I finally played GTF at LITT in Minneapolis. Loved the music and the lights. Didn’t hate the layout, it was ok. Clips I saw weren’t as cringe as the release video.

I think people that buy it will defend it. People that aren’t buying can tell you exactly why.

My only concern is how the game will hold up and is it better than other option in the market now. I’m interested to see how it performs over the next 6-8 months and when they’ll be available/how fast production will be and if they end up sitting at distros.

Trying to get back on topic, hopefully a decent playing /functioning GTF machine or two will be at the Allentown Pinball Show in a few weeks. I’m excited to play it.

3 O'clock High is one of my favorite movies.

if going through all this trouble should they redesign the playfield a bit too?? maybe replace the tank targets with a ramp to... i dunno man.

#saveTheCows
#saveFranchisArt

There were two machines at pinbrew. One of them I saw had a moving target on the right with the cow, but both machines would lock a ball and never acknowledge the ball was in the lock, then never ball search to clear the ball. Essentially forcing you to power cycle the game.

It honestly made the games unplayable and frankly was just down right embarrassing. Additionally, when the game arrived to the show day 1, one of the machines plunger and housing was so loose, that it would not plunge the ball. Not really sure how it didn’t fall off. It was that bad.

I mean sure, we’ve all seen stuff T shows, but come on, you’re promoting a game that is nothing but a box of lights with worse underdeveloped code releases than stern.

Kaneda got the death penalty here and he more than earned it. Even he admits to that. And love them or hate them, the Moderators deserve our respect for finally dropping the hammer.

And I agree with you, other Pinsiders need to go just as badly.

As a supporter of Kaneda's Podcast, I'm glad he's permanently banned here and if he ever returned, I'd probably quit Pinside.

That said, I like him and find him entertaining and informative. At the same time, I also disagree with many of his opinions and he often makes me roll my eyes.

But he's isolated to his podcast that people have to pay each month to listen too. What more can his haters legitimately expect?

Oops. Back on topic.

I liked GTF a lot but not enough to buy it. Maybe later, donno.

I witnessed him on KLOV back in the day… I will never burn one brain cell listening to anything associated.

But to each their own. Nice to have choices where to tune in.

I am also on KLOV. The collectors there even hate him more than the ones on Pinside.

Oh I certainly dont “hate” the guy… I mean its freaking pins and video games for goodness sakes. Just like everyone..grew weary of the attitude and drama. Kinda created the drama to promote “the brand” imo.

If I have the choice….I choose “no” in this case.

Anyway totally derailing the GTF talk. Getting back on topic.

I wonder if they tweaked the center targets in front of the tank to more of a crescent or slight semi circle it wouldnt be an insta drain 92% of the time?

As noted by, well, everyone basically…its just a shame to avoid the MAIN thing on the playfield to even remotely enjoy (advance) the game. Its perplexing to me how the layout even made it this FAR down the line??

Love the over the top campiness, the art of course, and not that concerned about the 3D toys…but certainly not gonna drop nine G’s on a pin that you can only use half the playfield!

They should just redo the center get rid of those stand up targets have some drops or maybe one of those targets that they have on Foo Fighters that launches the ball back to the flippers

Aside from the center targets, everything else on the game looks great

Love it or leave it. I’m buying it and will be leaving this cesspool in 2 weeks for the owners thread.

I just don't understand how they didn't catch this stuff during testing.

It's interesting They said that TPF was so many games there just had never put that many games on one to find those issues? How many games could they have gotten in 3 days at TPF? 500? They also said they've had one at their factory/office for a long time and encouraged people to play it. Design had existed for years? But it never got enough plays to bend the targets? Nobody wanted to play it even when it was sitting there to play for free I guess?

Wouldn't that be the goal for testing ... to put max plays on 1 single machine.
I mean, how else are you going to find failures?

Well I think we know the answer to that one.
Initially had Rush scoop issues, ACNC servo and board issues, friend had Halloween servo and board issues. Stranger Things Demogorgan shot itself.
On and on. No manufacturer immune.
Fun games but none seem to get real stress testing until on location or in homes.

A typical game at TPF will gain 500-600 over an entire weekend (depending on game difficulty - so Scooby probably got around 400). They noticed the issue on day one of TPF....

He also got kicked off the Dodge Challe ger forum i used to frequent. How does that happen?

This thread is funny. I am not normally too critical on Pinside, but when I saw NeilMcRae giving glowing early reviews from TPF I was shocked. How could I be there right next to him (basically) playing the same games and have such a different take? I then saw many folks on here saying there were "in" that weren't at TPF so I felt compelled to share my experience to give some additional perspective.

Since then with a couple more shows, the opinions of the game have balanced out with both good and bad. Have they shipped any games besides the show games?

These things kinds of design defects are common across the manufacturers. On Rush, many people experienced a completely mangled scoop on their first day of play. It's also been having node board issues. Plus there were a number of switches that were not registering due to airballs jumping over switches. The mod community came through but I had to spend additional dollars to fix the various issues on the Stern playfield.

I don't know what test fixtures AP uses to pound the playfield but they're not perfect testing devices. The test fixtures I've seen are a single ball being shot from the same angle and speed 1,000s of times. But a different angle could easily stress the mechanicals differently and produce a different result and therefore not catch the defect during testing. Not letting AP off the hook here - they need to learn and adapt to improve quality in future releases but quality issues are hardly isolated to AP.

Kaneda is giving Iceman head noogies on his podcast, which even his biggest haters love him for.

It's the yin and yang of Kaneda

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With limited space and money - it's hard to justify GTF when there are so many better choices no matter how you look at it.

Ice has a big collection so he can have a GTF in the arcade and it's not a big deal.

I played a GTF last night and really enjoyed it. It’s all preference in pinball but it does feel pretty unique and in my opinion, the best looking game I’ve seen. It was my first time playing Foo Fighters, scooby doo and Godfather but I found myself going back to GTF more than the others. All good games though. I wonder when these will start making their way to homes.

Idk if you’ve played it that’s cool.
Appreciate what AP brings with it versus other offerings. Opinions are strong which is great but it won’t ultimately impact my decision.

Kandea is my favorite ... he preaches how he makes nothing personal and why can't we just talk about pinball while spewing out personal attacks and talking about everything but pinball ... so entertaining to watch

I'll have an SE NIB when it ships if anyone is interested in purchase or trades. Message me.

I started thinking about the lack of play testing by AP, and it hit me. Maybe AP play tested the shit out of these games and the games passed? In other words, one must define the goals of play testing here. I mean if being able to hit switches and get a score and occasionally lift the hood to free a stuck ball is the only goal, then yea the game is bloody, brilliant. But we can all see that nobody would be stupid enough to use that criteria, right?

But Neil McRae giving glowing reviews of GTF! from TPF was the straw that broke the camels back and ruined his credibility for discussing pins.

Congrats on winning the project pinball machine - good for you!

Crazy you want to trade it right away....

Second that! Totally underrated.

Maybe after this game is built in numbers someone will get sick of it and pursue another Nordman classic like my Stern Pirates and I can do a trade.

I played GTF and liked it. I would keep my eye out for a Deluxe...

I have forced my own hand into eating the deposit on GTF deluxe. Ran out of pinball money on games I know I like.

In a couple of years if GTF turns out to be a great game and I find one and enjoy it will definitely trade it sell a pin to get it. Really hoping that happens!

It's a cool game, but I have a few must haves I still need in my collection.

Congrats on the big win - you must be stoked, you will get to trade that for something so that is free money towards a wish list game. Like Sorokyl said above your post getting a machine you know you will like is a priority, no one has unlimited space. Foo Fighters shoots well and has great art I would love to own that, Pulp Fiction is cool but is probably 6 months to a year off. So...lots of cool stuff out there....free money to you.

If I had something you wanted and we were not on opposite coasts I would trade....the tank skin is a novelty but it would be cool in the right game room.

I am jealous....

This thread use to be fun. What happened to all of the cow and dairy jokes?
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There’s a lot of milking of this game’s rocky road

They just evaporated.

They all dried up.

"To err is human, to Moo is bovine"

to match the lunchbox and thermos, how about a GTF umbrella in case of sprinkles?

Our favorite Texan should really be defending this game while screaming "remember the à la mode"

Ok now that’s funny…

These ^^^^^ should be posted in the SD thread as well.

Dad joke ice-cream
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Haven't checked this thread in a while...man what a shit show. Definitely gave me a few good laughs today though.

How dare you like all those games! Don't you know where you are?!

It is a pity that AP obviously does not take care of their (returning) customers: wrote them an email 4 weeks ago with some
question(s) that are relevant for my order. Radio silence/no answer/no nothing. Well that is something I have never experienced from one of the manufacturers and I‘ve nearly bought from them all. That (no) reaction is way below Heighway Pinball and that means something…

One of my friends is having an issue with a GTF that he purchased. AP told him that they would have an answer on last Monday,4/17. AP have not gotten back to him yet and today is 4/20. He does not want to play any additional games on his GTF until AP gives him an answer to his issue. He does not want to make it any worst than it currently is.