(Topic ID: 283944)

RAZA Pre-order Club: A Cautionary Tale

By NoMonkey

3 years ago


Topic Heartbeat

Topic Stats

  • 3,299 posts
  • 253 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 2 years ago by Nysbadmk8
  • Topic is favorited by 73 Pinsiders

You

Topic poll

“Which Edition Did You Order”

  • Arcade 27 votes
    52%
  • Xtra 25 votes
    48%

(52 votes)

Topic Gallery

View topic image gallery

936C6FE8-1714-4BCB-AFE7-6739393895C8.jpeg
pasted_image (resized).png
proxy-image.gif
Screenshot_20210916-202744_Samsung Internet (resized).jpg
Screenshot_20210918-073355_Samsung Internet (resized).jpg
you-suck-at-the-internet-20050946 (resized).png
zdeeproot (resized).png
pasted_image (resized).png
20210913_134239 (resized).jpg
56BB222B-9578-4793-8975-95727AD0EB2D.gif
BD7625E7-40E3-403A-84E4-B263F7215220.gif
84709FE1-FEA0-4A6D-9752-F716DA38680A (resized).jpeg
AAF98977-33FC-4FF4-AC7A-332A4153F493.gif
s6hdwntp7a701 (resized).jpg
pasted_image (resized).png
8AF1E999-E259-4D4B-BC47-08F72E95903D (resized).jpeg

Topic index (key posts)

5 key posts have been marked in this topic

Display key post list sorted by: Post date | Keypost summary | User name

Post #2440 Link to SEC filings story. Posted by BMore-Pinball (2 years ago)

Post #2468 Story of SEC indictment Posted by DakotaMike (2 years ago)

Post #2527 DR never owned the Zidware entity per report. Posted by wcbrandes (2 years ago)

Post #2676 Summary of DR outlandish things. Posted by TheFamilyArcade (2 years ago)

Post #2864 Charging back a RAZA preorder Posted by Mr68 (2 years ago)


Topic indices are generated from key posts and maintained by Pinside Editors. For more information, or to become an editor yourself read this post!

You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider spoke.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

22
#3011 2 years ago

The little old ladies, in many cases through investment advisors, invested in a fund that was based on buying up life insurance policies and using the death benefit to guarantee returns of 5% or 7%. Any due diligence they would have done, would NOT have shown he was a crook. Robert then took that money to fund his personal life style and his 'hobbies'. This is what the SEC is coming down on him for, not for pretending to be a pinball company. It is pretty cut and try that he did not do what he was legally required to do. Certainly some of those investment advisors are going to be in trouble for their lack of due diligence and follow up.

Robert clearly thinks he is the smartest guy around, which is obviously laughable. He likely thought, I can do what I want with this money as long as those old ladies get their 5% and pinball is easy, so no big deal. In a year, we will release multiple machines, will be printing money and everyone will be happy.

A few issues --

First and foremost, it is illegal to take that money and use it for something other than what investors were told. Even though he had a 10% 'can do other investments', he obviously went, way, way, way beyond that. Even beyond that, using it for personal expenses is obviously against he law, period, no ifs ands or buts.

Second issue -- pinball is NOT easy and there is long list of failed companies that prove that. It is also clearly way, way harder than he thought, especially given his total lack of knowledge and experience. He clearly had not clue how to build a manufacturing company as he tried to re-invent a world, he did not even understand to the slightest degree.

As far as JPOP, he is a creative flake and an opportunist, who has some kind of a jedi mind trick ability to convince people to see things that are not there. Probably one of the things Robert likes about him, they are kindred sprits in that way. They can can create vision that people want to be a part of, while the whole thing is just vapor. While his is a totally responsible for the zidware fiasco, he is not responsible for this financial fraud. He is in no way smart enough.

Any original zidware person who did not take the money when they had the chance and let it ride, well, hard to understand that. You got burnt, and then through a freaking miracle you had a chance to get your money back and you passed on it? Not sure what you were thinking, but you have no one to blame but the person looking back at your in the mirror and I think they all get and accept that.

Those who jumped in later, the red flags were everywhere, as Robert had yet to deliver on a single promise, commitment, anything what so ever that he ever said, other than refunding zidware folks who wanted it. The cherry on top was asking for trivial about of money on deposits -- why would he go back on the 'never take pre-order', for nickels and dimes? -- that to me was the biggest red flag of all. Getting on the roller coaster ride with him given all of that is just crazy, but seems most had an escape hatch via the credit card, so, I hope they enjoyed the ride and no one got hurt.

Hopefully Robert gets what he truly deserves. While I think the SEC stuff, will not be as bad for him as many think (e.g. probably won't put him in prison), I am sure the IRS, justice department, state attorney generals, the state bar associations, other government agencies and those little old ladies, will be lining up to get their shot at him, and those things will make the SEC stuff seem like a day in the park and will likely land him in prison for a long time.

Promoted items from Pinside Marketplace and Pinside Shops!
$ 1.49
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
Daddio's 3D Printed Mods
 

You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider spoke.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

Reply

Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.

Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!

Donate to Pinside

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!


This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/raza-pre-order-club?tu=spoke and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.

Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.