Found this one on Ks site:
Raised inserts, unsure what the white is, wear, wax, glue?
Hope this is a one off...
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Could be glare as well but more than likely it's wear from the inserts being recessed and the ball going over the "lip" of the insert.

But you bring the same jolly attitude to every argument. Potato, potahto.

See what happens when you poke an angry bear? No one really cares about court. People just want what they paid for. If they are paying for pooling and chipping, this needs to be clearly stated on the warranty.

There are so many unresolved issues that this thread will keep going and going and going.

Unaware people will by old stock of playfields, fit them and then they get pooling and chipping. It will be their fault for buying the product. This thread is here as a warning.

I have two Mirco playfields. Neither have been installed. I have an early Quicksilver with the missing black rings around the Star roll overs. It has been sitting for years now. I don’t know if these had the better clear or not.

I also bought a Nineball playfield before CPR released theirs, at the time it was the only option. I was hesitant but my original it pretty rough, I knew about the problems when I bought it, I just wish the CPR had come out before I bought the Mirco. I plan to sand both and reclear them both with Evercoat 2PAC in hopes that it will help, only time will tell.

Besides the artwork discrepancy, why redo the clear if they are holding up years later?

They are uninstalled, as I read it.

I haven’t installed them in the games yet.

My QS sat uninstalled for years as well. Once it was installed, the problems started with the clear. With most playfields, I'd say that time helps, but not necessarily with Mircos. If I were you, I'd have it recleared and not take the risk. The countless hours put into a PF swap is only worth it if the PF lasts longer than the time you spend swapping it in.

I'd test the clear for softness with finger nail; then maybe a coin to see if they need to be re-cleared.
I'd fix the rings with a water slide decal; the re-clear.
But yeah; Mirco sucks.

I’m glad you can see if there is an issue before doing install work. I’d be very curious to hear what you find out. For the coin test, do you press as hard as you can or just apply some pressure and see if a line/trail is left behind after running the coin over an area?

I'm far from an expert. I'd judge how much pressure a post would inflict on the clear to see if it is too soft for a post. sorry; I don't have more experience with this because I haven't been ripped off by JJP or Mirco.

Maybe install a post under the apron area to see if it has pooling issues after a few months?

I’d put a soft rubber washer under the post if I was building on a brand new playfield. Why risk anything? But yeah, if no soft washers are to be had, I’d test it under a spot you won’t see on an existing simple or hole.

The idea is to test the clear coat in a inconspicuous area to see if it's impacted by horrible/soft clear... Not to install any posts on the main playfield

Tried installing a post to check in advance - didn’t help or show at all what was coming.

Sorry to hear that. Good info.

I thought at one point Mirco was pre installing a post on every playfield at his factory to test the clear on every playfield? Maybe that was just for JJP, or am I imagining this?

See the post directly above yours.

Always good to test the clear coats for hardness at the bottom of the playfield that the apron will cover.

Here is a pic (and vid) taken last week end from the french major pinball event : the Treport.
Jack from JJP was there and signed autograph... wait for it... at Mirco’s booth. It’s cristal clear that the JJP pin will stay on Mirco’s playfield... for a really long time. Good or bad: your choice.
Also, the wall ad on the back for the Totan 2.0 original kit is kind of strange: i thought it was all over for a while since there has been almost never any communication nor any videos behind it. I mean WTF: who will pay 2500 ich dollars for something stamped Mirco and no idea what’s in there. Also, is it still supported with update or anything, kind of doubt it, what about HD? , never been any communication: really unfortunate.

Here is a link pf the video, (it’s in french), at 7m30s

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Look at that smug asshole on the left edge of the photo....

Your looking at a dude who sold his soul…

Who is he? Sounds like a juicy story.

Had a very positive customer service experience with Mirco the other day. Not playfield related, but was needing a few more WH2O RadCals and was able to get a small order in for a fraction of the cost of a full set. Very responsive and helpful, and honestly couldn't be happier with the result

Happy for you...
Buy a lottery ticket, your on a roll...

He's great when you are trying to give him money.

Please report back here if (when) you have any issues with your product.

That's when his customer service skills really shine!!

Will do!

Had a couple issues with new, second-hand WH2O RadCals, and seemed to me he stood by his product when he only charged me the cost of shipping to get a few replacement pieces, even though I wasn't the original buyer. He easily could have said no, but seemed to me he stood by his product. Obviously, I had to do a little leg work to prove my case, but in the end it was a win-win.

I did a TOTAN restoration last fall and the owner wanted RadCals. Honestly I thought they were a pretty good product. I’m not crazy about super shiny surfaces that show off every fingerprint (the brass plated lockdown bar gives me hives…I would have to keep a microfiber cloth nearby at all times, lol), but the decals themselves were pretty nice.

Again - it’s a pity that his playfields seem untrustworthy, because the print quality and overall look of his stuff is nice. I don’t know why the guy can’t act like a grown up when there are quality control things to address. If the cost of replacing defective merchandise is gonna jeopardize the business, either he needs to figure out what’s going wrong that there are that many defects in the first place, or he needs a business partner who can manage the financials. Because if defects are not common, then replacing those items and keeping good relations with your customer base should be the obvious thing to do.

Wow, how can any reasonable person look at that AFM PF and say Mirco isn't a complete crook? I have an INDY pf from him still in the crate that looks good.. but after watching this, no way I am installing without a professional clear. Unbelievable indeed.

Today at Allentown i saw 2 CV playfields for sale, good price at 600, asked if they were Mirco, the answer was yes my answer was no thanks, been there done that, no way im doing all that work and using his products,Ever!

See any WH2O?

Got the WH2O RadCal replacement pieces. Look flawless. I'd say that's a win for those of us looking for good customer service

Regarding playfields in general, will a clear get a hairline scratch if you scratch it with your nail, or is that too soft? I'm not sure what to expect with a clear coat and wondering what are some general musts that help you tell if you have a top notch product, or subpar one?

The ink and clear chipped off my Whirlwind playfield in about 25 plays or less (in 4 different places on the playfield). Then was told this was none of his fault. So, I classify my experience as sub par. I still have plenty of pictures of the playfield and every one of my email communications with him... Just to remind me to NEVER send Micro a nickle ever again.. The parts supplier made it right on their own dime. So, I was most certainly made whole at the end of the day. Just wasted a shitload of time dealing with ding dong.

I AM really glad your experience was different and you have a quality product. Nothing better!! Thanks for the update!

Cheers sir!

I do think the radcals have been a better experience. My ij were great. However my friend hated his totan ones and Mirco just gave him the old “it’s like that in the original films” routine.

Avoid Mirco if at all possible.

Makes decals... restores faith in his business. Sigh

Ya say away from Mirco most things really suck and he never does anything about it

No chance for us. Ever. This thread is not about stickers, it is about playfields.
Maybe Mirco can use one of his fake profiles to start a thread about how good his decals are.

My White Water RadCals blue was so far from the originals that I never put them on!

I used rad cals for a virtual pin I built and themed as a ST:TNG. They are nice and shiny and look good for the most part, but the light blue color was mismatched between the left and right cabinet decals.

Didn’t bother me enough not to install them on the vpin, but I would never use these on a real machine. Way too many complaints about color accuracy, and my experience is consistent with those complaints.

Well, if anyone ever gets a WH2O playfield from Mirco and regrets it, please send it my way I’ll cover the shipping cost, haha. I’d love to have the full WH2O Mirco set

Regarding playfields in general, will a quality clear coat still get an extremely fine hairline scratch if you scratch it with your nail, or is that clear coat too soft?

Use the gallery. Read this thread. It's pretty obvious you won't read what is right in front of you.

I installed a WH20 playfield last year. It seemed pretty flawless. That said, it wasn’t my machine and I haven’t seen it since October, so I have no idea whether it still looks mint or has or will develop any issues.

Could be I got one of the good ones. I didn’t know the history before starting the project. I probably would have ordered it anyway just because the playfield was really really bad, and AFAIK nobody else makes that playfield currently. But if I’d known then what I know now, I would have been nervous about it.

It’s a crapshoot. Maybe scuff sand and put on an additional topcoat, but I honestly don’t see where that helps if the issue has to do with poor adhesion from the base layer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I ended up acquiring a beautiful NOS AFM playfield this past weekend. I've had feelers out for a couple years, so I can't imagine that there's too many of those left that are still kicking around. Paid more for it than a repro, but considering that I won't have to roll the dice on a Mirco playfield failure or deal with the (lack of) support, it's worth it to me.

I shouldn't have to feel like I need to do this.

Too soft.

Perfect. Thank you for answering that. Rationale for asking and wanting an answer: pieces of playfield are used to hold RadCals, and I wanted to know if that clear coat is the same as a playfield. Probably won’t know for sure if it’s a viable clear coated product or just scrap, but gave me an idea of what a new coat might look like. It lightly scratches, but again could be an unfinished product.

RadCals can't/won't have clear coat unless you put it on the cabinet AFTER installing them. (Like a Spooky Butter Cabinet)
At best those stickers have a varnish put on by the UV Printer which isn't a clear coat. More likely they put a clear film on the art to project it. At worse; they do neither.

radcals are plastic with the art on the backside of the plastic. It's basically same thing as hard-tops... but obviously for the cabinet

That's a weird product. So are they super thin then? I'd be very concerned with legs crushing something like that. Or damage due to moving.

Regardless; thanks for educating me.

The radcals are notched out where the legs attach.

Zitt heres a recent TZ done with rad cals.

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The RadCals are packaged in a large, flat box with long, wood rails that are from the manufacturing process for playfields. There is a clear coat on the wood of these long rails in the package. I've gotten 2 sets from getting a flawless, complete set of RadCals. I was just wondering about some of the properties of a clear coat, as I was testing some things out from earlier in this thread on these wood rails.

Not thin, but thick.