make that

11 still in.
4 got out earlier and got money back.
1 recently asked for money and has not gotten it back yet.

If anything this poll vs reality of people posting shows the truth behind many people and their desire to vote in polls to change a perception.

14? people supposedly not getting a refund but only 1 willing to post that reality publicaly in the thread <insert eye roll>

If you go back to the recent posts of the "official" thread, you will see at least 5 guys (myself included) who have asked for a refund and not gotten it and made posts about it.

I don't dount there are more than 1 that have asked, esp those that have asked more recently (since the recent blow up). However, 14 annonymous voters in the poll makes my point pretty clearly.

Either way, the last round of people asking for refunds appeared to have all been granted from many accounts. It may have taken some time, but that trend is comforting, even if Jared and others want it to be concerning to you.

I'll be going on a month soon, since I first asked for a refund. Long before the recent blow up, but bad timing on my part none the less.

Kind of like this....

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That is not the case at all.

I am simply pointing out that if you actually wanted to get an accurate count rather than pushing an obvious agenda, you would have asked for a more accountable tally rather than annonymous polling.

Your poll perfectly points out the inaccuracy of your poll.

At current standing ~50% of posters vs pollers are accountable for the first 2 categories.
less than 10% are accountable for the 3rd category.

That alone is very telling.

Agreed with your point that this poll will probably be skewed and unreliable. But does it matter that there are a good number of people over in the "official" thread still saying they've been requesting a refund for weeks/months without any response from SkitB? I didn't see follow-up comments from these posters saying they'd been made whole.:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/30#post-2281662

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/31#post-2282874

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/33#post-2285578

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/37#post-2290102

The last mention I saw on that thread of someone receiving a refund was three months ago. If that is the "last round of people asking for refunds " you're referring to, it seems pretty far back in the scheme of things to be much comfort to people that are currently having their refund requests ignored.

I hope everyone gets either the game or their money back. At this point, this whole situation is a real cartoon.

There are many talented individuals in the business of making pinball machines, but too few competent businessmen.

I think thats exactly the problem in all of these situations.

I don't think anyone who has taken pre-order money intended to scam anyone. I'm pretty sure everyone intended on delivering their vision of a machine. I'm also quite certain that with hindsight the same people would have never attempted it if they truly knew the required effort. The only question that remains is can they deliver on the promise.

Well I'm not the smartest cookie in the box

Pre-ordered:
Predator
MMr
Hobbit

Predator now way overdue. Don't see any chance of getting a refund. Really hoping it will still get made but realistically now written the cash off in my mind. Fingers crossed in 2 weeks we might see another 5 finished machines but realistically what are the odds of that? Not angry at Kevin. Shit happens just wish there was more transparency. Very much doubt he's run off to the beach with my money but something clearly isn't right. An expensive lesson maybe but I was going to get burnt on a deal sooner or later. Couldn't even tell you how many pins I've bought sight unseen and got a courier to collect. One day there will be no pin there.....

MMr - Lost virtually all interest in the title. Stupidly turned down a 2nd hand machine for $6k, should have just gone with that but wanted a nice shiny new one. Every new delay makes me worry more about their new board set etc. This should have been the most straightforward pre-order surely.

Hobbit. for the love of God, just release the bloody thing! Got so bored of waiting I changed to a TWD limited pin. Less than 24 hours after I got it (my first NIB) they announced the Premium - grrr. Still waiting for the code.

At least I learnt my lesson and didn't add Alien to my Pre-order list. From now on it's cash only after a machine is actually made.

I'm one of those anonymous people. I don't post on here a lot, but I've been in on Predator since very early (last I knew my # was in the 80's) and have been sending e-mails requesting a refund since the end of Nov. and have not heard anything back at all. I've sent at least a half dozen e-mails to Kevin directly, to the support e-mail, and through the skit-b website and have never received even a 2 second response saying "he's working on it" or "go f yourself." I don't have his phone # so I have no other way of contacting him.

Well which one do you want? Release Hobbit now without code or wait for it with code
You can't win anymore!

Well there you go, it's just a matter of how you define "Short months". If you limit that definition to "Months with less than 30 days" then we've only gotten through 1 of those since the payment request, so he still has lots of runway left!

All kidding aside, I asked for my refund of the original deposit after the 2013 Expo. It took them a while to respond, and a little bit of poking, but I did get it completely refunded.

I have a few buddies still on the pre-order list. I hope they get made, like I think everybody does.

I didn't vote at all.

Why would I?

I presumed that the votes are public.

I am sure a mod can verify.

You calling me a liar? I'm not.

I have not voted. Oh wait I can prove it!!

Don't want to drag the thread off topic too much. But really I wanted fully working Hobbit with the artwork originally shown, a fully interactive Smaug and a release date of July 2014.

Basically what the initial sales pitch was. Apparently that kind of thing isn't realistic anymore

Don't accuse me again.

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If it matters, I got out when the 3K letter came in. If that letter asked for the first 10 or 20 in line to come up with the 3K it would have been different. Asking everybody in line for that spooked me. Never thought he was underhanded, just over his head?

I voted in the poll.

I'm a buyer with $3,000 tied up with Predator.

I requested a refund. So far, my request has not been addressed in any manner.

The only way I will be getting a Predator is if my game gets shipped while my refund request remains ignored. If I was given a choice today, I would take my $3,000 deposit and let someone else enjoy the game. But I really do not believe that I will get a refund. So my only realistic choice is to remain positive and hope that Kevin can deliver a game.

You can add three more people that I personally know who are doing the exact same thing as me, but they do not follow pinside threads. All three have requested a refund over the past 8 weeks, and none of them have gotten a single email in response.

In our discussions, we all agree that our only way to become "whole" is for Kevin to produce Predator. So, we are rooting for him to do so.

Marcus

yeah yeah...
you're just really good with photoshop

hehehe...

I'm in and still have faith in the project.

I am good with photoshop! lol But I am out driving doing client runs at the moment around town and just took two click screen shots to prove my innocence.

Really rubs me the wrong way to be accused of doing something I didnt do.

not entirely false, if he starts building game now, the last peoples (200+) will get their game in 2017.

This is what I'm saying. If I'm number 247 and they're making 25 pins a month, that's 10 months after they start building which will be 10 months or more after the demand of $3000. No way I'm paying $3000 for a 20 month wait.

Also, not saying I can see the future, but I really didn't think Kevin has his shit together and when Aaron was gone, it didn't make me feel any better.

One kid with a ski cap, sorry I'm not impressed.

That's probably because the "wait list" ran dry.....who the hell is going to cough up 3k at this point in the game?

I was production #82. Paid in full last April, requested a refund 10/27. I received the refund a few weeks later after six emails and some complaining about it on the thread.

Yeah I'm not trying to beat a dead horse or kick those in on the game when they're down -- I just though Whysnow's post could be read to suggest that there's not a serious problem right now with people seeking refunds and being ignored by SkitB. A quick look at the "official" forum suggests that's not true, and that at least some of the "I want out and have been unable to get my deposit back" votes are legit.

And my guess is that at this point no one else will be able to get out even if they want out.

completely agree.

Just also agree that the poll is squewed by many people that were never in lying just for the fun of it or with maliciious intent.

Jared> sorry but I believe your screen shots as much as I believe anything else you have said on the topic. You ran your mouth plenty at expo time about all your connections with insiders and those trying to take the project down but now you slyly back away from repeating whom were the big time people in the industry telling you all these things or the full story of how you are associated and "know" the people contacting FOX.

Hopefully when the full story comes out it will also show all the annonymous people attached behind the scenes. When moderators on Pinside have confirmed your involvement and can corroberate you also told them many of the things you told me, that tells me you have been intimately involved in many ways with spreading the rumor even if you are not the original souce. It is obvious to many that no matter what you say now, you have been involved in a negative way for quite some time.

Wow

Im in and have been since the prototype here in Chicago

All the haters and thread trash talkers can go get bent ! >:[

You really need to just STFU about this stupidity Hilton.

I like you bud. But this is really starting to hurt your credibility.

I got out about a month after the Louisville show. I saw the pin there. It was mostly broken but what disturbed me most was when I introduced myself and asked a question he basically blew me off. Also they had promised to stay at a 250 deposit until close to delivery and then asked for 3000.00. I just had a bad feeling and decided get out. Just wondering but has anyone talked to anybody that's on a waiting list?

Might be interesting to see of thoose asking for a deposit, if they have gotten a deposit back in the last few months.

See this is the kind of story that should infuriate EVERYONE.

This callous disregard for a paying customer should have everyone here united in disgust. License issues aside, THIS is the kind of thing that makes me think the guy is shady.... maybe he didn't start that way but there's no "2-week-revelation" that will excuse this shitty behavior.

MONTHS with no response? From multiple people? It's not "he's a bad communicator"....Anywhere else this would get you called a "crook."

But by all means, give him 2 more weeks... *facepalm*

I'm in it till the end.

I see a few scenarios playing out:

1) Kevin only has enough funds left to refund some people, after which he has to shut the doors, leaving the remaining people with nothing.

2) Kevin continues building the games with the remaining funds. Once some games are out, it is likely some people will no longer want refunds and others may want to fill the spots of the people who still want out.

3) Kevin is unable to produce the games regardless of the money he has left.

In case 1, some people get their money back and in case 3 nobody gets their money back, but no machines get produced in either case. Only case 2 has a chance for success.

So for me it's pretty simple since I'm not okay with getting a refund if it contributes to Skitb closing shop, leaving the remaining investors holding the bag and no machines for anybody.

I'm pretty sure we can consider the waiting list dead and buried and burning in hell. The only thing that could stop this burning runaway freight train from dropping off a cliff is actually building games and getting them in homes. The awesomeness of the game itself hasn't changed, and I'm sure he could still sell all 250 as they are being built even if they are not all sold at this point.

I'm in on 2 Predators. One is paid in full. The other is paid at $3K.

If any games actually ship then I'm sure there will be a bunch of people eager to get on the wait list. However, who the hell would get on it at this stage?!?

I would consider one without all the pre order drama.

I can't photoshop a video. Im not lying. Please stop saying that I am.

I don;t know...looks like heavy usage of the AE Clone Stamp tool to me!

You are saying that it's not what you are doing then explaining how it is what you are doing. Perhaps you should create your own poll

Vote:
1. I am in.
2. I am a total full of shit liar that is trolling this thread.

In the spirit of that, here's video of Whysnow filling out HIS pinside survey:

Jesus he's all over the place on this poll

That being said I wonder if even 200 people are still in.

I honestly applaud all of you who are still in but for the life of me, cant figure out why you blinded sent someone money and after years of waiting are still ok with it.

I understand the rush of getting something new and different but after waiting this long and seeing all the issues, people asking for refunds and being ignored, im shocked so many people are still on board.

The ironic thing is, I have a feeling this title may end up being one of the rarer and more sought after machines....

Imagine they only get 10 or 20 out in the market before it gets shutdown.... add the insanely rich backstory to this game AND the fact that it actually looks like it could be a fun game.

Or, they get 10 out and FOX shuts it down... geez- they'd be like blackmarket treasures!

I was in till I played the game at TPF in 2014. Debated staying in but never sent in more money beyond the $250. Finally ended the internal debate I was having when Stern announced IM VE.