As soon as Kevin demanded $3000 (as opposed to the agreed deposit of $250) I was out the same day he sent that demand letter. I got a refund very quickly form PayPal.

Kevin claimed he had a long list of people eager to take my spot, but I think it took a lot of stones for him to demand $3000 from each and every pre-order. That would be like if PPS demanded $6000 from every MMR pre-order 6-8 months ago.

I don't believe it should matter since the games were promised shortly after the deposits or beginning in 2014. Kevin did not ship any games so IMO the deposits were taken in bad faith, or under false promise of delivery.

I don't understand why Kevin would sanitize his website do that it doesn't mention the machine and take down all videos and pics of the machine that he has the power to do so.

A lot of things don't make sense. Don't pass the smell test if you know what I mean.

I don't think 'non-refundable' is enforceable at this point.

IMO

I'm not a lawyer but I know Kevin has collected a lot of money for zero delivery. How long do you think the grace period should be? 6 month? 6 years? You say it's non-refundable as if they means Kevin is under no law statutes to deliver a pin in a timely manner.

I don't think its a long con, but if someone is worried about Kevin's behavior (who isn't?) I think it's only fair for Kevin either to prove he has the license and ship the pins or to refund the deposits.

Much love for unique pinball and small runs, but if he can't get his act together he needs to say why and give a true timetable and see if people still want to wait or get out.

Demand letter said the games would be shipping in 2014 now we're 1/4 way into 2015.

Whysnow you make a lot of great points always, but you never seem to see that someon can disagree with you.

Here is something regarding deposits for goods

http://www.consumerhelp.ie/paying-deposits

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I bet you are wrong about that. Any lawyers want to weigh in?

You are correct, but Kevin is pushing the limits of good conduct, he will be one and done if he keeps up his current antics.

I am in full support of all you guys in line for the game, I just like to point out when a vendor is acting stupidly.

Kevin and Jpop have ruined it for Riot Pinball.

I looked at the letter again, it did not say refundable but it did not say non-refundible either.

It did say they would be shipping games in a few short months and the letter was dated 9 months ago.

This is what I'm saying. If I'm number 247 and they're making 25 pins a month, that's 10 months after they start building which will be 10 months or more after the demand of $3000. No way I'm paying $3000 for a 20 month wait.

Also, not saying I can see the future, but I really didn't think Kevin has his shit together and when Aaron was gone, it didn't make me feel any better.

One kid with a ski cap, sorry I'm not impressed.

I would consider one without all the pre order drama.

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