F You Weir and your NIB flipping!

Quoted from underlord:
Eventually this will decrease and folks'll be stuck with pins they can't sell. That alone is worth it. I'd love to see a blow out sale with some idiot stuck with 6 GZLE's. LOL. Harder to sit on than 6 PS5's.

I feel like this is already happening. Nobody is paying the scalper, even for as hot a game as GZ is. The price is dropping and people are a little ticked at scalpers.
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#1002 2 years ago

JAM

NPO

Pinside member

12y 133K 7,656 3 17

Quoted from spandol:
I feel like this is already happening. Nobody is paying the scalper, even for as hot a game as GZ is. The price is dropping and people are a little ticked at scalpers.
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Yeah....

We'll see once the unboxing videos start. Sure FOMO won't creep back in

#1003 2 years ago

SPP

spandol

Pinside+ Addict

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/121627

Quoted from NPO:
Yeah....
We'll see once the unboxing videos start. Sure FOMO won't creep back in

Anything is possible, but we had a stream that made people's jaws hit the floor, and that didn't make people pay 14k. I certainly wouldn't.

#1004 2 years ago

PWJ

Blindseer

Quasars

8y 43,550 285 36 11

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
I’ll admit we are kind of talking about different things.
God forbid stern makes a game with gold rails any time over the next 10 years. It’ll be “Beatles parts lying around.”

Joe K did say they still have 300 left to build

#1005 2 years ago

SSS

Reality_Studio

Pinside member

Thousand Oaks, CA

8y 71,850 1,607 1

Quoted from spandol:
I feel like this is already happening. Nobody is paying the scalper, even for as hot a game as GZ is. The price is dropping and people are a little ticked at scalpers.

Truth be told, Pinside is the last place you'd want to sell newer games. I sold lots of games and 99% of the time I'd get severely lowballed here so I'd end the listing here and just sell them elsewhere for significantly more. Heck I would get more from distributers themselves wanting to buy back games than I'd ever get offered here. So the fact that listings are being terminated as unsold here doesn't at all mean they aren't getting that price or more elsewhere.

#1006 2 years ago

KIM

Mr68

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Boulder, CO

12y 150K 8,661

OP
Quoted from WeirPinball:
1000th FU post! FU Pinside! - list your FUs below!

As the news has now sunk in a bit, my sense is that some people may have changed their FU to F Me or both.

Maybe add a poll?

#1007 2 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Crazy Levi's Pinball

New York, NY

10y 148K 33,584

All I know is the guy who said stern was pushing him out of the hobby with their cruel price increases is still turboposting here, so I’d guess at least one guy has joined the F ME club.

#1008 2 years ago

JSW

WeirPinball

Pinside+ Addict

Middletown, OH

11y 106K 5,873 12 4

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
All I know is the guy who said stern was pushing him out of the hobby with their cruel price increases is still turboposting here, so I’d guess at least one guy has joined the F ME club.

Based on post numbers there is only 1 turboposter here...

#1009 2 years ago

BAD

Spiderpin

Pinside+ Addict

6y 107K 2,706

Looks like I gained 10 pounds before Thanksgiving. FU Scales

#1010 2 years ago

TMB

Roostking

Pinside+ Addict

11y 106K 8,567 2

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
so I’d guess at least one guy has joined the F ME club.

Ok that was good!

#1011 2 years ago

DIE

underlord

Pinside+ Addict

14y 133K 9,047 49

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
The bubble will burst.
And we are all just sitting around licking our chops waiting for that magic moment!

That’s an epiphany! Never heard that. Very inciting.

Any…day…now…

#1012 2 years ago

DIE

underlord

Pinside+ Addict

14y 133K 9,047 49

OP
Quoted from WeirPinball:
Based on post numbers there is only 1 turboposter here...

Only one guy but I’m doing my best! GZUS!

Slave driver.

#1013 2 years ago

???

bane

Pinside member

9y 68,300 348

Not sure which is more tedious: the price bubble threads, or those that can’t stop responding to them.

#1014 2 years ago

TBM

Zablon

Pinside member

Kellogg, IA

9y 103K 10,587 11

Quoted from SLAMT1LT:
Unfortunately, this hobby has now attracted the low-life profiteers, who sweep up as many LEs as they can, then sell them to make an easy few thousands bucks.
And the really, really sad thing is....people will gladly pay these inflated prices, so the profiteers are here to stay; until the big pinball crash...which is coming.
I still can't get a PS5 because of these low-life's....but I'm not stupid enough to pay over RRP to get one. I can wait 2 or 3 years no problem.
The only way to eliminate these people from this hobby is to sting them hard...don't buy what they're selling, leave them with expensive stock. They'll soon scutter back to the trash pile where they came.

I think there are steps some companies could take to lessen some of the buy ups. Like for pinball machines specifically, no transfers, must be shipped to the same name and address that ordered, things of that nature. Isn't going to stop all of it, but would slow some of it down. Of course, they have little incentive to do this because they WANT to sell out.

#1015 2 years ago

BRG

IdahoRealtor

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Eagle, ID

13y 137K 6,778 11 10

Quoted from spandol:
I feel like this is already happening. Nobody is paying the scalper, even for as hot a game as GZ is. The price is dropping and people are a little ticked at scalpers.
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Man. Look at all those scumbag flippers.

#1016 2 years ago

/M\

starfighter

Inactive member

12y 112K 3,308

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
The “parts lying around” theory is one of my favorite in all of pinball.
These manufacturers just have a pile of “parts lying around” and this affects all of their future marketing and production decisions!

Obviously you've never heard of the McRib warehouses.

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#1017 2 years ago

KAM

kvan99

Pinside member

12y 97,050 6,032 10

OP
Quoted from WeirPinball:
Based on post numbers there is only 1 turboposter here...

Zing...

#1018 2 years ago

NDE

Spyderturbo007

Pinside member

9y 108K 5,648

OP
Quoted from WeirPinball:
9 Godzilla LEs in the classifieds if anyone is looking - starting at 13K - keep fueling the fire!
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at this rate 10K by Christmas sounds great!

So essentially Stern is leaving $2.5 million on the table by selling the LEs at $10,500 as opposed to $13,000 they appear to be being sold at by the flippers.

How long before Stern says "Hey, let's just increase our price to $13,000 and pocket the $2.5 million". I hate price increases as much as the next person, but they'd be stupid not to keep raising prices.

#1019 2 years ago

NDE

Spyderturbo007

Pinside member

9y 108K 5,648

OP
Quoted from WeirPinball:
Based on post numbers there is only 1 turboposter here...

You spelled Troll wrong.

#1020 2 years ago

KAM

kvan99

Pinside member

12y 97,050 6,032 10

Quoted from Spyderturbo007:
So essentially Stern is leaving $2.5 million on the table by selling the LEs at $10,500 as opposed to $13,000 they appear to be being sold at by the flippers.
How long before Stern says "Hey, let's just increase our price to $13,000 and pocket the $2.5 million". I hate price increases as much as the next person, but they'd be stupid not to keep raising prices.

There is an LE for $12k

#1021 2 years ago

WOZ

PanzerFreak

Pinside+ Frequent

When you now hear the prices of new Stern pinball machines (apply to JJP as well).

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#1022 2 years ago

JCW

LOTR_breath

Pinside member

Fultondale, AL

11y 125K 5,680 9 101

If Stern charged 13K for the LE's, then the flippers would just ask 15K.

#1023 2 years ago

SPP

spandol

Pinside+ Addict

Quoted from LOTR_breath:
If Stern charged 13K for the LE's, then the flippers would just ask 15K.

But no one is buying the flipped ones in the market for 13k. Is that just because they are being flipped? To me 13k is just an insane price to pay, especially when a premium with everything in it is 4k cheaper.

#1024 2 years ago

PJF

rai

Pinside member

20y 169K 18,815 34

Quoted from spandol:
But no one is buying the flipped ones in the market for 13k. Is that just because they are being flipped? To me 13k is just an insane price to pay, especially when a premium with everything in it is 4k cheaper.

Yes the higher number 1000 instead of 700 and the higher entry price put the flippers in a worse position. It's not as rare as Elvira LE for example so a lot of the people who really wanted one got one. So less people to flip to also the MSRP is already inflated so less room to inflate it even more.

#1025 2 years ago

DAV

DaveH

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Boston, MA

11y 121K 7,881 21 13

F you Stern and your darn videos! I just watched the video for the Godzilla Pro (I'm a Pro kind of guy), and I want one. The Pro didn't have all that crap to get in the way. I grew up on Creature Double Feature, and this game is right in my wheel house. Of course I'm sure my knees will buckle once they start talking about taxes and shipping, but I'm looking into getting one anyway.

#1026 2 years ago

SPP

spandol

Pinside+ Addict

Quoted from DaveH:
F you Stern and your darn videos! I just watched the video for the Godzilla Pro (I'm a Pro kind of guy), and I want one. The Pro didn't have all that crap to get in the way. I grew up on Creature Double Feature, and this game is right in my wheel house. Of course I'm sure my knees will buckle once they start talking about taxes and shipping, but I'm looking into getting one anyway.

What video did you watch? A stream?

Edit: Never mind, I see a Stern video was released.

#1027 2 years ago

WLC

BMore-Pinball

Pinside member

Quoted from spandol:
But no one is buying the flipped ones in the market for 13k. Is that just because they are being flipped? To me 13k is just an insane price to pay, especially when a premium with everything in it is 4k cheaper.

not me, but some people need to feel special

#1028 2 years ago

KOS

Kkoss24

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4y 128K 7,553 4 25

Time to cash out !!! Run for your lives !!!

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#1029 2 years ago

WOZ

PanzerFreak

Pinside+ Frequent

JJP just raised GNR LE prices to $11k! Insane but I'm sure they believe their products are worth more then a Stern LE at $10,500. These recent prices increases are insane but hey if you bought at the lower price points you just made thousands! lol.

#1030 2 years ago

Skyemont

Pinside+ Frequent

12y 125K 5,974

Quoted from PanzerFreak:
JJP just raised GNR LE prices to $11k! Insane but I'm sure they believe their products are worth more then a Stern LE at $10,500. These recent prices increases are insane but hey if you bought at the lower price points you just made thousands! lol.

11k for a LE?

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#1031 2 years ago

WOZ

PanzerFreak

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from Skyemont:
11k for a LE?

Yup, reported by Kaneda.

#1032 2 years ago

DAD

NashtyFunk

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Keller, TX

3y 81,550 613 11 34

I’d much rather have a Stern Godzilla LE for $11k than a GnR for $11k.
Sure that’s personal preference, but I’m not sure Toy Story LEs are going to be flying at $11k, especially with a 1 year wait to get them.

#1033 2 years ago

WOZ

PanzerFreak

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from NashtyFunk:
I’d much rather have a Stern Godzilla LE for $11k than a GnR for $11k.
Sure that’s personal preference, but I’m not sure Toy Story LEs are going to be flying at $11k, especially with a 1 year wait to get them.

These new prices are nuts. I wouldn't want either at the price, both are insane at $10,500 and $11k lol. I feel like I got a deal a couple months back with a NIB July build GNR LE for $9,500 which at the time seemed like an insane amount of money to spend on a pin.

#1034 2 years ago

???

greeneye

Pinside member

Neabsco, VA

5y 55,550 324 3 7

Can people ever state their opinion without interjecting a pin they have
“OMG 10500 is insane who would ever pay that? Glad I got one for 9500”

LMAO

#1035 2 years ago

ERW

chuckwurt

Pincinnati

10y 193K 31,366 16 13

I think mushrooms are gross. I own Big Game.

Sorry. I tried.

#1036 2 years ago

TMB

Roostking

Pinside+ Addict

11y 106K 8,567 2

Quoted from greeneye:
Can people ever state their opinion without interjecting a pin they have
“OMG 10500 is insane who would ever pay that? Glad I got one for 9500”
LMAO

Im DONE with NIB purchases..

Right after I get my Halloween...

#1037 2 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Crazy Levi's Pinball

New York, NY

10y 148K 33,584

I mean…JJp announced a new run of $11k wonka LEs last week so kinda makes sense that’s their standard LE price now, right?

#1038 2 years ago

GAB

pinnyheadhead

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Dunwoody, GA

11y 119K 5,042 8 40

Wonder what price CCC will end up at?

#1039 2 years ago

GAC

Rarehero

Pinside member

Los Angeles, CA

12y 134K 23,148 22 119

Quoted from pinnyheadhead:
Wonder what price CCC will end up at?

What on earth is going on with CGC? They could be selling MM, AFM, MB by the bucketloads ….they’re like “eh, when we get around to it”.

#1040 2 years ago

MAF

Kiwipinhead

Pinside member

12y 78,800 2,213

Quoted from Rarehero:
What on earth is going on with CGC? They could be selling MM, AFM, MB by the bucketloads ….they’re like “eh, when we get around to it”.

The 6k AFM would be selling like Hot cakes now

#1041 2 years ago

LTG

Pinside member

Hopkins, MN

12y 191K 57,001 24 7

Quoted from Rarehero:
What on earth is going on with CGC?

Working their butts off getting CCR ready. Getting prototypes built, and approved, and any changes made to get approval, and ready for shows. Getting games ready to ship. They've been busy.

Yes it's taken longer than anyone ever hoped. But it will be worth it.

LTG : )

#1042 2 years ago

PJF

rai

Pinside member

20y 169K 18,815 34

How much did JJP charge for GnR CE and Stern for SLE pins? I have to think that’ll be $15k for Toy Story CE or any Stern SLE release.

#1043 2 years ago

WLC

BMore-Pinball

Pinside member

Quoted from PanzerFreak:
JJP just raised GNR LE prices to $11k! Insane but I'm sure they believe their products are worth more then a Stern LE at $10,500. These recent prices increases are insane but hey if you bought at the lower price points you just made thousands! lol.

Maybe they needed the extra money to fix PF's and support customers with bad ones

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#1044 2 years ago

WOZ

PanzerFreak

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:
Maybe they needed the extra money to fix PF's and support customers with bad ones

Lol yeah. Thankfully pretty much all GNR playfield issues stopped with the late June and going forward builds, something is working. It's still BS that the issue happened in the first place after Wonka and Pirates had the issue. Free playfields should have been sent out to GNR customers with messed up playfields.

#1045 2 years ago

R M

PinFever

Pinside member

Boca Raton, FL

13y 79,050 2,042 4 30

well glad some people got good Playfields and the rest of us Destroyed ours from just playing it from the factory , How dare us . how dare we destroy the Sheety less than perfect P.O.S pooling chipping playfield with art flaking off in under 200 plays ..
Warranty Doesn't Cover Defects it seems .. Should Be odds like a Lottery on the sale of a pinball. Tell you this game has a 60 percent chance to have a P.O.S Pooling chipping playfield from regular play .
This box has a 10 percent Chance after june with same amount of user play .

Quoted from PanzerFreak:
Lol yeah. Thankfully pretty much all GNR playfield issues stopped with the late June and going forward builds, something is working. It's still BS that the issue happened in the first place after Wonka and Pirates had the issue. Free playfields should have been sent out to GNR customers with messed up playfields.

#1046 2 years ago

WLC

BMore-Pinball

Pinside member

Quoted from PanzerFreak:
Lol yeah. Thankfully pretty much all GNR playfield issues stopped with the late June and going forward builds, something is working. It's still BS that the issue happened in the first place after Wonka and Pirates had the issue. Free playfields should have been sent out to GNR customers with messed up playfields.

I thinks what's working is that they covered up the issues with washers
time will tell if it spreads past the washers

#1047 2 years ago

DSS

Haymaker

Pinside member

Rockford, IL

9y 125K 6,561 15 16

Quoted from Rarehero:
What on earth is going on with CGC? They could be selling MM, AFM, MB by the bucketloads ….they’re like “eh, when we get around to it”.

You're absolutely right, but I also am sure they are balling out of control with their main business, plus getting ready to ramp up for CC, plus part and labor shortages, I kinda can get why they aren't just cranking out games. I wish they were though, they'd definitely be making a bunch of extra money

#1048 2 years ago

BMP

Palmer

Pinside member

5y 101K 2,507 4

Quoted from PanzerFreak:
pretty much all GNR playfield issues stopped with the late June and going forward builds

#1049 2 years ago

PBD

Dr-pin

Pinside member

Trollhättan

5y 50,800 1,653 7

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:
I thinks what's working is that they covered up the issues with washers
time will tell if it spreads past the washers

If they are in full washer mode, isn´t it safe to assume the problems are not solved?

#1050 2 years ago

WLC

BMore-Pinball

Pinside member