Quoted from HydrogenHuman:Gorgar and Safari for ???
Located in Freedom, NH
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1143916969796731/
"These machines are in great condition but do need some parts replaced. I have the original manuals and the parts to be replaced.
These will be in perfect working condition if someone that knows what they are doing repairs them. My handy father had planned on repairing them but unfortunately he passed away and we will not have a place to keep them. Probably something you would want to get a look at first.
Serious buyers only please. I cannot answer any other questions so please don’t ask. Your more than welcome to come by and check them out. Buyer is responsible to transport and price is negotiable."
Impossible to know how much this person wants, so could or could not end up being a good deal.
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Well, this person looks ot have an auction going on. Hh says his high offer, so far, is $1400.00 To me, these two titles are sources of parts. And there is no way I am paying up for something with a couple of pictures.
Quoted from the96stang:This is the exact reason this is my least favorite thread on pinside. Posts like this drive the games sky high, and now they will be listed forever because the person thinks they have gold.
We are all looking, all the time, at all the same markets. This just creates unnecessary noise. And if I remember correctly, you only post games you ARENT interested in, but magicly forget to post the ones you are
Imo, end this thread. Rant over. ✌️
This is not a carugment. At a car site I used to spend time on, the site's founder and webmaster, had a policy of us not posting Ebay auctions because it might drive the price up for the guy who is diligently watching the auction. And competition was stiff for several parts for this particular car. I understand someone not wanting a particular sale broadcasted.
But let's cut to the chase: We are all looking for the swinging deal from an ignorant seller who has priced his sale too low. We all want that sale that that will allow us to buy a pin for below market rates. Or we all want that rare pin that is not priced like the rare pin that it is.
If the seller is an educated seller, he will be priced to the market. There is no swinging deal. And nothing to chase. And if he is overpriced, we talk about that "greedy seller".
Someone posted a very rare pin on pinside one day. Only 302 units of this pin were produced. Several of us jumped on this. The pin was rare, desirable , and underpriced. I did not get the pin. It was on Craigslist in California. I don't know who got it. But if someone here had not posted the link, I would not have even known about it; But I had a chance I would not have otherwise had.
Here is another one: I put a pin up for sale on CL. I was overpriced by about $200.00. I said I was overpriced. And I said what I had done to the pin and why it was priced as it was. It took me two months before my buyer came along. The only action I got on that for sale ad was the scammers wanting to have their people come buy with a cashiers check and leave with the pin.
Another one: I was looking for a particular pin. I had been looking for awhile. And then I stopped looking. And then one day I opened up CL and down in Oklahoma City was the pin I had been looking for; The for sale ad had been up for 19 days. If that same pin was to hit Craigslist today, unless it was grossly overpriced, it would be sold in 30 minutes to some local OK City guy.
And the last one: About 4 years ago I was at CL and saw a Gottlieb Joker Poker for sale. And I took a closer look. Yes, it was Joker Poker. But instead of the early SS JP with 9,280 units produced, this was an EM JP with only 820 units produced. The seller had it priced for $300.00. I could have made a killing.
But I am bought up. I do not have room for this pin. It is rare. It is a hot title, but I am not in the market. I sent the CL seller a CL email. I said, "you are way underpriced on this pin. You can ask more. Seller was sitting in front of his computer and got right back to me. He was needing money badly. I told him he could probably get $2000.00 for an EM JP. He raised his price. He got back with me and said he took a $1,000.00 because he really needed the money.
So, yeah, sure, I made someone pay $700.00 more for a rare pin. But I am not sorry. I helped a kid out who sounded like he was flat broke and really needed the money. Sorry for the buyer who had to step up with an extra $700.00, but I would do it again. And the buyer still got a deal, but not as good as he would have gotten if I had not come around.
And if I had been interested in the machine? I would have probably kept my mouth shut and told the seller I can be there in 3 hours with the $300.00. I have a black heart.
As buyers, we love "divorce forces sale" ads, we love sellers "whose health has gone bad and he needs to raise cash". As sellers, we want all we can get. Yeah, yeah, I get you passed it off to a friend for even money. But, by and large, we want every dollar we can scrape when we are selling.
No one here is "holier than thou".
Quoted from MaxAsh:I actually understand the96stang 's frustration here. And you actually sort of proved his point a bit with your comment here. Think about this for a second. You only post things that are not near you, and that you don't want. Why do you do that? Because you don't want to tell everyone about a deal you found that you want, right? Makes sense. Now think about that from the perspective of somebody who wants a game and sees it posted on someplace like Facebook. They get excited, maybe they're first in line because they saw it right away, and then someone goes and posts it here because they don't want it, so why not tell the world about it, right? Well, then suddenly a lot more eyes can be on it, and a feeding frenzy can occur. Price gets driven up frequently, and that person who saw the deal first maybe loses out. I have personally had this happen multiple times.
I find it highly unlikely that any pinball machine posted clearly on a place like Craigslist or Facebook isn't spotted right away by many of us in the hobby at this point. Broadcasting games you don't want in a place like this only causes more people to pile on a potential deal, potentially ruining the deal itself. You can say you're just trying to help people in the hobby pick up a pinball machine, but the hypocritical nature of it is apparent when you only post things you don't want.
If you see a great deal near you, and you hurry off to get it without telling anyone, are you thrilled when you see it posted in a place like this? Of course not. You're hoping no one else sees it, and that no one posts it here before you can grab it. I'll call anyone that says otherwise a liar in a heartbeat. So why do it to other people? That's the part that doesn't really make any sense to me. You wouldn't want it done to you, so why would you do it to others?
It would make a lot more sense if stuff posted here were things that might not have been noticed. Games poorly listed so not many eyes are on it, or deals that have been sitting for a while because they were obscure in their posting. Games buried in some estate sale maybe.
It is eternally frustrating when I'm driving off to pick up a deal near me, then I see it posted on this thread while I'm on the way, and arrive to find out a couple dozen new people are messaging the seller, jacking up the price, or telling them not to let me buy it as cheaply as it was listed. Can that happen without it being posted here? Of course! But does this help avoid that? Definitely not.
I appreciate the level of work that goes into finding deals, because I put the effort in just like many of us do. I think what the deal hunter / posters lose sight of is how posting those deals in a place like this affects both the market, and the ability for local buyers to pick it up. Yes, maybe a Pinsider will say hey, thanks for posting that, I grabbed it. But how many other Pinsiders or hobbyists were already trying to get the deal/game, worked hard to watch for deals too, but lost out because it got posted here?
I am definitely an example of one. Every time I spot a deal, I feel like I'm racing against this thread every time. I come check it as I try to work on securing the game, and I dread every time it gets posted here. After multiple experiences with this thread causing me to either pay more, or lose the game altogether, I cross my fingers and hope local guys like HydrogenHuman don't post the game before I can get it. It's a crappy feeling, having to worry about a Pinside post screwing up a pickup for me, but it's become a frequent concern. And I know I'm not the only one, plenty of people complain about it. It's been discussed in local threads, and a good number of people prefer to keep those kinds of posts to a minimum, or out altogether.
Put simply, if you're not willing to post a deal you want, why post a deal that will hurt somebody else's chances of getting the game? I would be shocked to find out that any of the games or deals posted here haven't already been seen by at least a few people who want it in that area. Not a single game HydrogenHuman posted in this thread was one I hadn't already seen when he posted it, from my recollection. I'm only mentioning him because he's the local guy (to me) that seems to be doing that a lot over the past year or so. Broadcasting it really is just feels like it's about flexing deal hunting and posting quickly skills, more than anything else. But that's just my two cents. It is a free country and free forum to post on. I for one wish that people didn't do that though, and have lost out on something I wanted several times because of it. That's why I don't post about any games. I know people will see them, so if I don't want them, I let the other hard working hunters find and grab them. I don't want people to feel the way I do when this kind of thread drives up prices, and pulls games away from someone that worked hard to find it, or be first in line for it.
I appreciate those of you that think this is altruistic, and you're just trying to help. If you're not just doing it to show off your deal finding skills, or race to be the first one to post a deal, then maybe you really do think you have the best interests of others in mind. Maybe you're just looking out for the people that can't, or don't know how to, put in the effort to find games and deals. I can see that angle. And I'm sure some of those people appreciate it.
That being said, perhaps this gives you a little different perspective on what your posts can do, or how they can also be detrimental. You might just be hurting as many or more than you're helping, if you view it all from a different angle. I'm not raging at anyone, just providing a perspective. Although I admit sometimes I do want to comically strangle Mr Hydrogen like Homer strangles Bart when he posts a game I'm already trying to snag.
Same as above. You are looking for the great deal which means , more than likely, it selling for below market price.
Pinckney, MI
