Safecracker called and it wants its unlicensed theme in a novelty cabinet that no one wanted back.

Actually, theme and art look good, but that cabinet……wtf were they thinking? I don’t understand. We know Dennis likes his unusual cabinets, but no one else cares. Homers car is on the money.

And what’s with the flip up bottom flap? Will there be a mini version of the game you can play with just that lifted up?

I’m assuming it will come in a normal cabinet option? Hopefully that version is not stripped back and still has everything else on the playfield.

I guess it gets attention if nothing else.

Why would anyone fold the backbox down if not moving it? It’s a PIA doing it at the best of times.

There’s a lot up the top half of the pf with 2 narrow shots to get up there. Not really feeling the layout on first impression. Gameplay would help.

Even if the targets lowered like AFM, just to open up the top half. Honestly, pop nests are useless at the best of times, but why have those in the game at all. Definitely need to see gameplay. Maybe the ship does something?

Here’s a better pic. Actually the top pf is more open than I thought from the earlier pics. There’s 2 shots to the right - they look narrow though. And the middle target bank doesn’t look so big.FF5AB960-1D17-49BD-97D1-9900202EDB60 (resized).jpeg

So the worlds ice cream supplies are threatened by cow abducting aliens?

Any chance you lock balls from the back of the tank tank-ship then they spill out the top to start multiball Aerosmith style? Hope so.

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It’s only 1/2 a planet with a mirror, so likely just a static sculpt.

Another option is the targets under the shiptank lower AFM style allowing access through the ship to the upkicker top left.

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So that lock is fed by the upper left vuk. How do we get balls in there? Either the target bank lowers or open a shot up there, hopeful but doesn’t look too likely given the targets don’t look like they’d lower, or there’s a diverter/up post up there to drop the ball into the vuk. Or the left ramp lifts which also doesn’t look too likely. But there looks to be some green arrows under the ramp? Or are they just on the ramp decal?

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Something must feed the upper lanes and the pops. I think the left look has a divertor/up post that either drops into the pops or the saucer for the vuk. You missed the far right look also. Likely it feeds the pops also.

Surely that’s just for the tank version. Would really suck if the normal version had other gameplay features stripped so you were forced to buy the tank if you wanted the full game.

The tank roams around your game room on it's real tank treads, using it's HD camera and multiple Tesla designed sensors, looking for someone to play it. When it finds someone it shoots nerf bullets at them then raises its back box, dispenses a gelato and sais "play me human". At night it roams around being inappropriate to an unsuspecting row of Stern LE's trying to get some sleep.

That pretty much sums up the hopes and dreams of this thread?

Just catching up on the past 32 pages. Is the head motorized?

Great. I’m looking for innovation in pinball.

Reveal Wed March 22nd.
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I think there’s heaps of room. Modern games actually sit a fair way out from the wall. Looks to be far enough to accommodate the tank head/gelato maker.
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I thought I read somewhere the pleasure cannon can do reacharounds, even while the head is up.

Had to look up Goodwins Law. Was going to say that given long enough, everything on the internet is porn, references porn, or ends up as porn.

Ha, that's a thing also. Learnt alot today.

The final word on this matter......

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Video assets aside, from the little bit of gameplay we've seen, and the layout in general, it looks pretty pedestrian. Nothing jumping out at me. As someone said, like a system 11 simplicity which is fine. Tank doesn't look like it does much - It shakes and im assuming the lid pops up for something, but I dont think it interacts with the ball much. The ball lock is cool, but pretty standard. And the UFO vari-target is ok. Controllable divertor - John Borg sais hold my beer.

Maybe a full gameplay vid will change that, though I doubt it.

And I really don't like the save posts at the end of the flippers. Standard main flippers are sacred IMO. Dont like the pop up plastic thing either.

Love the wireform nest. Really love the art and the theme is good.

The planet does not explode any more than the tank head shoots ice cream cones. It's a 1/2 planet on a mirror making it look whole. Maybe it has some lights on it.

The colour looks so different in the vid.

And no screw!!!!

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Easily the best version of the game IMO.

PF FTW IMO!

Of this whole crazy experiment, this is the bit I really dislike. There's almost a whole separate game in that flipper area alone. Might be just personal bias, but I hate when games f*ck around with traditional Italian bottoms (oh my). Banana flippers, up posts, metal drain posts, double flippers, non standard gaps. Here we have double metal drain posts, with twin drain lanes with extra wide flipper gap and a humungous pop up disc in one game. Just one of those would be too much for me. Might be ok on location, at a show, or at the PHOF for a few plays when you're looking for something novel, but no way I could play this regularly in my home collection.

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No, but I've played enough games with non standard flipper setups to know I don't like it.

You may love it though. I'm not saying it's a mistake - just it's not for me.

That's got to be wider?
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Have to admit though, the posts being well behind the flippers makes them not as intrusive as others. Say like WNBJ

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Of course, those posts are there to be played. Whether it's fun to play is subjective.

Also, those posts were from a different era with different style of gameplay. Not sure how well they'll translate to modern, faster games and full size flippers.

Is the double post setup a first for full sized flippers?

I’m ok with wider flipper gap tbh, actually liked it on GB, but this looked even wider for the sake of fitting the posts in. But you could be right- might be an optical illusion more than anything. And the posts being under the flipper won’t be as bad as I originally thought. Be interesting to see how it feels. Definitely need to play it before buying one though (novel idea for us in Australia).

For all the pre launch rumour and hype that this thing was a "packed world under glass", I'm not seeing it on the playfield. Maybe they meant the tank was a "packed world outside the glass". A great art package and some nice wireforms makes it seem packed, but other than that....meh.

Actually, there is almost a whole world under glass just around the flippers.

For me GF surprised on the upside and PF was always going to be an insta-buy even if it was a bagatelle. FF was the biggest no to go turnaround in pinball history. GTF is just like an overhyped balloon slowly deflating for me. Being last to announce during this March Madness, and doing it poorly, was always going to be a tough ask. Not to say it's a bad game, but for me it's the bottom of the pile now. It's just another game. Of course I could be blown away when I actually get to play one, but that could be 2-3 years down here.

Who makes AP's playfields?

Nice.

I think the 300 layers just refers to the complexity of the drawing itself - nothing to do with the lenticular process. Because the image is so jam packed with elements, it means a lot of layers in whatever illustration software he is using.

Franchi’s art is the best part of this game IMO. All of it. Stern’s huge loss (and they could use some more variety).

Speculation earlier on that there was or wasn’t a magnet in front of the tank - confirmed there is a magnet….. see above ^^^ vid at about 1m26s….

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And the flipper setup looked OK in actual gameplay. Anyone work out what’s happening with the lanes under the flippers?

That’s actually a cool idea - the tank catches a ball there and it’s a shield for the tank until you knock it off.

I realize you’re trying to justify your picks for March Madness Ice, but flow-monster this ain’t. And the jury is out on how much awesomeness there is in the LCD.

Lots of action close relatively close to the flippers, plus magnets. But it’s good to have some balance….even flow monsters get boring after a while.

All I see on Foo is plenty of new interesting shots and some innovative toys. And leagues above AS animations.

And shitloads of FLOW. I think you picked the wrong Stern game to skip IceT. Hopefully you can pick one up down the road to replace GTFO LE when you realise you’ll never even see the tank folded down except on the day you unbox it and the day you sell it.

Not aware of any manufacturer using particle board cabs at the moment? Only Stern home pins but they’re significantly cheaper than any other game on the market.

Anyone who played this have any feedback on the flipper setup? Wider than normal? Did you have a chance to use the posts underneath? Could you deadbounce into those lanes? Are the lanes coded?

What did they do?

My 2 pet hates in pinball....3d printing and non standard flipper setups.

In fairness, Stern have been relying on the aftermarket community forever - whether it be for toys to replace the plastics or filling shortcomings in licensed audio/video - to the point Gomez has said on streams "I'm sure you guys will figure out something for that" (or words to that effect).

Like the marketing campaign?

Wifeguement for the win!!!

Keeping it classy Pinside.

Yeh, I’m pretty sure every pinball wife took a step down from Chris Hemsworth.

Gameplay looked fine. Shots were a bit limited. Same strategy you use on AFM or TNA - don't shoot the tank unless in multiball. Left ramp shot ok - most of the rejects I saw were just missed shots.

A decent stream on launch would have saved so much grief for AP. Not something I'm interested in buying, but will be fun to play on location.

Except Spooky.

Ive used the spray on automotive clear before on the 3dp b66 batcave mod and that helped alot. Doesent completely eliminate the ridges, but certainly makes it smoother and glossier.

Exactly. JJP just proved there was a market for higher quality games with more in them. Turns out they didn’t put prices up enough and almost went under from underpricing WOZ.

Haha. She wouldn’t step that far down.

Finally Ice , you found your soulmate.

The theme doesn’t suit the super brutal gameplay IMO. TNA works mostly because of the kick ass music and the gameplay whilst brutal, has some interesting elements and cool moments - it keeps you on your toes but it’s workable. Iron Man works because it’s Iron Man, and you could combo those ramps for days. Plus the monger comes and goes.

Love a tough game but I’ve got to want to fight it. That tank is so in your face, and even the ufo target is brutal. I’m not seeing such satisfying shots to balance it out or good music and I don’t really care about fighting a fictional tank for ice cream and fudge.

Do you have to hit each specific target or does a hit to any register as a hit to all?

Yeh, an "avoid at all cost" bash toy is an oxymoron. Particularly odd when it is the main/only "interactive" toy in the game.

Doesn't fit in with my argument tho.

The UFO is pretty cool - good value add to an old moving target. Even it seemed surprisingly punishing in the stream, though at least it is off to the side.

Added to my astute analysis, I'm going to propose that the fact that the curve is concave makes it more avoidable-at-all-costs. If they were convex or straight or straight but angled or slightly off centre, a hit to the side targets could have been "safe".

That could be all horse-fudge as I'm not an engineer. Send it to Professor Plotnik's lab for testing ASAP!

I think most people here are talking fudge about a pinball machine, an inanimate object, not making rude and personal attacks on the people involved. I agree that personal attacks outside of that are uncalled for and childish and the way employees like Ferret interact is appreciated and appropriate for an online forum designed specifically to discuss pinball machines.

Like this rule allot.

Got a funny feeling he can’t.

lol

I think if he'd used any other game to compare than Foo Fighters it would have sounded at least half way legit (except maybe Pulp Fiction). As flynnibus sais, FF has been out for a while longer, plus it's everywhere, plus everyone know it will be everywhere. GTF is earning because it's the rare novelty game at the moment. I'm pretty sure Pinball Circus is one of the best performing games at PHOF (when it's working). Doesn't mean the game is any good nor was it a sales success.

GTF is the best
selling pinball game
that turns into a tank

Is that even a haiku?