Quoted from SLRage:

For all the random people who like to repeat the line that Halloween buyers somehow are unhappy I have to say "step away from the group-think mentality."
Yes, a lot of flippers were very unhappy and "some" buyers had some legitimate issues with their pins, however..........Time will prove that the Vast majority of Halloween owners are Very Happy with the game so far and I have a really good feeling that this next update will take the game over the top.
Happy owners may not dominate the commentary on this game but we exist and Love our Game!

Quoted from SLRage:

For all the random people who like to repeat the line that Halloween buyers somehow are unhappy I have to say "step away from the group-think mentality."
Yes, a lot of flippers were very unhappy and "some" buyers had some legitimate issues with their pins, however..........Time will prove that the Vast majority of Halloween owners are Very Happy with the game so far and I have a really good feeling that this next update will take the game over the top.
Happy owners may not dominate the commentary on this game but we exist and Love our Game!

Quoted from Aurich:

Saw an ad yesterday for someone trying to sell their Fathom remake, before it had even arrived, because they had also pre-ordered 3 other games and didn't have room for them all.

Quoted from Coindork:

I agree with you 100%.
I’m totally happy with mine and my wife friggin loves it. It’s a very unconventional game that I rather enjoy playing. Alice Cooper got a lot of the same sort of feedback for the longest time. Personally I think that’s one of the best pins I’ve owned.

Quoted from SLRage:

For all the random people who like to repeat the line that Halloween buyers somehow are unhappy I have to say "step away from the group-think mentality."
Yes, a lot of flippers were very unhappy and "some" buyers had some legitimate issues with their pins, however..........Time will prove that the Vast majority of Halloween owners are Very Happy with the game so far and I have a really good feeling that this next update will take the game over the top.
Happy owners may not dominate the commentary on this game but we exist and Love our Game!

Quoted from JSC:

It’s their decision to take money now. If licensor says game isn’t ready to show they can do the right thing and hold off on taking non refundable deposits until it is.

Quoted from metallik:

If license is the issue...
Turn the volume all the way down and cover up the LCD. Play it and let folks see how the game shoots. We've already seen the playfield art so the licensor seems happy with that. If showing the lightshow is an issue, disconnect the controlled lighting. Geometry, shots and flow are the most important; go ahead and show us all that while maybe describing what features you're shooting for.

Quoted from K9Marshal:

Well we know that you have no problem working on and fixing games The number of pages for rick and morty fixes to get those early games to play right was overwhelming. But yeah it’s different for everyone depending on your level of skill. But people should agree that spending the amount of money on a new in box pin that we spend should not then be forced to make the game play right or fix a ton of stuff right off the bat. Instead of rushing these games out how about a little, just a little, better quality control would go a long way.
Sending out new decals to a customer that just spent 10 grand on a new in box game that came messed up due to poor QC isn’t a fair resolution to the issue as that person either has to spend time (time is money) fixing it if they can or pay someone to do it. I mean it’s not like they are churning out 1,000 pins a day take the damn time to look it over before boxing it up.
Rant over

Quoted from K9Marshal:

Well we know that you have no problem working on and fixing games The number of pages for rick and morty fixes to get those early games to play right was overwhelming. But yeah it’s different for everyone depending on your level of skill. But people should agree that spending the amount of money on a new in box pin that we spend should not then be forced to make the game play right or fix a ton of stuff right off the bat. Instead of rushing these games out how about a little, just a little, better quality control would go a long way.
Sending out new decals to a customer that just spent 10 grand on a new in box game that came messed up due to poor QC isn’t a fair resolution to the issue as that person either has to spend time (time is money) fixing it if they can or pay someone to do it. I mean it’s not like they are churning out 1,000 pins a day take the damn time to look it over before boxing it up.
Rant over

Quoted from SLRage:

I have never flipped an AC but really need to. Halloween just has the perfect atmosphere for a horror game and that's not an easy task!

Quoted from SLRage:

For all the random people who like to repeat the line that Halloween buyers somehow are unhappy I have to say "step away from the group-think mentality."
Yes, a lot of flippers were very unhappy and "some" buyers had some legitimate issues with their pins, however..........Time will prove that the Vast majority of Halloween owners are Very Happy with the game so far and I have a really good feeling that this next update will take the game over the top.
Happy owners may not dominate the commentary on this game but we exist and Love our Game!

Quoted from Aurich:

That doesn't mean it's a deep game automatically or anything, but just to utilize that many callouts indicates a certain amount of attention to software.

Quoted from dnapac:

I see your point…but pinball is a unique hobby. I’ve had as much, if not more trouble, with my Sterns or B/W. Pinball has never been maintenance free…ever. And it prob never will be. Anyone buying a pin should with be ready to pay for maintenance or know how. I not an expert, but expect myself to find the solution…sometimes with a lot of help.
Wife had a good analogy…people spend 10s of 1000s of dollars on collectible cars…if they don’t know how to maintain them, they have to pay someone to do it.

Quoted from TheBeefSupreme:

How does calling people who didn’t like HWN/UM flippers make any real case for Spooky? Flippers do well with games people want. Once people got their hands on these games the general feeling was that they were not good

Quoted from mpdpvdpin:

Halloween is SICK

Quoted from TheBeefSupreme:

How does calling people who didn’t like HWN/UM flippers make any real case for Spooky? Flippers do well with games people want. Once people got their hands on these games the general feeling was that they were not good, that’s why the are selling for what they are. It’s like “you are only mad because you thought people would want the game, but they don’t…because it’s great?”

Quoted from mpdpvdpin:

I’ll say this much…I have NEVER bought an upper tier CE LE SLE whatever pin from any other manufacture BESIDES Spooky. This will be my fourth and I ain’t scared of shit. Have I had probs with my Halloween? Yup? Did I fix it, yup. Will I have more probs? Yup. Will I fix em? Yup. Will I have probs with Scooby? Yup. Will I fix em? Yup. AND I’m putting on location. Am I worried? A bit. Will it stop me? Absolutely the F not.

Quoted from Coindork:

I’ll say one more thing about Alice Cooper.
In general the shots are harder then a conventional Stern. Tighter shots etc.
Some people get turned off by this.
There were some at first that were calling Alice Cooper a brick fest when it came out.
I think Alice Cooper is more akin to playing Snooker where as a Stern is more like playing an 8 ball game of pool on a bar table.
It really taught me better ball controll and to aim my shots more precise. In short, it made me a better player more so than any other machine.
I love it now and find it really gratifying when I have a good game.
Totally agree on Halloween with the perfect horror atmosphere. I met my wife in a Goth club and she’s all into horror movies and such and loves Spooky games. Aside from BSD there really are not a lot of pins that cater to a darker theme like that. I think you would really like Alice Cooper for that reason as it nails that vibe as well. Rob Zombie has that vibe as well and if you learn the rule set and how to play it is actually a pretty decent game in my opinion. It’s not “packed”, but it not deserving of all the shit people like to give it. I know a lot of people like to crap on RZ, but it has developed a following among some of us. Production was so limited that at this point they are making their way into the hands of people who like them, so the hate is kind of a mute point I suppose.

Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:

Halloween is broken.
You can hit that center ramp 5 times a row…and then get rejections 5 times a row…that’s why there’s an opto half way up it so at least it makes a sound on all the fails. And when you do make it, it just rattles through the diverter
Left ramp is better but still rattles through mostly
Sanitarium ends up largely ignored, watch how much gameplay out there where people let it drain through without a flip
Judith is satisfying but with poor geometry to reliably hit it.
Orbit is pretty clean
House playfield is decently fun and challenging, but it requires you to do business with that broken center ramp
After a few hundred plays Halloween is pretty much reduced to only going for hedge multiball which has 3 satisfying locks and an awesome MB experience with the theme song going.
The rest of it should’ve been redesigned

Quoted from TheBeefSupreme:

How does calling people who didn’t like HWN/UM flippers make any real case for Spooky? Flippers do well with games people want. Once people got their hands on these games the general feeling was that they were not good, that’s why the are selling for what they are. It’s like “you are only mad because you thought people would want the game, but they don’t…because it’s great?”

Quoted from Vecna:

You are ready for this pin.

Quoted from K9Marshal:

I agree - but I’d still be happier with non boneheaded mistakes that could have easily been avoided with a quick QC check - it just screams lack of care to me

Quoted from Damonator:

And R&M sold out in an hour with spots immediately fetching $1-3k over MSRP. Like I said - it's a risk either way.

Quoted from PinMonk:

750 units vs 1969 units is a substantial difference.

Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:

Halloween is broken.
You can hit that center ramp 5 times a row…and then get rejections 5 times a row…that’s why there’s an opto half way up it so at least it makes a sound on all the fails. And when you do make it, it just rattles through the diverter
Left ramp is better but still rattles through mostly
Sanitarium ends up largely ignored, watch how much gameplay out there where people let it drain through without a flip
Judith is satisfying but with poor geometry to reliably hit it.
Orbit is pretty clean
House playfield is decently fun and challenging, but it requires you to do business with that broken center ramp
After a few hundred plays Halloween is pretty much reduced to only going for hedge multiball which has 3 satisfying locks and an awesome MB experience with the theme song going.
The rest of it should’ve been redesigned

Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:

Halloween is broken.
You can hit that center ramp 5 times a row…and then get rejections 5 times a row…that’s why there’s an opto half way up it so at least it makes a sound on all the fails. And when you do make it, it just rattles through the diverter
Left ramp is better but still rattles through mostly
Sanitarium ends up largely ignored, watch how much gameplay out there where people let it drain through without a flip
Judith is satisfying but with poor geometry to reliably hit it.
Orbit is pretty clean
House playfield is decently fun and challenging, but it requires you to do business with that broken center ramp
After a few hundred plays Halloween is pretty much reduced to only going for hedge multiball which has 3 satisfying locks and an awesome MB experience with the theme song going.
The rest of it should’ve been redesigned

Quoted from Coindork:

I don’t think all of the people that did not like HWN/UM were flipper. Those games are for sure not for everyone, I’ll admit that.
The thing is, that there were a certain number of people that bought those machine with no other intention other than flipping them for more money. I’m sure it seemed like a good idea at the time considering Rick and Morty was selling at a premium. When that did not work out well and they couldn’t sell them a few of them got all pissed and started trash talking on pretty much every for sale thread etc.
Personally I think it’s funny as hell.
If buying a NIB pinball machine thinking your going to flip it for a profit is your great money making scheme I think you have bigger issues.

Quoted from dnapac:

From my limited understanding…I don’t think this is a Spooky decision. They answer to the people who hold the Scooby license…so all blaming Spooky…it does no good…they aren’t the bad guys.

Quoted from dnapac:

1500 (HW and UM) in 4 hours.

Quoted from dnapac:

1750 (HW and UM) in 4 hours.

Quoted from Zablon:

I think it goes beyond flipping. Keep in mind that with the higher prices came a mindset for many that they could buy a game, play it for a month or two, then sell it recouping the cost or more and move on to the next game. With HWN/ULT that really didn't happen because the code is so far from finished. Additionally, well, I get the impression that game is an aquired taste and not for everyone.

Quoted from dnapac:

1750 (HW and UM) in 4 hours.

Quoted from PinMonk:

1969 weighed down Halloween/Ultraman ongoing bad juju.

Quoted from reffob:

I’ve been busy at work all afternoon, so Spooky confirmed no gameplay tomorrow??

Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:

Halloween is broken.
You can hit that center ramp 5 times a row…and then get rejections 5 times a row…that’s why there’s an opto half way up it so at least it makes a sound on all the fails. And when you do make it, it just rattles through the diverter

Quoted from Vino:

No gameplay. Just Q/A session answering when they will show gameplay.

Quoted from Zablon:

That is not how it went down. Distros were sitting on both for multiple days (I think ULT was over a week before they all sold). R&M didn't sell out as quick as stated either. People were saying once Spooky ran out on their website it was sold out, which was not true.

Quoted from Vino:

No gameplay. Just Q/A session answering when they will show gameplay.

Quoted from Daditude:

ACNC is a great game that's very underrated. Much like Houdini (I own both), people give it a hard time because more precise shots are needed.