It’s amazing, frankly. Just scan the damn thing and send it back! What more do you need Mirco? Highclasspinball

Once again, Mirco shows his true colors. Totally unacceptable taking advantage of people who are trying to not only better the hobby, but help him profit in the process!

Meet him at a pinball show he attends, with a friend or three. Could his smugness change?

Please copy your info to Rick at PP. I saw here in one of the threads where he is looking into playfield quality issues with Mirco.

Since PP sells playfields and allows Mirco to reproduce them, maybe he can persuade the dude to give you back your playfield.

I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to file a civil action against him in Germany or where ever his business is located.

Europeans is this possible ?

If only it were easy to sue him from here
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Maybe criminal action for theft?

Internationally? Good luck.

You can always try emailing the German police if you think you have been the victim of a crime: [email protected]

It's just bloody anger now that I feel when reading Mirco threads. How this crook is still able to do business, sheltered by JJP is fucking astonishing. Asshole doesn't come close to covering this clown. His sheer arrogance, ambivilance to customer complaints, unwillingness to recognise issues and resolve them and an unwavering inclination to hide behind physical distance to majority of the world. Such a shame.

You forgot the smugness

It’s bizarre to me that JJP hasn’t switched…I mean, it’s not like there isn’t *some other company in Germany making really good playfields* ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rumor has it that "TheHack" is a early investor in JJP in some way. This is why JJP can't back out of the deal.

5 years !!! This is not encouraging.

Do you get any kind of correspondence from him at all?

I have not been to TPF since the covid stuff started. I was told Mirco was not at TPF last year and asked him about that. He said his wife had some sort of cancer they were dealing with.

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I have also thought of putting his email address out and ask everybody to clog up his email so that maybe he would return it out of email DNS frustration.

Nah, we just stopped asking about it. I’m not losing any sleep over it. Just annoyed by it. But lesson learned.

I had one of his Quicksilver play fields that developed a paint adhesion problem. I actually shamed him into sending me a replacement; And I know of others who have bought his Quicksliver play field with pooling and bubbling problems and Mirco told them to pound sand.

More encouragement

I'm not going to stop. I will jack with his email.

This was/is my Dragonfist play field. Only 301 of these pins were produced by Stern.

Man what if somebody went to a pinball show that Mirco was at and took a picture of his back? That would really show him

LMAO

I havn't bought a New JJP since all this came to light, and won't.

How low can TS4 go?

How low can GF go?

Maybe that is the only way to change things.

Customers Fault?

I'll never forget that one. Never.

If the posts (etc) are checked for tightness chipping is nonexistent. Gotta check the playfields when the pin is first received

Worked for willy. Worked for g&r.

Naw.. that's the thing.. some PFs are perfectly fine, others are problematic. It's a gamble and you won! congrats.

In March 2021 I bought a NIB Wonka LE that had a manufacturing date of 11/2019. So more than enough time to cure, checked and snugged everything right out of the box I even added washers below the sling posts and 30 Plays in pooling started. It’s just the luck of the draw.

WRONG - where in the world did you come up with this?

I'm not sure it is luck of the draw.

Notwithstanding my Dragonfist play field Mirco seems to have decided to keep, I have built 2 of his Quicksilver play fields and one Nine Ball play field. I had pooling problems with one of the play fields and the other two are suspect but what I did was to use bonded Neoprene washers under each an every post. That solved any pooling problems.

These are nice because after you tighten the post down, the washer keeps it up and away from the play field and you can hook a fingernail under the post. I recommend them for any build on any play field.

https://www.amazon.com/Neoprene-Bonded-Sealing-Washers-Stainless/dp/B07WX7HNGD/ref=sr_1_3

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Here is the problem I ran into with my first QS play field. I had a slingshot post split sometime during the night. And the post acted like a shovel and dug out a chunk of paint. Mirco tried to blame me by saying I over-torqued the post. I persisted and he did send me a replacement play field and I kept the this one and made the repair.

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Here is some post distortion at a couple of other post locations on this play field. Using the neoprene washers stopped this problem.

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And this is a post area on a pin that I restored and clear coated 5 years ago. There is no pooling, etc. I think Mirco is using some substandard clear on his pins, but he knows all and will not listen.

This post area is why I will always be using the rubber washers going forward.

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For those who have posted that you sent a playfield to Mirco for reproduction, did you get promised a reproduction playfield of your choice (like CPR does)? Did you get that playfield delivered to you? Or were you wanting a reproduction of what you sent and are still waiting on it?

Still waiting. 3 years.

He won’t send you back the original and something else for your trouble?

That's why I am here bitching about it. I have asked him several times and offered to pay for the shipping.

are there any other pinsiders that reside in germany (close to mirco) that could help you reclaim your playfield?

CPR changed that policy a long time ago. Was $150 store credit when I last sent one in, at least 6-7 years ago.

Not when I spoke to them recently (2023). Sent them plastics, got free plastics of my choice (and originals back). Sent them back glass, got free back glass of my choice (and original back…in one piece, ha). Was told for the playfield it was they keep the original and you get a playfield of choice back, which could include the reproduction

Mantis does the same bounty system for metal that Kerry wants to change into stainless steel

CPR keeps your playfield now? Who do they think they are, Mirco?

Thank sweet baby jesus this guy isn't making playfields for CGC, i will never spend a dime to support that business.

He only does them for JJP for the most part? Sounds like a horrible person to deal with, nothing like fast tracking the clear coat process so it doesn't cure proper.

Thin coat, gasses out correctly, sand and re-clear, repeat process.....

Yes. I discovered a guy in Germany (U.S. ex-pat) who has a Nine Ball that had a fairly decent play field. At my request he contacted Mirco, broke down his Nine Ball and took it to Mirco and within 3 months Nine Ball play fields were being sold ( All the while Mirco already has my play field).

My contact lives with in driving distance of Mirco. He is aware of my problem but has not offered to help and i would not feel comfortable asking.

Heads up everyone never buy anything or ship anything for this bonehead what ever he says he will not do ether way so just don't or buy JJP pins he's PF are crap all around they only last a year or two

Well, no. If you buy something, he ships. In this regard he is not a thief. This is what makes my situation seem so strange.

And there was an issue with my first Quicksilver play field. He said to send it back and he would fix it and return it. He did just that.

You say, "he's PF are crap all around they only last a year or two." What are your experiences with his play fields only lasting a year or two?

Other than the well documented pooling and peeling issues, what other things should we be looking for? I posted my solution of using neoprene washers to control and eliminate the pooling problem and thought I had it all solved.

What other issues on my 3 Mirco play fields do I need to be concerned about? Be specific, please.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whirlwind-club-members-only/page/102#post-7647234

There was a huge thread on the 9-ball field and the bad artwork, as well as comments on misaligned post holes and dimples.

But for lasting a year or two - cracks, ghosting, chipping and peeling around posts like above..

Yes if u buy from him yes he will for sure because it's money in his pocket ,I got a IJ PF from him which wasn't cheap at all when I got it looks good until I was going too install it and found out the clear coat wasn't dry and the more I looked at it some inserts wasn't that good ether so I told him about he said ok send it back but I had too pay the shipping ,I don't think so that's he's way too get out of it ,most people won't spend 500 more too send it back ,so that PF wasn't going in too my IJ that's for sure ,so I sold that PF insend and restored my own from the game and I have too say now after doing I am was better off with the same PF that now will last 30 more years ,not like his PF I have seen with my own eyes two years later after ball play and tons of people on here with pooling ,the pins from the 90s never had theses problems so for me I am sticking with the 90s pins all the way but that's me

Oh ya forgot too say there way lots of misaligned post holes and dimples on the IJ PF that most parts didn't line up which was grap that's why I didn't want his grap ever again and better off restoring my old one that will last 30 more year at the end

This has been floating around in my head for several years. I couldn't recall who sent their Dragonfist PF to him. Sorry to hear it was you.

It rubs additional salt in the wound because so many DF owners & potential scratch builders really need that reproduction. I gave up hoping for this awhile ago & moved onto other projects. He's been promising to produce AS playfields for at least 5 years, if only someone would send him a PF for artwork reference. Glad no one ever did.

Weeeelllllll ..... with all intended and due respect, you didn't "solve" a problem per say, but you did mitigate it. For games without VUK kickouts or scoops I'm sure Mircos "soft, pliable and reliable" approach works fine.

The FACT there is inconsistency in his own product is just proof there's inconsistency *being introduced* somewhere. Derp.

If someone knows Mirco please pass this on to him.
If I were Mirco, this would become standard operating procedure to help instill public confidence. Currently his silence is actually an admission of guilty.
1.) After PF goes through CNC, a stiff paper template is laid over PF backside and quick dry ink rolled over. Visual confirmation that hole placement is proper (for them and customer!) Can also confirm that any potential drifting is caught before it gets stupid out of alignment and product loss occurs.
2.) 30 day drying window. Once time expires a post is inserted. I assure you a pool WILL appear in under 24 hours. (PF is marked as a second and price reduced). This ones important. He'd be openly admitting the PF has issues and selling the defect at a reduced price. Nobody can complain at that point. You knew what you were buying and he's no longer the bad guy!
3.) Offer a "clear-less" option for those that prefer a high quality coating. He can pump and dump and the client is happy. He's making money and no longer the bad guy!

Let me qualify this. For a standard play field post, using a neoprene washer eliminates the pooling problem. The clear may still be crap but with this washer you get to live for another day.

One of my pins with a saucer has a Cliffy installed so there is no issue there.

Good point. But my 3 play fields are consistent. All 3 are crap clear.

Mirco and I have had a "discussion" about this. It does not matter that I painted airplanes professionally for 7 years. He thinks he knows all.

I have sent him an email talking about these washers. It's like talking to the brick wall.

Agreed. For him to jump on the rubber washer bandwagon would be an admission that his clear is substandard.

My first Mirco play field sat here and cured for 6 months. And as soon as I started installing posts the pooling started.

I don't see Mirco doing this.

I would go for that. For sure.

Clear and Ceramic clears are scratch resistant. Not scratch proof.