Even wilder when you consider they had five months to get this rollout ready after trying and failing to get the game ready for Expo 22.

Sincere question: Do Haggis playfields dimple?

I agree with PF, a different style, which is what I’m looking for like GTF and GF

When you are fortunate enough to have 20+ pins and a lot of really good ones, just looking for different now

Has to be a great theme for me to buy Stern again. Like Bond.

It’s a model that works for them so can’t blame em.

Like you said, lots of choices for everybody is a good thing!

Did AP discuss which models would be manufactured first. If so, is there an estimate on when they will begin rolling out?

Just got back from TPF

GTF has an uphill battle to fight but not because of the product itself.

The most crowded release period since the golden era of pin. If it were only two new games at this show it would have had hour waits like PF did. But AP put a lot of those games around the show… including one in a van heading to our location right now

The pin will probably be perceived as ‘harder’ than the other new titles. Its not that shots are so tight or rattle, just a big bash toy in middle and maybe not as much going on if you just flail around. This isn’t JJP where things rain on you every breath.

The cow target looks so neat in person. The playfield as a whole looks interesting, but a bit harder to identify shots that are more towards the back like the mission start. Inserts help a ton.

Obviously in the show, sound is an issue… the music is fun, but not exactly sure on the meshing of the different retro elements. This is not cuphead etc. the lcd presentation looks sharp and wayyyy more polished than early ap games. Hot wheels maybe better in some elements, but overall people are going to like what they see on the lcd.

The center post mech seemed to have a lot of mechanical issues. This sandwich of parts vs a molded piece might be a poor choice.

The game feels very complete and polished for walking up to it. This is no box of lights release.

I think if AP had not botched their reveal video the mob sentiment would be way different on this game. It looks like it has good potential. So the question is… will casuals play it?

The way FMV is used is far more tasteful then the reels they stressed in the reveal video. They really dug themselves a hole with that.

Game should be at Ocelot by next weekend we hope

i can't believe the tank on the playfield is 3d printed

Anyone who played this have any feedback on the flipper setup? Wider than normal? Did you have a chance to use the posts underneath? Could you deadbounce into those lanes? Are the lanes coded?

Welcome to clear coated playfields.

The reason AP pins are lower in resale price is because they are all still rolling off the assembly lines. And they are lower cost and better equipped than all of Stern Premiums. The reason why most other pins have skyrocketed is because they are not available anymore or impossible to get. Duh.

The experience was different of course. Didn’t feel big gap… but there was some chances for unusual bounces with those posts

The flipper setup didn’t stand out to me in play as a detriment

That's just not reality. Almost all stern games in production are selling for near retail value. True, demand is so high that 500 games a week for them isn't enough, but Deadpool, Jurassic park, and iron maiden runs are coming up soon. Used sells for more than new!

Then why aren’t these sold out already? Duh.

Ah, Stern pinballs - a perfect example of consistent efficiency but lacking a touch of creative flair in the playfield department.

Stern's approach feels somewhat formulaic, producing games that, although reliable, are missing that distinct "character" and "heart." It's as if they've streamlined their design process to a repetitive routine...

I don't disagree about Stern's offerings, but it doesn't change that AP's put themselves in a position where lots of people might have bought without playing, to forcing people to play it first to decide. I mean, at the end of the day, I think that's what we should do for every game, but I think you really gotta wow people with an unlicensed theme to get them to open their pocketbooks blindly. We were wow'd...for a period of time.

Unlicensed games that aren't limited don't create enough FOMO. What's the harm in waiting to play it first?

Uhh not in the new guard

Keith’s work and now jack’s foo fighters have all excelled at “kinetic satisfaction” where just seeing how the ball moves and shoots is varied and exciting on it’s own.

Literally you’d have fun watching just the ball on foo fighters without any software

I’m certain this has been covered somewhere in here but I’m a casual in this thread so…when are these shipping? If soon I might grab one as I have two holes in my lineup while I wait (a long time) for Scooby and Pulp Fiction. If I can get one of these right away I might just go for it. I’m sure my location players will want to spend some time on it.

They're making them now, supposedly. They're doing LE until SE parts come in, then doing those, then back to LEs. Fix was adamant that all the SE/LEs get built first. Then onto deluxe. I guess the good thing for Deluxe buyers is .. how many LEs are they really gonna sell? So maybe in a month or so they'll be onto deluxe?

Um after I posted this I see an ad "WANTED: ATF SE". Maybe that guy just didn't look around, but Impressive if they actually sold out

Flipper gap is normal. The posts were definitely used. You can deadbounce...but the rubber they used was EXTREMELY bouncy. Playing around with the flippers was not recommended at the show. The lanes are coded.

The game was tons of fun, and I think it will be an underrated hit. A lot of people don't like how they rolled it out. Understandable. It was truly impressive in person, however. I don't care about the rollout blunders. That's the past. This game is GOOD.

IIf I had one complaint, it would be the air balls. The tank in the middle can be hit so hard that the ball goes flying causing air balls and dimples. I'm not sure if mylar is the answer, but this will absolutely have to be addressed moving forward.

Or turn the flippers down. The two games I got to play on GTF definitely seemed like the flippers were cranked up. Thought it was weird since usually everything is turned down or sluggish due to coil heat/power issues at the venue. I backhanded the left ramp twice.

That's impressive. Most people couldn't hit the ramp whatsoever. Backhanding it seemed almost impossible.

What did they do?

Weak flippers has been a Convention Problem since Forever.
So many games pulling juice.. they probably jacked up the power for the show.
Game looks great.

It is absolutely backhand-able.

So, looking at Cointakers website, Classic editions with price TBD are coming later this year... What the hell are the differences between Deluxe and Classic? if it's just "magic glass" and a shaker, would sign up for the lowest tiered game... But if there's more, I might go for the deluxe... this has to be one of the worst releases in pinball history... cool game, shitty roll out...

Shaker, knocker, glass, art blades, light bars. I imagine all of that adds up to nearly a grand ala carte

So why not price it? It really does look like a good shooter. But the crappy teasers, misspelled promo material, and lack of feature matrix for a game in production and for sale irritate me... It really does look like a good shooter, but the way they have released this is turning me off...

With most everyone’s hopes dashed in various ways I feel that AP marketing truly believes in equal opportunity disappointment…

So why were used JP premiums that were two years old selling for more than a new premium? And same with GZ. AP pins are not in great demand. Truth hurts. Houdini deluxe didn’t sell here even at $6400. Non licensed themes just are not in high demand.

Again AP games DID NOT go up in value with the big price bump for games. Can’t deny that even though they are still in production. People just don’t want them as much as stern.

I had a blast playing GTF this weekend. Super fun game! All editions have the exact same playfield/rules. The signature and limited editions have the “tank” cabinet and the other one or two have the traditional caninet. The design team seemed super passionate about the game in one-on-one discussions. Very cool game imo.

Except there is one more "tier" of game they have yet to clarify pricing or features for, but yet, they have authorized their distributors to sell. Again, game looks good, and I want them to succeed, but the GTF rollout has been amateur hour...

Scroll to the unpriced, and unfeatured "classic":

https://cointaker.com/products/galactic-tank-force-le-editon---deposit-only

No

But if you look at the CT website... It's supposed to include blades, light bars, a shaker, knocker, and magic glass? So what's the difference?

https://cointaker.com/products/galactic-tank-force-le-editon---deposit-only
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I only have my Fathom Mermaid as a reference, but while it is true that the field seems bullet proof and looks awesome, there is also a definite difference in feel about it. I think the ball slides more, maybe the friction coefficient is just lower and it seems to slide more. Love it on my specific game, but I am not sure I would like it across the board.

Or, and this is a definite possibility, it could all be just in my head.

You are wrong. They have not authorized anyone to sell a "classic".

That info is obviously wrong.

Basically they have 3 models for now..and they say they will probably have a classic later. They have not finalized If, when, what, or how much yet..

If you'd like to see how they did it last time, look at dates/pricing/info on LoV models. We can assume it might be similar. I doubt classic or even info about it is coming anytime in the next 6 months though.

You've made like 4 posts just in the last several minutes about this. I hope you can come to terms with this info.

All the CT people were at the show working the whole time. Same with the American Pinball people. Maybe give them a couple days to get the details out?

Looks like the Deluxe and Classic descriptions got partly mixed up?

It's not mentioned anywhere else - the simple assumption would be that that information is still to come.

Also, in this last post you forgot to mention how the GTF rollout has been awful, terrible, and amateur hour. Don't give up now!

Way to be a jerk about a game you are clearly passionate for... My point is only, I might be a buyer, but only at a certain price point/feature trade off... How do you know "its obviously wrong"?

CT, at least, FWIW, is selling FOUR models...

yeah its not great because I was at full stretch because and the gimble I was using was acting weird all weekend, annoyingly tonight its working fine. hopefully still useful for some. The roof parts shouldn't have even been recorded - apologies again!

Is the "Classic" a Stern pro with missing toys and features? Or is it cosmetic stuff I can live without? Congrats to those of you who are sold on the other features, I am not, and am legitimately inquiring based on info I am seeing from legitimate distributors, and missing from AP which might influence a buying decision?

No one knows because they haven't made a final decision about it. I would not rely on CT's page for your info...go to Ap's site, which lists it as not available yet. In their seminar, they just said 'they may release a classic version later' and not much other detail.

So, my point remains about the crappy rollout... Why tease a "maybe," and why allow distributors to sell something that may not be made if price is TBD? Maybe this is just a CT issue, but they didn't come up with the idea on their own?

Is this equivalent to Stern "teasing" a home edition? Or a Pro? I want AP to be very successful with this release, and these things matter to me, a potential buyer... I would think it would matter to deluxe buyers as well; if the classic does come to fruition with similar features to the deluxe at a lower price point, would it not matter???

You're not saying anything that many others haven't said throughout this thread. Their communication has been less than stellar.

But again, let's say you aren't interested in the tank cab... Why buy a Deluxe if they will release a classic with the same features but different art? They are killing their own sales... (well, at least one sale, namely me...)

If you like the tank cab... cool. I get it. I'll come to your place and tell you it's bad ass... But I'm not going to pay extra for it... Why is everyone giving a manufacturer a pass because they are excited for a title? I'm exited too--why I am considering buying it--but why are you Deluxe buyers giving a pass to a "classic" with potentially the same features at a lower price point?

Crappy rollout or not, all ongoing controversy aside, this game interests me the most of all the new releases. I will probably be in on it because it’s the most unique of them all.

While almost certainly not intentional, and while I’m sure they would have loved to sell out on day 1, I’m not sure their terrible marketing will hurt them that much in the long run. Might have even ironically helped. Hey at least they didn’t do a Deeproot “you have 24 hours to put your order in or else”. That would have been the only page they left out of the bad marketing playbook.

They won’t release a classic if you ask me…

I doubt we will get any info on that soon unless the initial purchases of LE and Deluxes comes in under expectations.

It may never come out … you could easily take the price of the deluxe and subtract the items to make it a classic.

It would be near Stern pro pricing not much below - maybe $100-200 difference.

If sales slow over time then you would see a classic…

It will be in the market at market prices.

I personally think this game will be their best selling game by a mile. But what do I know…

Their other pins that have Classic/Deluxe models are around $400-$500 cheaper for the Classic. So expect to lose the Magic Glass, Shaker, Knocker, side rails, and the pin stadium style lighting if you want to wait for a Classic and save a couple hundred bucks. Imo the Deluxe is the best value/option for this pin.