I have an LE with a small snake problem. i didnt touch it yet because i have seen someone on this page before having the same problem and he had a hard time fixing it. my snake is spitting out the ball all over the place. its not spitting out to one direct destination. i pushed his mouth down when my ball got stuck inside and wouldnt release it and now it keeps spewing the ball wherever it wants instead of spewing out directly to the left flipper. i know its a ajustment issue but i dont wanna mess it up anymore than it already is.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/metallica-owners-thread/page/181#post-3521263
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So was it worth it to fix it? I have had the same problem since the beginning and have never tried to fix it. It is very annoying. My met probably had the most quality control issues of all my games.

Still a great game though.

Man my game has way too many extra balls when you play it. What qualifies an extra ball and how do I make it harder to get one?

yes, using the endoscope allowed me to center the nylon post in the vuk and I haven't had any issues since.

You can go into settings and limit the total number of extra balls you can receive.

On top of what Monk said it should show you which settings are the factory settings. Check if yours are set away from factory as you shouldn't be getting that many free balls unless you're really good.

Yeah I might have to do a factory reset, because I am getting like 5-10 extra balls it's crazy. I turned down the extra balls to 3 but I am still getting alot for some reason.

If a factory reset doesn't work I'd start looking for faulty switches that are activating automatically, might be causing you to get free balls.

Anybody aware of a bug during crank it up modes? I started ciu and it shot out all 4 balls for the mode. It’s happened twice now over the last year, and I wasn’t sure if it’s a bug, or if there’s a way to start a multiball at the same time as a ciu mode. Just curious

When Stern remakes Metallica 2.0 I can totaĺy see a special vibrating or shocking flipper buttons when Sparky goes wild. Easy improvement to get buyers! It may seem crazy but if they can work in a projector in ST this should be doable. Speaking of wich a black light Dirty Donny artwork package would be enticing!!!! I mean I would upgrade up to that!

Wow ! 12 MET Pros and 6 Premiums for sale on Pinside Marketplace ! Sure to be a lot of crying when Stern doesn't follow through on the rumored remake...and everyones dumping the best music pin ever made ..... Great time to buy and get yours now !

I'm starting to think you're right. Stern isn't porting older DMD titles, and I'm not so sure what initially set this rumor on fire, but this could just end up being a lot of smoke

I check everyday for one near me...

A local collector who works in the video game industry told me about a new Metallica pin from Stern almost two years ago through an insider friend of his at Stern. Pretty sure it’s going to happen! He was also right about Jaws way before it was announced. As a MoP LE owner, I’m not even thinking about selling, only planning on picking up another Metallica LE after the launch hype settles and they start showing up on secondary. For now, keep the rumors about Pokémon, Marvel, Mario, Teletubbies coming which means my money is safe! Still planning to add Foo LE to round out my music pin collection

2 years ago, well it might, but I'm thinking there are just way to many other titles to tap in to for Stern that haven't been explored.... hope it happens, but really not needed IMO

As a METLE owner, i kinda want both of these to be true. If it doesnt happen, cool, if it does, cool but $13000 for a pin to make a pair. Seriously torn either way!

A straight port with only an LCD update will fall flat IMO. All of this seemed like a good idea when distributors couldn't keep games in stock, and older DMD titles were selling for $8k... But they missed the boat

This would have to be a new game entirely for it to make sense

I can get a quick game of Metallica in,while I'm waiting for my JP to boot up.

Metallica is one game that hasn't plummeted in price. Premiums are still going for $10-12K even for the original runs with the wooden backbox that are ten years old. I had a really nice premium from the very last run that was fixed up nice and I ended up stupidly selling it before the prices went up. I'm not going to spend $4000 more than I sold my game for to get it back.

On the other hand, I am already in for a new run Metallica Premium. The game play on Metallica is a masterpiece. I can combine that with a brand new game with that new car smell, SPIKE 3, better graphics, better sound quality and stereo too and all for less than the old SAM system machines are going for? To me this is a no brainer, despite the extra 40 seconds to boot up.

Anyway I hope to rejoin the club and strong rumor has it that the Metallica vault or whatever it will be called is next after Jaws. If the rumors are wrong and it's not the original playfield with Lyman rules, there is a good chance I'll pass because the original Metallica would be really hard to top.

Pro pricing has plummeted, likely a mixture of this rumored remake and prices normalizing in general.

A new release in any capacity will be $7k pro, $9700 prem. Assuming they just port the game to a newer Spike and do nothing else, the original premiums value will drop pretty heavily. At that point, would the Metallica buyer want a 10k "upgraded" version or a $7500 original, just without a screen.

To me what would make the most sense is a single updated anniversary premium (they said no more messing with LEs). It would likely set a new price point (prob in the $10k range)

No inside knowledge, just speculation

Maybe not if I already had a nice original. Maybe. Coming from a position of not currently owning Metallica; if its done right I would take the $9500 SPIKE 3 version all day long. New in box game, better system and not just a display. SPIKE has uncompressed stereo sound, 10-band EQ and really easy speaker and amp upgrade vs mp3 mono on SAM. Maybe not a huge seller like Godzilla, but done right they could easily sell a couple thousand Premiums and a decent amount of Pros.

Yea, if its the same pin, but just LCD, not interested. If its a new layout, then we shall see.

Is it really a better system? At least with the old ones you have a chance at salvaging a board yourself. With the new stuff you are stuck waiting for Stern to ship you a whole board. Although I admit the better sound would be nice. The sound on this machine is pretty bad for a music pin until you at least add a subwoofer.

I could see the new version becoming the popular one for a while but 10 years down the road people start looking for the SAM version because the Spikes are all dying and no one has replacement boards.

If I had to guess, we might see expression lights and an integrated topper, plus insider connect, which may or may not matter to some.

I also wonder if they'd put one thing from the premium on the pro like they did for AC/DC. I would think the rising cross added to the pro with the LCD could entice people to buy the new one over a used original.

Sounds like an $11000 premium at least

Isn’t that about what met premiums go for now? You could buy a stock game for maybe $9500 if current nib pricing holds.

I know that is the common thought but not really true. Both SAM and SPIKE 2 are really good systems compared to older Whitestar, WPC and others. SPIKE is more reliable than SAM from my experience owning 12 SPIKE games and zero board problems. SAM had lots of stuff that was surface mount and only the main parts that frequently would blow like drive transistors were through hole. SPIKE is the same thing so you can swap parts without being able to work on surface mount. Blow a drive transistor and swap it out - just like SAM. In fact the driver node board has much fewer connectors so its easier to remove and reinstall after changing the transistor (I've never had one fail though so just sayin'). If something surface mount fails, most people have to get a replacement; same exact thing with SAM. Not that there aren't issues. SPIKE 1 was riddled with manufacturing problems and board issues. SPIKE 2 has some isolated issues like the Node 10 board clusterf*ck. Dial back the clock to when SAM first came out... EVERY MPU in the first game WPT was defective and gimped until Stern finally put out an updated board many months later. My WPT was a paper weight for a long time until I got an entire new MPU board in the mail. Even the last versions of Whitestar were loaded with surface mount chips. I had a LOTR with a main board that had gremlins that nobody could find or fix. Eventually after a years of effing around and tons of money spent, I had to buy a new main board for like $500 just to get the thing to work properly without reseting.

Also, rumor has it that Metallica will be the first SPIKE 3 game which could be interesting to see what it includes...

Spike is lesser quality,PERIOD!!!
I could care less how many spike fanboy naysayers who didn’t yet experience a failed node board chime in saying it is good and never had a problem with them , !

If you look at my past games history you see I have been through most pinball companies games in my collection and have only had issues and repeated issues with stern spike games.
So my experience is personal and perhaps mine alone and stand by the fact I feel and know spike is not a system I want in my lineup and won’t have a place until the integrity of the spike product and the availability and price reaches a tolerable level which it is not now with the stern node boards .

Also turn on old stern pinball machine and play in 4 seconds , most of my old spike games takes more than a minute up to 2 minutes to boot up and forgo the node board boot up sequence while I pray they all work or the game won’t play at all.

Not just 40 seconds extra .

I just can’t wait to see what if any will be improved on. I doubt anything good !

One can hope . The stern fanboy brigade is already claiming great stuff without any info. But fanboys will be fanboys . Stern can do no wrong !

LOL

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rush-node-board-10-issues-and-non-issues-list

Be sure to visit and laugh at this post too! Good stuff

LOL! You must not read my posts because I already mentioned that and labeled it as a clusterf*ck. I am totally aware and understand that issue as an early Rush premium buyer. I spent the ten minutes to cut out the offending connector in my Rush and prevent the Node 10 issue from ever happening. Even if it did happen, Stern has sent out replacements outside of warranty to make almost everyone whole. There are still a few people with broken machines from this issue, hence the clusterf*ck label. I don't want to minimize or ignore their pain.

No system is perfectly designed or 100% reliable, but it is simply a fact that SAM and SPIKE 2 are both great systems and SPIKE 2 is more reliable and more foolproof. Not to mention the SPIKE 2 boards are more readily available for purchase these days. Try to find an MPU or driver board for SAM and then make sure it is the correct one for your machine of the five different types they made.

Back to Metallica. Whether or not you are on board, it will be interesting to see what Stern comes up with. Hopefully not a fail.

Hopefully a good product arises! Me, I have a Mettallica premium that I covet as #1 pinball machine ever made ! Yes a Stern !
But by no means a fanboy of Stern (currently) .

FYI- Alright did a factory reset on my game and the hammer is working now. Which is an awesome feature..

I have a problem that acts up once every few games.
The VERTICAL UP-KICKER fires but occasionally it results in the ball not quite making it into the shooter lane every few games.
Now instead of it firing a ball again, because the ball never made it up, nothing happens.
This forces me to open the coin door and manually operate the VERTICAL UP-KICKER to put a ball in play. Any ideas as to what is going on here?

I've had games where the coil bracket slightly bends over time and bending it back under is centered on the ball gives it that extra little bit of oomf.

Im not sure what that is. Would you take a photo of what I am to bend?

I'm not home to take a photo right now but it's the bracket that holds that vertical up kicker that you are pushing up on to eject the ball. If you just move it slightly forward or back so that that vertical upkicker is centered on the ball better it may work. Just pull on the very bottom of it so you get some leverage it won't take much.

You can also check to see if your balls are magnetized. That might be holding them from falling into the proper position in the trough.

Good point, especially on Met!

Doesn't sound like an upkicker problem to me because the game should recognize that the ball is not in play. Sounds like more of a switch issue. I would think that you could adjust trough power so it kicks it out right the first time.

Check your trough optos. I’d unplug and reseat them. You may need to replace them, very inexpensive. In test mode, they may work fine, but vibrations from the game can cause intermittent issues that might be hard to diagnose.

I don't see an option for increasing the power.

Probably not your problem but i have had bulbs fall out of the spotlights and in the trough. Creating an issue where the ball cannot properly get loaded into the shooter lane. I have had this happen multiple times on different Mets.

I know on Spike you can, I'm not sure about Sam.