess I lack imagination because I don’t see how they make a pinball machine out of this theme.
Well, I hope they prove me wrong and it’s epic. But they really woofed the last few themes due to license restrictions so I’m not optimistic.

Quoted from ejg10532626:

Nice one.
I am not a JJP fan and will never own one, but this title really interests me.
Maybe they will finally make a game that will hold up on location without it's own personal tech. (I'm dreaming, I know).

Quoted from BobT:

ouch.
true.
but,
ouch.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

I spent a lot more than that! But the game has zero plays, cabinet damage, but unlike JJP when my GNR fell apart, Stern are sorting it out.
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Quoted from NeilMcRae:

He learned it all from you romulusx
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Quoted from NeilMcRae:

who has The Godfather as their grail theme?

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Relax bro. Everybody here thinks their shit don't stink, even after eating a giant tub of Beefaroni.
Also, Stern rules! My Zep LE kicks ass and is way better than GNR.
Which thread am I in again?

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

people like superheroes! myself included

Quoted from Dr-pin:

I hope you right. Eric is a great designer and they need a comeback after ts.

Quoted from NightTrain:

You didn’t play GNR?

Quoted from insight75:

I love my GNR too. Sorry to disappoint Nighttrain (which is a GNR song)

Quoted from cybevenom:

And with Godfather soon to be an Original Gangster.

Quoted from freddy:

But there is a super fuck’in skill shot!

Quoted from phoenixpin:

Creo que solo será la primera película, pero incluirá video.

Quoted from melappels:

I dont think they make standard anymore.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Marlon Brando was unavailable, so they got Marlon Wayans for callouts.

Quoted from VGC1612:

Meh im gonna stick with a Kingpin remake

Quoted from BradLinden:

Really like the "stained glass" look of the center inserts, very cool art choice. And the gaudy gold accents on the CE armor are amazing. Regardless of whether you think they're "tasteful", they look cool and that sort of over-the-top accent is what Bond 60 needed if it wanted to appear extra special and worthy of a crazy price.

Quoted from acedanger:

IMO the design system they built surrounding the IP/theme doesn't gel well w/ the over-all films feels incohesive. To my lens it looks too cartoony & tonally doesn't capture the feel. Looks pretty; but that's about it.

Quoted from domvertorix:

That was a very impressive reveal video. Having the player begin the game in street clothes and end in a tux has such a '90s video game commercial feel on some level. Well done.

Quoted from Aurich:

I think it's gorgeous. Jesper Abels and Christopher Franchi did a fantastic job bringing something different to the table, really atmospheric and moody, but also excellently realized on a technical level. Hats off to them.
The CE is gaudy to the point of being tacky, I think it looks utterly ridiculous, but these games are way overpriced anyways, save your money and get the classy looking one with a shooter rod that won't hurt your hand and legs that won't rip your jeans.
I am never spending even $12k on a pinball, JJP has zero chance of getting me as a customer, but I'll flip it given the chance and that's the model I'd buy if I was feeling stupid about spending cash.
I just don't know how to feel about that right habitrail. It's interesting, but kind of awkward too. Maybe if it wasn't just arrow straight? I guess that's to keep the ball speed up so it can hit the inlane target on release but it looks weird. Different is good though, so I'm not mad. Just gotta see how it feels in person.
There are going to be a thousand posts about how Eric is ripping off Keith Elwin. It's a pop bumper. It's okay. Keith borrows from games too, it's how pinball works. I'm glad to see interesting pop designs flourishing, a single pop with ball paths around it is a good thing to me.
Overall I'm very pleasantly surprised, because after the shit show that was the Wonka art package just being a straight slot machine copy paste I was worried that's what we'd get here too, another slot machine plop. Instead this is something with a lot of love poured into it.

Quoted from jyeakley:

What is interesting about this whole thing to me is that there are no clips or callouts on the teaser. The design looks good, but to me the callouts, clips, and code will be what makes it or breaks it. At this point you don't know whether you are buying a "G Rated" Godfather machine or the OG "R Rated" version. Theme integration is key and with their prior track record, this has me worried - especially since they didn't highlight any of it in the video...

Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

Scooby Doo might object to that and so will I.

Quoted from Faust:

its crazy to see how the initial critisism turned into big FOMO ordering. haha
As said above: the trailer shows nothing of the screen or godfather integration into the gameplay: who says there is full movies integration like with the hobbit? If not, it could be a generic mafia theme. Not saying that’s not cool but I really need to see more than some vague playfield pics to tell if this is a great pinball.

Quoted from Yesh23:

Does anyone know where I can get some godfather cake toppers at?

Quoted from cscmtp:

I wonder if this will make me want to play more than once on location. Can't say the same about the last 2 or 3 pins they have put out. They really need to turn a corner and make their pins fun to shoot, not just pretty to look at.

Quoted from HighProtein:

They got your money,
now they have your time...
Maybe in this lifetime?

Quoted from Noma2017:

Nice try. White wood and layout was complete with release of GNR which was in 2020. You are basically saying that when Godzilla was released in 2021, Eric scrapped or heavily modified his game to ripoff Godzilla.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

You say all of that yet bought a Halloween…

Quoted from insight75:

I wonder when these puppies will ship and which ones.... Usually the CEs come after a run of the LEs right?

Quoted from Gryszzz:

Does the machine come with a tech?

Quoted from Alby87:

As a Sicilian, I recognize that the movies are great work of art, but I really don't like the quick association between Mafia and Sicily than these movie helped make. I blush in shame when I see a lot of souvenirs with the godfather logo or Marlon Brando image sold in wonderful location like Taormina, Catania, Mount Etna or Eolian Islands. I spent a lot of summer holidays near the town of Savoca, known for scenes from the Godfather 2, and I recognize it in the "Multipalla Siciliana". I also recognize a Sicilian map with the province division, that have Palermo, Messina and Catania with numbers on it. I don't know how those will be used in the rules, I'm interested.
I really hope that after 50 years, it is possible to have a faithful representation of my land, both of the movie and the real thing. Something that doesn't scare people about it (I've really talked to a guy that was afraid of Sicily thinking they can be easily killed in a plain day Mafia gunfight in a center of a city. This is REALLY thinking like I'm afraid to go to USA because there could be some natives that would like to get my scalp. Just to say).

Quoted from DCfoodfreak:

Todays world thinks of Sicily for great dining in Polermo and the ferry to Lampedusa for the best beach.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Ball path wise there’s a lot there but larger items that actually interact with the ball? Not many. There’s the spinning disk below the moving gangster but that’s it, the moving ramp maybe another.
There’s really no big wow mech that interacts with the ball in Godfather. Love or hate the game there’s no mech / toy equivalent to the jump ramp in Toy Story in Godfather. That game also has a large character pop up mech, larger spinning disk, and a physical kickback. Wonka has the gobstopper, magnets under the playfield, kickback, and the backboard Wonkavator ball lock. Dialed In has the moving mechanic, magnets under the playfield, and the trap door. Pirates has the moving ship, spinning disk, and chest ball lock.
Items like those described above are not in this game. The spinning disk in Godfather traps the ball into one tiny area versus affecting more of the gameplay. Now what is there are a ton of divertors and ball paths which is great to see. There’s also a bunch of other really neat visual elements (the moving gangsters on the playfield and topper). Combine all that with the unique light shows and rules and Godfather is going to be one hell of a fun pin.
This game looks awesome but for now I’m thinking my next pinball purchase will be a Godzilla Premium. Toys and mech wise that game is tough to beat. Also, the code support situation has been disappointing at JJP as of late. I can’t see dropping another $12k - $15k on another JJP title when code on another JJP game I already bought, GNR, is in desperate need of a massive update.

Quoted from snaroff:

I sold my GNR because of the lack of love the code received...I was running Beta code the whole time. The only other JJP I've owned was DILE, and I was happy with the code polish.
Since you have voted with your wallet, you have every right to be critical. Considering the resource constraints @ JJP (with compared with Stern), I wouldn't expect things to change.

Quoted from snaroff:

Plug? More like stating a fact, dude.

Quoted from iceman44:

That’s just total BS

Quoted from Zora:

I noticed in a detailed picture that the posts on the playfield are no longer on the colour, but on blank wood like Stern does in the latest games. JJP seems to learn from the playfield issues in GNR. That should give hope that the playfileds will not have similar issues.

Quoted from acedanger:

I wish Zen Studios Pinball would translate some of their virtual tables into real ones I could see most of them being doable!! Obviously minus the cheesy animations.

Quoted from acedanger:

They do some really innovative stuff I feel some of these digital tables could translate into real world machines. Look up some of their tables. If you like it cool if you don't cool

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

I got a later GnR LE run and the playfield is perfect...No worries

Quoted from TheLaw:

The art is just decent; but I'm not a fan if the phtotshop look.

Quoted from reffob:

https://www.facebook.com/1580029086/videos/230830352692891/

Quoted from reffob:

For those without Facebook I uploaded it to YouTube. All credit goes to Mike GAP Once he puts it on YouTube I'll take mine down.

Quoted from Pinfidel:

I think that's supposed to be Bobby DeNiro as young Vito Corleone.
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Quoted from delt31:

So it took twice as long as Toy Story CE and you can’t give that game away. Let’s continue creating fake fomo for another JJP game.
It’s 15k and they made a thousand. There will be no issue getting one and spoiler alert - you’ll get it lower than msrp + tax ; )
I had two distributors contact me already on this game looking to unload. Don’t fall for it guys. If you just don’t care about losing money like some people here - sure! Go for it. But don’t feel pressured to buy now due to fake fomo.

Quoted from PtownPin:

Well he's not wrong....the only time a JJP CE game actually sold out quickly was GNR ($12.5K / 500)....1000 units at $15K a pop....almost zero chance this game sold out quickly (if ever)

Quoted from Insanity199:

Uh oh, SLAMT1LT's ears are probably ringing right now...

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

You can't install incandescent lights. These new pins don't have insert sockets like the old days. It's all surface mounted RGB LED bulbs and RGB LED strips galore. You'll have to take it up with the programmers.
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Quoted from benheck:

It's cool that JJp is getting games out at a consistent pace now!

Quoted from cooked71:

But normally there's variation in different modes/multiball etc. At least in modern games. This had literally nothing else except the meandering AI generated whimiscal Wonka carnival poker machine stuff. What happened to the theme song? Even the slash version. Did I miss that?

Quoted from Zablon:

Can you expand on that?

Quoted from sevenrites:

Several people who played it said that in one way or another now, even Karl D.

Quoted from sevenrites:

Maybe because it takes less effort to complain than it does to make the change. Plus they can’t stomach the thought of having to swallow pride, admit they were wrong and acknowledge their complaints were without merit.

Quoted from Wariodolby:

I’ve already rearranged all 26 of my pins so Godfather is the first pin I see when I go into the game room!

Quoted from Doctor6:

I'm saying that it isn't all sunshine and lollipops. It's okay to hear an oppositions view as to why they have that opinion instead of just saying "they're wrong for how they feel." Be better than that.

Quoted from Laithan:

Some gameplay video dropped today.
Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't every single SS pinball with mball have the ability to adjust the difficulty? Isn't there really no way to fully understand the frequency concerns of mball until we can get a feel for what adjustments are available for it?

Quoted from iceman44:

That figures. F ing has been bitch!

Quoted from Capn12:

I wish more insight into the licensing of the IP was shared, like this. Thanks Keith! I find this type of thing to be very interesting.

Quoted from musketd:

I just want to put my two cents in here being a former JJP collectors edition owner and was let down by them on it unfortunately; and now they may have won back a second chance with me on this game, because it truly looks like ERIC’s MASTERPIECE. Looks like it is one hell of a shooter and some great flow for a JJP along with the improved flippers and the improved back glass lighting as well. Thank you for taking steps forward and listening to your customer base

Quoted from BasementFacts:

Is someone going to mod/make a new "Furious Floyd" sculpt? It's literally the only thing holding me back. The cartoonish look does not fit the rest of the theme at all. Bizarre choice.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Yes, you are right, the pricing is keeping many away from this good looking game. Was really hoping this layout would be good however. Did anyone else notice during Karl’s stream that he was shooting brick after brick, with ball going SDTM instead of back to flippers? Did you also noticed balls not making it up to the upper 1/3 PF and just dropping back down SDTM? Karl is a top player too, so it wasn’t him. There are a lot of tight shots, so maybe that has something to do with it. But the game sure looks stellar.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Yes, you are right, the pricing is keeping many away from this good looking game. Was really hoping this layout would be good however. Did anyone else notice during Karl’s stream that he was shooting brick after brick, with ball going SDTM instead of back to flippers? Did you also noticed balls not making it up to the upper 1/3 PF and just dropping back down SDTM? Karl is a top player too, so it wasn’t him. There are a lot of tight shots, so maybe that has something to do with it. But the game sure looks stellar.

Quoted from iceman44:

Group #1. Sock puppet. Lol

Quoted from Beechwood:

60,000 quarters and it's paid for! (Not including tax and shipping)
I would hope dollars are being used in today's market!

Quoted from Aurich:

This would have been better as Scarface, the sculpt in the middle could be Tony instead of a cartoon gangster and he could shout "say hello to my little friend!" and spray the playfield when you start multiball. Scarface posters were so popular when I was younger, my generation would eat it up.
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Quoted from Thunderbird:

Paid JJP gatekeeper, you never give up…

Quoted from Thunderbird:

No he doesn’t have anything better to do, except troll JJP threads to make sure his stock holdings don’t go down. The number one broken record in this forum. Can’t stand any critical critic about anything JJP does. That’s what this forum is all about, critiquing artwork and designs.

Quoted from delt31:

Played this game for more than 4 hours. Thrilled to support #heliconbrewery and to tip my server well b/c remember fellas, if you’re in a position to think about buying a toy for 15k, you take care of the people serving you. And shout out to hupchallenge who told me he streams and the kid can play pinball.
OK here we go.
Let me just mention upfront the thing that impressed me the most by this game - the flipper feel. THANK GOD - JJP, you did it. I was told TS4 started it but after playing that game…..maybe? Wasn’t conclusive. This game - no doubt. Everyone agreed that I played with. So JJP has finally addressed one of the biggest problems. I would love to retro fit this in my Wonka btw. But hey - most important problem fixed b/c they always pack the game more than stern and code is deep so nothing else to worry about right? Well maybe…….no.
Up front disclaimer: This is not for CE owners who are reading this and just getting triggered to defend the choice they made. This is not meant for the iceman44’s of the world also. You know - the ones who don’t care about cost, they just want the game. But I will also say that I have 15k ready to go and if I were to spend it today, I’m ready. I only mention that b/c I can easily spend this money if worth it. I also LOVE godfather. I’m not some guy living in the Midwest who has heard about GF b/c of the internet or thinks Olive Garden is good Italian. I know this movie. I love this movie.
This game is not Godfather - after 4 hrs, it’s not even close. And for Eric to say everything from GF that was significant was injected into this game is an absolute lie. Just like when those two from Flippin N Out (or sorry, SDTM!) say that shots are the new toys, they are being dishonest. But more on those dreamboats later.
So positives:
- Flippers - thank you JJP. Feel Great. Much closer to stern and kill my wonka’s.
- Shots - 29 paths so what is there not to like? Actually……well, more on that later but this is really about the initial layout. I love the godzilla bumper and the shots in general as they do feel fresh. Although there is a major SDTM shot….
- the assets from the GF, as limited as they are, are implemented well. More on this later.
- build quality…..good. I was playing with a Scooby next to me and although I think spooky is making progress, JJPs stand out. Nice touch with the translite lights around the entire thing. RIP lermods mod for this. You taught them well!
- Challenge - this game is hard. SDTM shot unless you hold that left flipper top up - which is annoying. But it’s hard and I don’t mind that. I rather a shorter player than long.
- Interrogation video clip is awesome. Same with game over, Match and extra ball.
“Areas of focus”
Major takeaway…….and I felt the same on stream. THIS IS NOT GODFATHER. I can’t make this anymore clear. Shame on JJP for taking the licensor for a ride and shame on Erik for saying all the key scenes are in this game. It’s not even close. I literally counted…….prob less than 1 min of video in total and we made it fairly far in the game. If you want to double that sure - but then you would be crazy and it still would be 2 min. What is going on Keith and Eric? I know Meryl doesn’t want Fredo but did she always say 7 second transition clips at most?
NO TOYS.
This is the most Barron JJP yet. I thought I was losing my mind after playing this for almost 4 hours. How could this feel EVEN LESS than Toy Story 4? No, it couldn’t be. First impression when I came up to the game was wow, this is the most barren game from JJP ever. And I’m not a newb. I’m someone who knows wtf is going on in this hobby. My WOZ and other games speak for that. I know what is packed. So I went over to TS4 and I was pissed. I HATE TS4 but GD - that game has more in it than GF. Proof? Jump ramp, spinning circle, toy that pops up. Garbage right for 15k CE? Well GF? A toy that spins. NOT interactive, doesn’t do anything besides look terrible in a GF game b/c it’s cartoonish and is SO out of place. Like comical b/c the rest of package has nothing in line with this sculp. But wait - you have that GF sculp right? Well it does NOTHING. Literally nothing and the lack of arms and completely different style to the toy with arms next to it, the contrast is really obvious.
And guys - diverters? Here’s my feedback on these after playing. Sure it might put the ball in 29 diff places but what’s important is what am I shooting? NOT what is coming back at me b/c that isn’t tactical. Half the time I couldn’t see where the ball was coming from but most importantly, it wasn’t better b/c of it. It certainly wasn’t a toy. Special plug to my friends at SDTM. After playing this game, I want to call out what a JOKE it now is as they are distributors. Greg and Zach - you have my cell, you texted me earlier asking to understand more. I responded - let’s do it live for pinside! Constructive as always ; )
Call Outs - I’ll sew you up!
Look, if you think these are great call outs, then you need to check into a mental institution b/c you’re crazy and have terrible taste. yes - I’ll just say it. These call outs are borderline offensive to an Italian American like myself. It’s like they found some guys in Indiana to run through some terrible dialogue while they’re eating their dominos in the most over the top dialogue you have ever heard. Of 10 lines you’ll hear, 2 are OK, 4 are terrible and 4 are so bad, you think about turning them off. Or you’re deaf.
MBs.
Oh Keith - why does it feel like I’m getting MBs for no reason? Had the same feeling with pirates and now with GF, mbs start for who knows why. And then when one starts, another one starts quickly after. And then your score increases 10000x which leads me to feel like the only way to score big is MB and I hate that. Keith - remember Addams family - you hit that chair to start MB. How did that feel? Did the sound and light package also spice up what was something you deserved and the light show really gave you something like you never saw again in the game? That’s what MB is. Keith. Listen. Please.
Code:
Godfather of the Caribbean. Damn. Worst part about POTC (and that game is amazing) - the code. MBs feel generic. Same opening screens. No tie in to the movies (with clips, mode shots, etc) and just feel out of place. But good news - they overlap!!! Sweet!
Light Show:
Keep this short. It’s not as bad as the first clip we all saw but it’s bad. Over the top, movie setting killer. See my pics below - nice TnA color. JJP - how does no one raise their hand and say this is just not the godfather when you all sit around eating dinner…….at Olive Garden?
Conclusion:
I can spend 15k tomorrow and have this game. No worries….and the same for many here. Some of these folks are reading this right now, nodding their heads while others reading this, never posted before and never will are also agreeing. Listen - we deserve BETTER. Stop giving these companies money for a product that is worse than before. Especially when that product was twice less. This is not opinion. Anyone that says GF is worth 15k is lying to themselves. You and I both know that. I’m not going to reiterate my thoughts here b/c up above - you how I feel. Many positives but much more negatives. But PLEASE try the game yourself and report back.
On a side note - I played Scooby as well. Spooky is def beginning to build a nicer product. Halloween imo was gorgeous but Scooby as a wide, if you like the theme - gorgeous. Gamplay? Incredibly boring. They said let’s go back to normal b/c we were too hard before. Well, they went WAY too much to the easy side. Game is super easy but the worst part is the upper. SUPER slow. So I don’t know. It’s 10k and it looks gorgeous. Gameplay not good but clips and sounds that are MUCH better implemented. You can’t go AS wrong with this one but still - if you don’t need it now, wait a year and save 1k+
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Quoted from Aurich:

Probably not!
On the other hand you remember what happened when they posted that first Hobbit playfield. They do pay attention. Maybe not to my lone voice, not trying to puff myself up, but if enough of us are talking about things you never know how you might influence the refs.
Regardless, I'm not trying to campaign for change at JJP. Just trying to discuss what makes good pinball or not with people because I think it's interesting. Never know who's reading.
When I type I'm also thinking out loud, and I appreciate people responding or bringing up other examples, helps frame my own thinking. Who knows, maybe one day I will make that game for people to opine on.
Cheers Ice!

Quoted from Zablon:

never owned a JJP, but I thought they had blutooth since Dialed In?

Quoted from iceman44:

Maybe JJP will hire you Aurich.
Great ideas.

Quoted from Aurich:

I don't think you'd like it.

Quoted from PinMonk:

My *guess* is it has to do with their board revision debuted with TS4, plus additional code revision to work with it since the board's TS4 debut. But it's only a guess. I hope to know more once I have GF in house soon.

Quoted from kciaccio:

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Quoted from jwilson:

It’s called Alien.

Quoted from Blackice:

GF CE probably best looking pin of all time.