Quoted from tomdrum:Made a deal on a Stern Nine Ball project tonight at a fair price. 1st time getting one shipped to me. They always go the other way.
Nice. I really want a Nine Ball.
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Williams Stellar Wars, just outside of Minneapolis for a good price.
From the description I'd venture sockets and 40-pin will get it going solid.
Looks cleaner than usual for the title.
Johns Creek, GA
#count-down
Gottlieb SS
$330
Dunn, NC
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastcoastarcades/permalink/3701534523458009/
Quoted from Bonk:Gottlieb Hearts and Spades AAB
Matawan, NJ
eBay auction currently at $160. Ends in 40 minutes.
ebay.com link: itm
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Thanks! Bought it. $162.50!
Quoted from tomdrum:Thanks! Bought it. $162.50!
Glad you were able to grab it! Good deal!
Quoted from Bonk:Glad you were able to grab it! Good deal!
Again, thanks for the heads up. I gave up on pins on eBay even though I'm a top seller there. 8 hours round trip to get it but what the hell at that price. I bid 205.51 and got it at the next bid increment. Must be a holiday thing. I'm 2 for 2 in the last 24 hours on project buys. Long drought awaits, karma.
1974 Gottlieb Sky Jump
Porterville, CA
$500
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1925030241287316
Would pick this up if it wasn't so far.
441956765_1104758983932021_5380323723125241873_n (resized).jpgQuoted from dstudeba:1974 Gottlieb Sky Jump
Porterville, CA
$500
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1925030241287316
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Great game, had one.
Quoted from dstudeba:1974 Gottlieb Sky Jump
Porterville, CA
$500
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1925030241287316
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Go for it! I grew up in LA so here’s a traffic tip. Either take the alternate route through Riverside, Palmdale and avoid LA traffic, or take 5 north, 710 north, 10 west to 5 north. This avoids the whole downtown sit on your brakes journey. If you have young kids take them to Travel Town on the way north and make it a family day trip.
Surfer
Gottlieb em
$400
Tom’s River, NJ
https://m.facebook.com/groups/299213816922644/permalink/2738580869652581/
Mata Hari and a bingo game for only $650 in KY: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/435578589218287/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
Quoted from bluespin:Surfer
Gottlieb em
$400
Tom’s River, NJ
https://m.facebook.com/groups/299213816922644/permalink/2738580869652581/
What a rusty mess! Says it was stored on an enclosed porch.
Quoted from bluespin:#count-down
Gottlieb SS
$330
Dunn, NC
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastcoastarcades/permalink/3701534523458009/
Thanks, another local page. It seems to be a desert down here for cheap machines though.
Storage Unit Auction
Manufacturer: Williams
Game/Type: Travel Time / EM Single Player
Month/Year: September 1972
Production: 3,450
Auction Price: $160 currently
Location: Parsonsburg, MD
Link: https://www.storagetreasures.com/auctions/md/parsonsburg/4061394
OP:
Unit Appears to Contain:
A pinball machine , pool table , coats , lamp Rack , kitchen cabinets, wooden basket, boards ,tubs , boxes , totes , chair , pool sticks
Me: looks like a fully dissembled pool table. Looks very nice! Could be a hell of a deal!
Quoted from ClarkGriswold:#target-alpha
$200 in Lake Elsinore, CA (Southern California)
Someone go get this.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1515327872388308/
Just came to post that.
441936852_1239246657072553_5373066946736228850_n (resized).jpgQuoted from ClarkGriswold:#target-alpha
$200 in Lake Elsinore, CA (Southern California)
Someone go get this.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1515327872388308/
Looks like something funky is going on with the upper targets. Might be missing many of them on the left or have broken ones that don't appear in the pic and what is with those parts that appear to be white plastic discs sitting where the targets should be?
Quoted from iluvak9:Looks like something funky is going on with the upper targets. Might be missing many of them on the left or have broken ones that don't appear in the pic and what is with those parts that appear to be white plastic discs sitting where the targets should be?
Hmmm it says SOLD...maybe a member here bought it and can explain. Shame thou the backglass looked great except for the hot brunets face...its destroyed.
#comet
Williams SS
$1,000
Columbus, OH
https://m.facebook.com/groups/249119233904106/permalink/886688593480497/
Quoted from Bortino:4+ EM games in various condition
$300 each $1000 for all
Port Orchard, west of Seattle
Spirit of 76
Bow and Arrow
Touchdown
These lovely little arcade relics of the past need a new home! They've been terribly lonely sitting in the garage and gathering dust. They were bought with noble intentions of fixing each one into a monument of its past brilliance, but unfortunately life has had other plans.
No legs, most of the hardware is intact, but old. Some are missing more than others, but most have simple cosmetic fixes.
Asking 300 each, obo.
1000 takes the lot.
seattle.craigslist.org link
FYI, I'm pretty sure Touchdown and Spin Wheel are still available, now at $100 each. I've got to think there's more in parts in those than $100 but I honestly didn't check out either of them to say for certain.
#blackwater-100
Bally ss
$700
Pittsburgh, PA
https://m.facebook.com/groups/840783619322597/permalink/7764197536981136/
#jacks-to-open
Gottlieb SS
$1,000
Ellijah, GA
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1760005831194445/
#eight-ball
Bally SS
$1,500
Milton, GA
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/825152542835174/
#hee-haw
Chicago coin em
$180
Riverdale, GA
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3672814216300495/
#black-hole
Gottlieb ss
$2,100 obo
Meriden, CT
Pinsider 
Bmarion0913
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/177684
#big-game parts machine
Stern ss
$300
Pinsider Golfnutz81
North olmstead. Oh
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/177945
Quoted from bluespin:#big-game parts machine
Stern ss
$300
Pinsider Golfnutz81
North olmstead. Oh
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/177945
Great for parts, but it looks like it's missing the most important part to make it a complete game -- the transformer.
Quoted from dothedoo:Great for parts, but it looks like it's missing the most important part to make it a complete game -- the transformer.
Everyone (myself included) is looking for the 16b-6 transformers these days.
Quoted from dothedoo:Great for parts, but it looks like it's missing the most important part to make it a complete game -- the transformer.
Being clueless about old Stern transformers, what voltages does it supply? I'm assuming that there is some high voltage positive and negative for the displays?
Quoted from ThatOneDude:Being clueless about old Stern transformers, what voltages does it supply?
See the diagram below:
49VAC for the solenoids (converted to rippling 43VDC)
7.3VAC for general illumination
7.8VAC for switched illumination (converted to rippling 5.4VDC)
12VAC for the logic boards (converted to 5VDC via a linear regulator). Also used as a filtered 12VDC supply for the audio amplifier.
173VAC for the displays (converted to 230VDC)
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/988675499554293/?
Darling EM: National City, MI $100
Too far for me.
Quoted from Quench:See the diagram below:
49VAC for the solenoids (converted to rippling 43VDC)
7.3VAC for general illumination
7.8VAC for switched illumination (converted to rippling 5.4VDC)
12VAC for the logic boards (converted to 5VDC via a linear regulator). Also used as a filtered 12VDC supply for the audio amplifier.
173VAC for the displays (converted to 230VDC)
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Has anyone outlined the differences between Bally and Stern transformers from the classic period? I picked up two Bally 12-225(?) transformers this weekend. Are they equivalent to Stern 16B-3 or 16B-6?
Quoted from bluespin:Has anyone outlined the differences between Bally and Stern transformers from the classic period? I picked up two Bally 12-225(?) transformers this weekend. Are they equivalent to Stern 16B-3 or 16B-6?
Similar to 16B-3. Not as beefy as the 16B-6
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Bally/Stern#Transformers
Bally E-122-125 49VAC 173VAC 7.3VAC 7.8VAC 12VAC
Quoted from emsrph:Similar to 16B-3. Not as beefy as the 16B-6
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Bally/Stern#Transformers
Bally E-122-125 49VAC 173VAC 7.3VAC 7.8VAC 12VAC
I don’t see the classic stern values to compare
Clearly there is a market for these Classic Stern Inc transformers. How expensive would it be to make a run of them?
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:Clearly there is a market for these Classic Stern Inc transformers. How expensive would it be to make a run of them?
Pinball Life carries a home pin transformer that’s equivalent to a 12-125 for $295. It doesn’t put out as much voltage as a 16B-6.
Quoted from bluespin:Pinball Life carries a home pin transformer that’s equivalent to a 12-125 for $295. It doesn’t put out as much voltage as a 16B-6.
Not voltage -- current.
If you can use 5v leds for the displays, then you have a ton of choices for power. Switching power supplies or lots of transformer options. Not sure if that's an option, but that's what I would do to rebuild this machine.
Quoted from bluespin:#eight-ball
Bally SS
$1,500
Milton, GA
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/825152542835174/
sold
Quoted from bluespin:I don’t see the classic stern values to compare
The Stern voltages are the same and are in Quench post above https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/post-project-pins-for-sale-here-cl-ebay-pinside-and-others/page/527#post-8206681
I think the big difference is the increased amperage available on the solenoid line of the larger Stern 16b-6
Quoted from emsrph:The Stern voltages are the same and are in Quench post above https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/post-project-pins-for-sale-here-cl-ebay-pinside-and-others/page/527#post-8206681
I think the big difference is the increased amperage available on the solenoid line of the larger Stern 16b-6
I just made a chart on pinwiki detailing the fuse values used for F4 on each game:
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Bally/Stern#Fuse_Values
It would be interesting to compare the wire gauge used in the windings for the solenoid voltage on the Bally -18 (122-125), -49 (122-131) and -54 transformers versus the Stern TA-100 (16B-3) and 16B-6 transformers.
The fuses are sized to protect the wiring, including the transformer wires. If the transformer windings are the same gauge, you could probably substitute transformers. At your own risk!
I understand that some people want to keep things as original as possible.
And so the hunt for 16B-6's continues!
Quoted from ForceFlow:I just made a chart on pinwiki detailing the fuse values used for F4 on each game:
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Bally/Stern#Fuse_Values
Thank you. In looking at the transformer values it says stern 16B-3 and 16B-6 are the same, but they’re not. I think this was an oversight.
In my Multi-Bally and Stern I have run Star Gazer on a -54 rectifier board with a -131 transformer. No noticeable lack of oomph. Played quite well and snappy and I had no problem flipping to the top of the play field.
Shawn
You can certainly run a Flight 2000, Quicksilver, Star Gazer, and probably any other classic stern with 2 flippers on the smaller transformers. They will play just fine and no one would be the wiser. I haven't tried running a Big Game or Split Second on one but I'd wager they would "work" too. It's been speculated that the larger transformer is needed to power more flippers. Meteor was the first game with the bigger transformer and it has 3 flippers.
Now, comparing the oomph between the -3 and -6 on any game has been discussed ad nauseam in the classic stern club thread. It's a noticeable difference in the power you receive, at least in my experience.
This is an interesting piece of ephemera where Gary implies it has something to do with their electronics and sound system. No idea why that would matter: https://www.ipdb.org/files/1580/Stern_1979_Meteor_An_Open_Letter_to_the_Coin_Machine_Industry_from_Gary_Stern_President_undated.pdf
Quoted from bluespin:Thank you. In looking at the transformer values it says stern 16B-3 and 16B-6 are the same, but they’re not. I think this was an oversight.
I found it odd too that the voltages were identical--usually when new transformers are made, it's because there's a change in voltages.
I checked various schematics of MPU-100 and 200 games. The voltages were the same, though the appeared in a different order on the schematics, and the 49VAC voltage was erased on some MPU-200 game schematics, leaving only the 4 visible.
Keep in mind that all the stern games used the same TA-100 rectifier board layout & component values in all the game titles (even though there was an earlier blue and later green board--they basically just updated from 70s era components to 80s era components).
The difference between the two transformers just appears to be the amperage capacity on the 49VAC circuit.
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I also double-checked my original copies of Dracula, Seawitch, and Flight 2000--they are the same as the IPDB scans.
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