Quoted from Beechwood:

I could be wrong, but since the deeproot 575 money was used on the pinball division, the pinball division is now considered an asset of the 575 fund and can be leveraged or seized, or frozen from doing business until funds are recovered?

Quoted from Rarehero:

IMO Ben’s kinda doing sarcastic/cynical schtick - which may not play through text (or at all based on people being hurt by losing money & being wrong). Ultimately Ben is one of us & just has the best interests of fellow hobbyists/customers/companies in mind. He’s just sick of seeing bad people screw over fellow pinheads. Is he being caustic & blunt about it? Sure….but it’s a “tough love” stance.
That’s my read. He’s not a cruel person. He’d never try to steal anyone’s retirement.

Quoted from hank527:

I want to know where some of the people who defended Robert and Jpoop over and over are.
It was sickening the support these scumbags were given by this community.
The writing was certainly on the wall. I lost to Jpop, Kevin, and Andrew. All this time those who cheered for Deeproot and defended them have some responsibility as their posts contributed to others trust.
I’m not a fan of anyone losing money. Though it needs to stop. Blindly supporting these companies should never happen again. Never. As a community we should all run the next Donnie V or Deepturd out of business when the warnings start to come.
Never give preorder money to any startup. Ever. I hope all of us have learned from this.
I for one do think certain people should show up here and apologize to others. I know I won’t be buying any of your mods until this happens.
Sorry I feel this was, but I do.

Quoted from flynnibus:

They are named as a relief defendant... the SEC are seeking financial restitution from them. That judgement would become a liability against the business/LLC. There would have to be separate collection action to try to force pinball to pay if the judgement is passed against them.
When you win a lawsuit against your contractor building your deck - you don't shutdown their business or freeze it just because you won a financial judgement against them. You win a judgement that if they don't pay, you take action to collect. And in the case of deeproot, the scale is as such that if the case prevails there really is nothing but bankruptcy ahead. The SEC case would force pinball into bankruptcy - but not have place to intervene in the business until that point.
That's why you have all these separate businesses in the first place - to insulate one from another.

Quoted from tp:

I'd rather be out $619.then to here a single word any of them have to say. Thankfully pinside dosnt charge for that. I jumped in last minute after stumbling on the thread.
$619 to learn that Rm and alot of others here are @$&%*#&$#! Money well spent imo.

Quoted from flynnibus:

They are named as a relief defendant... the SEC are seeking financial restitution from them. That judgement would become a liability against the business/LLC. There would have to be separate collection action to try to force pinball to pay if the judgement is passed against them.
When you win a lawsuit against your contractor building your deck - you don't shutdown their business or freeze it just because you won a financial judgement against them. You win a judgement that if they don't pay, you take action to collect. And in the case of deeproot, the scale is as such that if the case prevails there really is nothing but bankruptcy ahead. The SEC case would force pinball into bankruptcy - but not have place to intervene in the business until that point.
That's why you have all these separate businesses in the first place - to insulate one from another.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Ok you win on a technicality again.
End result as you admit is a defunct , dead pinball company called DR pinball??

Quoted from benheck:

I also enjoy seeing people who bought into Deeproot's bullshit LOSING THEIR MONEY.

Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Hey Ben, what company you doing a gig for right now, contract, whatever? Full employee, part time, only contract?
Just remember, people remember. And I kind of now the people over there at CGC to.
I know it's pinside, but this isn't the wild west, everybody's looking. See what I did there.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Ben was always on the side of the consumer

Quoted from benheck:

I also enjoy seeing people who bought into Deeproot's bullshit LOSING THEIR MONEY.

Quoted from wesman:

This definitely validates my reasons for staying off this site for the last half year

Quoted from TreyBo69:

You could have used the refund to buy a pinball machine? (Or at least a topper /s)

Quoted from Rarehero:

Cheeks Ben’s comment is still pro-consumer. We’ve reached a cultish point where those who were defending DR/RM/Jpop we’re actively propping up villains who were harming people. Ben’s “rooting for their loss” is in reality rooting for the villains to finally be vanquished, so consumers in the future FINALLY reject these types of maniacs & their schemes.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Cheeks Ben’s comment is still pro-consumer. We’ve reached a cultish point where those who were defending DR/RM/Jpop we’re actively propping up villains who were harming people. Ben’s “rooting for their loss” is in reality rooting for the villains to finally be vanquished, so consumers in the future FINALLY reject these types of maniacs & their schemes.

Quoted from Cheeks:

Maybe I need one of those bidets you're going on about.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Hey, after all this - you deserve a sparkly fresh butthole! Treat yourself! No more swamp-ass while playing pinball!

Quoted from JodyG:

One of the main cheerleaders here seems awfully quiet this weekend since the news broke...

Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Hey Ben, what company you doing a gig for right now, contract, whatever? Full employee, part time, only contract?
Just remember, people remember. And I kind of now the people over there at CGC to.
I know it's pinside, but this isn't the wild west, everybody's looking. See what I did there.

Quoted from flynnibus:

You post stuff like...

You admit to not being clued in, and you had so much bravado and preaching 'gotta believe' no matter what and attacking people who didn't have their head up their ass... and now you're upset people find satisfaction in your epic run into the wall? You reap what you sow - if you don't remember.. here are some highlights.

Flynnibus, as usual, a forensic analysis for the ages.

I find this one fun... this didn't age well

And for the closer...

Yes.. yes you are.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Take a picture of his back for me.
Christ on a cracker. Stop me when YOU think the bullshit was getting a little too thick:
Jpop is our lead designer (this is where I stop, personally)
The Five Days of DeepRoot
Pinball is Easy
RM is: mining in Africa, engineering IT systems, wunderkind financial expert, lawyer extraordinaire, entrepreneur, pinball designer, pinball OS designer, “Captain of the ship”.
Zombie Yeti and others threatened with lawsuits.
Zidware vendors aren’t paid.
NDAs!!
Quad Manufacturing.
We’re going to release 6 games all at once.
We’re going to release more games in one year than the rest of the industry combined.
Allegations of furloughs and salaried employees not being paid.
Dennis Norman leaves (no engineering/no progress)
We won’t launch a game until we can ship in two weeks. And no pre-order ever.
The PinBar (sharp angles and edges and all)
David Thiel leaves.
PinPod reveal!
Whoops, we invited 6 pinball media stars to our soft launch and, knowing more than us, they convinced us to delay.
Pre-orders. PRE-ORDERS!!!
30 day order window. Fake FOMO effort.
We’ll make some extras at higher prices.
Games shipping in February. February comes and goes.
PinPod exposed as an existing product rebranded.
UL certification more complicated than we thought.
Announcing non-announcement.
Not making extras after all.
Refunds offered, but must do it fast. No waitlist for new sucke…er, interested parties.
4 more months of delays. No reasons, no pictures, no nothing.
More furloughs.
Unexpected lawsuit.

Quoted from hank527:

Such a great recap. Love it.
You need to add SEC filing as some still think Raza will get made

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Take a picture of his back for me.
Christ on a cracker. Stop me when YOU think the bullshit was getting a little too thick:
Jpop is our lead designer (this is where I stop, personally)
The Five Days of DeepRoot
Pinball is Easy
RM is: mining in Africa, engineering IT systems, wunderkind financial expert, lawyer extraordinaire, entrepreneur, pinball designer, pinball OS designer, “Captain of the ship”.
Zombie Yeti and others threatened with lawsuits.
Zidware vendors aren’t paid.
NDAs!!
Quad Manufacturing.
We’re going to release 6 games all at once.
We’re going to release more games in one year than the rest of the industry combined.
Allegations of furloughs and salaried employees not being paid.
Dennis Norman leaves (no engineering/no progress)
We won’t launch a game until we can ship in two weeks. And no pre-order ever.
The PinBar (sharp angles and edges and all)
David Thiel leaves.
PinPod reveal!
Whoops, we invited 6 pinball media stars to our soft launch and, knowing more than us, they convinced us to delay.
Pre-orders. PRE-ORDERS!!!
30 day order window. Fake FOMO effort.
We’ll make some extras at higher prices.
Games shipping in February. February comes and goes.
PinPod exposed as an existing product rebranded.
UL certification more complicated than we thought.
Announcing non-announcement.
Not making extras after all.
Refunds offered, but must do it fast. No waitlist for new sucke…er, interested parties.
4 more months of delays. No reasons, no pictures, no nothing.
More furloughs.
“Unexpected (and undisclosed) lawsuit” further delaying communications.
Robert scrubs internet of personal Linked In and Facebook pages as well as multiple corporate web presence(s).
Major SEC filings against Robery Mueller, DeepRoot Funds, and a number of DeepRoot affiliates, including DeepRoot pinball.

Quoted from iEatHands:

What are you going to do? Cancel Ben?

Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

What an amazing thread, the bad guys have turned out to be scum once again and all the “good guys” are narcissistic assclowns.
Wowie.
Maybe this is why people get so pissed off about “what’s wrong with the hobby”
Imagine bragging, doing victory laps, jerking off your own ego and screaming you’re the good guy.
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Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

What an amazing thread, the bad guys have turned out to be scum once again and all the “good guys” are narcissistic assclowns.
Wowie.
Maybe this is why people get so pissed off about “what’s wrong with the hobby”
Imagine bragging, doing victory laps, jerking off your own ego and screaming you’re the good guy.
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Quoted from bigehrl:

Let me be the one to change the tone from “We told you so” Vs. “How dare you wish us ill!”, to one of positivity and hope.. Because there’s a possibility, albeit a slim one, that all the folks who refused to give up hope, despite the obvious warning signs, will be compensated via a choice of either the Prime Rib, or the Chilean Sea Bass while being invited to attend Roberts 4th wedding. Probably around 2038 (approximately the year after he’s released, depending on his defense team’s strategy and leniency of the presiding judge). So, there’s still a chance!

Quoted from bigehrl:

Let me be the one to change the tone from “We told you so” Vs. “How dare you wish us ill!”, to one of positivity and hope.. Because there’s a possibility, albeit a slim one, that all the folks who refused to give up hope, despite the obvious warning signs, will be compensated via a choice of either the Prime Rib, or the Chilean Sea Bass, while being invited to attend Roberts 4th wedding. Probably around 2038 (approximately the year after he’s released, depending on his defense team’s strategy and leniency of the presiding judge). So, there’s still a chance!

Quoted from Yelobird:

Didn’t buy 2 for myself not sure what you would do with spare games? Was there a benefit to paying in full? Likely just wanted to fuel the speculation pond lol. None the less my deposit(s) are still confirmed by Amex as (don’t worry about it) from my last call. I know you guys are concerned for us, we appreciate you.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I sense a “why do you guys want RM in jail?! How is that gonna help us get out games!” Post a brewin’.

Quoted from bigehrl:

Maybe the SEC reads Pinside and will chime in on that thread. Because, as it turns out, they're the primary group that wants him in jail.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I sense a “why do you guys want RM in jail?! How is that gonna help us get out games!” Post a brewin’.
I remember that was the Predator “owner” sentiment for a while.

Quoted from Cheeks:

No way. It's one thing to rip off a bunch of pinball nerds for a few grand a piece. It's another to rob the life savings from a few hundred seniors. Unforgivable.

Quoted from bigehrl:

do we know for certain that the $58M came from a few hundred senior citizens? I feel like the investor's list is still privileged information, and that maybe one person just said "Seniors were fleeced!!", both in an effort to sensationalize, and out of assumption due to Bernie's crimes. If we don't know, maybe we should stop saying that as if it's fact.
**Don't get me wrong, somebody was ripped off. But I just think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

The SEC complaint cites around 300 investors, so an average of about $190k per investor, and that they were primarily retirees.
Madoff was primarily targeting charity and university endowments

Quoted from bigehrl:

do we know for certain that the $58M came from a few hundred senior citizens? I feel like the investor's list is still privileged information, and that maybe one person just said "Seniors were fleeced!!", both in an effort to sensationalize, and out of assumption due to Bernie's crimes. If we don't know, maybe we should stop saying that as if it's fact.
**Don't get me wrong, somebody was ripped off. But I just think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Take a picture of his back for me.
Christ on a cracker. Stop me when YOU think the bullshit was getting a little too thick:
Jpop is our lead designer (this is where I stop, personally)
The Five Days of DeepRoot
Pinball is Easy
RM is: mining in Africa, engineering IT systems, wunderkind financial expert, lawyer extraordinaire, entrepreneur, pinball designer, pinball OS designer, “Captain of the ship”.
Zombie Yeti and others threatened with lawsuits.
Zidware vendors aren’t paid.
NDAs!!
Quad Manufacturing.
We’re going to release 6 games all at once.
We’re going to release more games in one year than the rest of the industry combined.
Allegations of furloughs and salaried employees not being paid.
Dennis Norman leaves (no engineering/no progress)
We won’t launch a game until we can ship in two weeks. And no pre-order ever.
The PinBar (sharp angles and edges and all)
David Thiel leaves.
PinPod reveal!
Whoops, we invited 6 pinball media stars to our soft launch and, knowing more than us, they convinced us to delay.
Pre-orders. PRE-ORDERS!!!
30 day order window. Fake FOMO effort.
We’ll make some extras at higher prices.
Games shipping in February. February comes and goes.
PinPod exposed as an existing product rebranded.
UL certification more complicated than we thought.
Announcing non-announcement.
Not making extras after all.
Refunds offered, but must do it fast. No waitlist for new sucke…er, interested parties.
4 more months of delays. No reasons, no pictures, no nothing.
More furloughs.
“Unexpected (and undisclosed) lawsuit” further delaying communications.
Robert scrubs internet of personal Linked In and Facebook pages as well as multiple corporate web presence(s).
Major SEC filings against Robery Mueller, DeepRoot Funds, and a number of DeepRoot affiliates, including DeepRoot pinball.