It seems like the up post should always stay down on left orbit and only operate on right. I also disabled mine.

4 ohm resistors soldered inline on one of the coil lugs cures this while still keeping the slings very fast.

This isn't a problem with game software. Every single recent stern has the same high powered slings sing tron and the same code to run them. Arguably, if you don't keep your games cleaned and waxed, the problem is not so noticable. But all my games have the 4 ohm resistors in line. It's only a few cents in cost and is a permanent fix.

This is not a problem with game code. You likely need to check the trough switches and reflow solder on the trough upkick optos or just replace them. It's a common enough problem with all sterns since Sega and data east days that I swap these as my first step with this problem and always have a spare set laying around. I believe this is what you want. http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=1690

Chaz may have told you that, but the slings are exactly how they have been on a sterns since tron. It's not a software "problem". They could pulse the coils shorter and weaken the sling. But this is in their base code not game specific code. I find it unlikely that it will change. But if it does, it should change on future software releases of other games as well.

Yea, the game isn't quite finished. But I think the code / rules are pretty good. I would argue it. It was a rough road and it was ugly up to the last revision. But its not too bad now. Imagine if we got this as the first drop. It would have been a totally different story.

Actually, you can't. What you can do is *replace* songs. What it's sounds like here is they are *adding* songs.

So the 4 ohm resistors was my original solution. And it wasnt just for Metallica. I devised this months ago starting with my ACDC in an attempt to make that game fun. I've been doing this on all new sterns since the "super powered slingshot" feature was released on Tron or so. This is not a metallica issue. It is not a code issue. All the stern games have this problem. For me, xmen and acdc were worse than metallica. All get the 4 ohm resistors. You can replace the coils with coils with more windings as well, but that costs more money.

Stern does not have direct software control over the power to just the slings. They do have control over the amount of time the slings (or any coil) is pulsed. I'm sure that if this is handled via software, that's how it will be handed - lower pulse time. But since this is nothing new, I doubt any software changes will be made to address it - regardless what Chaz may have said or not. So it would be great if people would stop discussing this as some sort of metallica software bug. It's really not.

Setting coil pulse power to "soft" in the menus slightly helps the problem also, but not as greatly as the resistors.

It's not a problem. Nothing is going to break. Glass won't break. Instead, It's an annoyance to have air balls jump the sling and drain out the outlane. But this is just how stern games have been recently. And some are more sensitive to it than others.

4ohm-10watt resisitor mod for sl... 59 KB

I would most definitely *not* be filing new coil stops and plungers. The hum does not impact performance or flipper strength. But filing definitely could and it won't improve the flipper performance. You risk the flipper throws being uneven after (one flipper rises higher then the other) and slight burrs causing flipper weakness which will only increase over time. Lloyd is a great guy, but this was bad advice in my opinion. My suggestion is to not do anything. Its not a problem that needs solving.

I can't really disagree with you on this. I think I'm rotating metallica out of the house and into my workshop until a code update drops.

You will be if you expect an update in the couple days I think

Unfortunately, the longer the wait is, the higher the expectation is for the update contents. What may have been an otherwise great update is very likely to be met with disappointment and "is that all after all this time" comments. Personally, I think Lyman had a certain amount of stern paid full time to work on this, and it was all used up on hammer issues. While I'm sure he is working on it, I bet its not full time and I bet the update won't be a game finisher or everything everyone expects.

This is pure speculation.

Agreed and I hope I'm wrong.

You don't need for your pro. You can just use colored LEDs. The LE is just white via light board. It's pretty easy to install light sockets in place of the led boards though. I did this to make the acdc lightning bolt inserts blue.

Ya. Both probably work. The 4.6 ohm will slow the slings more than the 3

I do t think that's what he meant but who knows. It's definitely not coding every game twice. There is going to be a small amount of work specific to versions then the rest is rules. If anything, the pro type versions are able to be considered subsets of the LE type versions, which are the real games.

Sorry but this isn't what I meant. It was in regards to code the pro games are not like coding a whole separate game. They're like coding a subset of the LE type game.

I totally agree that Metallica and transformers pros play better than their LE counterparts. That's why I have the pro on both those games . As for xmen, once I disabled the moving ramp I can't agree. Unless you would argue that the night crawlers and spinning disk refract from game play

Yes, it is. You've already said "if I were a programmer" so that means you're not. Therefore you should probably stop making any statements about how things work or should work. You don't know.

The game software team has no control over release schedule. They are given a game and probably turn in work load estimates. Then they are probably told when it will release. If it takes 2500 hours and you're given 1200 hours, it's not your fault that things are only 12/25 done when it releases. It's the fault of the company that released the product anyway.

My guess is that Lyman got the code to be stable in time frame allowed and continued development afterwards. He was likely yanked off onto other projects by stern and given only a partial amount of his time to work the project afterwards. Who knows. It could also be they it just takes him more time and he has been working only on this project since. We don't know. In any event, it is definitely not the dev teams fault things get released early and unfinished.

Ehat would be the motivation for anyone to lie on that post?

Who wants to hit sparky, hear the band say "Ride the lightening" then be listening to something else? Had to be said

This applies to Metallica as well: http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stern-star-trek-diy-subwoofer