I ordered two sets for this reason, a 3 flipper set for Tron, and a 2 flipper set for Sunset riders which is an Eight Ball retheme. If i'm as impressed as i think i will be there'll be a bunch more on my horizon.

1956PINHEAD you should reach out to Nino at Ride the Boney Beast here in Australia. They are a premium parts supplier and handle OS orders for us on things like CPR playfields and backglasses, Ramp O Matic ramps and all the other US companies and modders that are worth supporting. Means we can either prorder with them and they worry about the bulk shipping or we can order out of their stock on a lot of things.

https://www.rtbb.com.au/

Top mount servicing seems like a real game changer in design. I am curious about how this functions exactly, it appears like there are grooves on the top of the post, are these just artifacts of the photo, or are they part of the adjustment? If so, are there times where you would still need to adjust from the bottom due to degrees of accuracy?.. or is it more of a mechanical fit, just held enough by the larger screw and the precision of the fit?

Just ordered a set, very excited to test play these in the arcade.

Just installed a batch 2 3 flipper+bushings set in my ST:TNG. Very easy process, but I particularly enjoy being able to tweak up the flipper angle without lifting up the playfield

I was nervous about how bare silver would look (John doesn't have anodized white available), but I think it looks fantastic in the TNG. Just posted the high score on the machine, so enjoying the placebo effect very much

Next: install the 3 flipper+bushings set in my Godzilla LE!

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Got my flippers yesterday, installed them on Godzilla late last night. Came home from work and was greeted with my 11 year old son's review:

"Dad, these new flippers are awesome!!! I got saucer attack multiball!!! I can't wait until you install them on Jurassic Park so I can finally show that game who's boss."

Why is the right one a tweak lower than the left ?

LTG : )

I’ve been playing with the fine angle differences to see how it impacts hitting different ramps. I ended up dropping the left a notch and beat my high score

I can't wait to get mine!

I noticed that green sold out first. I'm wondering if it was popular for some reason or if they just made less of them since it's a less popular color? A lot of Godzilla owners out there getting green maybe?

Camera angle makes it look more pronounced.

I'd say ease of flipper angle adjustment has been the most obvious benefit that I've seen so far. I am feeling more repeatability on shots, but getting flipper angle dialed in (without having to wrestle the clamp nut every time) has been pretty impactful so far.

Adjusting flipper angles is enough of a PITA usually that once flipper angles are close I just deal with it. This is MUCH more nuanced/easy to tweak

Decisions decisions...

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Fits gz so well! And , they feel great.

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Tough one...i'm leaning towards green for the contrast against the playfield below it.

After ~1500 games with stock flippers+rubbers, swapped both of them on IMDN. Wow do they feel snappy. Will take some adjustment. I should have at least gotten used to the perfect play rubbers. That extra bounce is killer when the ball is ejected out of the underworld and unto the flipper. I let my wife pick the color combinations in this game. Really happy with the look and performance on them.

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Did the lower flippers on Rick and Morty tonight. I'll do the upper flipper tomorrow.

I can't give a serious review with only a couple games in, but I was repeatedly nailing the left ramp with ease. That doesn't happen usually for me.

Love how easy they are to adjust from the top.

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Are people who are using these adding the oil/lube/whatever was recommended toward the early part of the thread or not?

In my instructions I'm recommending one drop of 3-In-One type oil be applied to the shaft at the bronze sleeve locations at initial installation. While not required it will help to reduce wear and extend the life of the components over time.

I did because I happened to have the 3in1 oil that the is recommended in the instructions the latest ones shipped with. Says it will reduce wear and increase longevity, but honestly If I didn't have it on hand id probably have just not worried about it

I did, but I'm also using the original bushing design.

As I lifted the playfield on my Godzilla the tube of Magnalube caught my eye, so I used a very light film of it.

Just posted this in the Godzilla thread too but here is a video of the play in my bushing on my brand new pro, excited to get this system to eliminate this play.

I’ve been following this thread and have not seen a list (unless I missed it) of the games this is designed or intended. I get it’s for modern Sterns but is it designed for older SS games? Aren’t bushing lengths different for different games periods and manufacturers? Just looking for a little clarity. Thanks.

There are different bushings for Sterns vs JJP/WPC/CGC, etc On the order page, you select the game and John matches to the right bushing.

Yes.
Just tell him that is what you want when ordering.

If you still have the longer stock bushings (BLY/WMS) you can specify you want those, but now is the time to switch to the shorter Spooky bushings. You gotta take everything apart anyways. Just be careful with the screw sizes if you're removing spacers so you don't screw through your playfield.

That is normal for nylon bushings. About 1/16th or a bit more in play at the flipper.

Green on JP
Gold on POTC
Silver on SW
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On SW, that's exactly what I have ordered.

Did it improve your Death Star ramp shot, especially backhanded from the left flipper ?

I finally got a chance to put some time on my GZ Prem with these flippers+bushings.
I am not a great player, and very new to pinball, this is my first pin. Have 800 games on this, have cracked a billion several times. just for context.
I also changed all the rubber to PerfectPlay Silicone at the same time, so getting used to that. Not sure I like it, its quite bouncy.

First thing I noticed was how much more powerful the shots were. fewer "barely made" shots, the ball zipped true as if I had shot it perfectly. I have turned down the power 10-15 points it still has this feeling.

How do you know how much to set power? I mean I could turn it down until it has an adverse effect, but what are the disadvantages of slightly too much power??

I can't really yet say that it's really helped my playing at all yet, at least not in the couple of hours I played. Still have trouble with the same shots. But, It certainly "feels" better. as if the ball is moving with a sense of purpose. ha.

Anyway, happy with the mod. Maybe I'll get the hang of the new rubbers and find that the flippers are actually making it easier for me. May also play with the angles later.

If you don’t like the feel of Perfect Play then try Titan low bounce for the flipper rubbers. You might like those more.

Comparative pics of stock and precision flipper bats look to me that the precision bat is a bit thinner than stock. Seems like the tip is “pointier” that stock. Is this the case or just my imagination?

And if so, are you guys still pointing the tip at the alignment holes in playfield?

The tip portion of my flipper bats are about .020 slimmer/thinner than the OEM bats.

I'm 15 points under factory settings on bottom flippers, stayed at max on upper. These flippers are really good, so much easier to hit all the shots. Too much power= more airballs, stuck balls behind mecha, etc. Really liking these, and prob ordering a set for rush, cant decide on the color yet.

I aligned just slightly below index dots, feels perfect

Yes. There is definitely more power with these flippers. You may need to even dial them back a little. The big difference though is the adjustability. Being able to make micro adjustments easily from the top of the playfield is huge. I think a lot of people are going to realize that even the smallest adjustment to the flipper angles can alter your shots dramatically. This can be a literal game changer for some. Even a 1/16" angle adjustment can be the difference between making or missing that backhanded Death Star shot. This flipper system makes it super easy to dial in these angles to your liking.

Having trouble adjusting the alignment of these. I took the screw out of the top of the flipper and I still cannot adjust it. I’m missing something, I just can’t figure it out. Thanks!

You have to put the plate on, 2 screws in to hold in place, then wind down the longer screw to press the flipper off. The 2 screws just need to be finger tight

Oh I thought this was to take the flipper off. Thanks for the clarification.

Fwiw I find that I can just losen the screw about 1/4 inch, get my fingers under the flipper, and pop it up to adjust. I feel like it's pretty low risk to the playfield but slide a sheet of paper under if you're worried about fingernails. The flipper removal tool works great, but is kind of a pain in the ass if you're iterating, takes too long

I recommend putting a piece of scotch tape on the rectangle, to protect against metal scratching metal on the flipper

I work on farm equipment, bearings, press fit pieces all the time. The issue with removing something that's been knurled is risk of damage by not removing it straight. So, for the extra few seconds to put in 2 screws, I'd recommend doing so. Prob will never get damaged by not, as once we figure out where we want them they won't move again, but rather be safe than sorry

Anyone know how to open up the flipper clamp a bit wider, the part that the shaft slides into? These shafts are bigger, or at least flat on the bottom as opposed to rounded. I was able to install the lower left bat on my GNR LE, however the shaft on the lower right flipper will not go into the clamp, I can easily reinsert the JJP shaft into the clamp, but the Precision one does want to go into the clamp.
See pic below, you can see the JJP shaft(rounded/beveled) on the left and Precision on the right.
Any thoughts? Anyone run into a similar issue?

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Open the pawl (flipper clamp?) a bit more with a big screwdriver.

Thanks much that worked I thought that might be the answer but I wantee confirmation before I tried that there wasn't some other way I wasn't aware of.

I had to take a screw driver and hammer to my ST:TNG clamps to open them up. Alas, not the first time with these older WPC clamps. More you clamp down, the closer they get to touching, and eventually you can't clamp down any more.

Good news is that with this system, no longer have to loosen and tighten clamps to adjust angles on the flippers. That's a huge win for me, and by itself justifies the purchase (I really hate these clamps)

On the positive side, just installed a 3 flipper + bushings set in my Godzilla LE, and it was a cake walk...maybe 10-15 minutes tops until I was playing with angles, trying to figure out what worked best for me.

I ran out of 3 in 1 oil and all the local hardware/auto stores are empty. I have some T-9 bicycle clean, lube and protect that's supposed to be the same weight. Should I use that for the metal on metal point instead or just order 3 in 1? I also have some Ariens L-3 synthetic gear lube for the snowblower but I think that's too heavy.

Gear lube is waaay to thick. 3-1 oil is not a locked in have- to- use product. Any similar viscosity lubricant will work or even grease. All you’re doing is minimizing any friction in the oilite bearing. Oilite metals are impregnated with food quality oils, so think about that.

https://oilite.com/lubricant-for-all-oilite-products

I use a drop of synthetic 0W-20 motor oil.

Perfect, thank you. I'll find something that light weight elsewhere. Crazy that I would have been better off using the snowblower's 0w30 than the gear lube!?

I use this for spinners ect. Easy to apply a tiny drop of machine oil as it has needle nose and you just squeeze.

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