Really hope there are significant changes. Currently the main screen has a static picture of the maze and that's about it. There should at least be an interactive labyrinth map on the screen showing the players progress. Much more mode choreography needs to be implemented as well.

Having multiballs where only jackpots are collected without story elements is dull. Brick Keeper multiball is the best example of this so far. Currently shots made just reward jackpots. Where's the story elements such as X amount of shots changing the brick direction and progressing the player along the map? Stuff like that is needed. The theme itself is really cool but it needs to be implemented into the rules more to create this deep fun objective based ruleset.

Personally I would have used the "Magic Dance" song in a timed multiball mode with a ton of mode chorography that syncs to shots and lighting. Instead it seems kinda randomly placed and you are just making generic jackpot shots with no story elements.

Think you can equate a game with any game ... there is only so much room on a playfield that games are bound to be similar?
Although this game has some unique features.
Great job by the crew for a first release.
Looking forward to offical game play video.
Even the early game play release looks very cool !
Folks on here are very fast to harsh judgment.

Oh, also - I'm surprised no one has picked up on the obvious co-op hint that Bowen dropped regarding playing and collecting the friends. Perhaps I misinterpreted that??

I've really been enjoying the way Zach has been formatting these 4k Vertical tutorials over at SDTM.

I also agree with others that sometimes the top down camera is not as useful. I know people have experimented with smaller action cameras right at the apron level capturing as close to a player eye-level view as possible which is interesting to me.

Wasn't he referencing the hoggle/ludo aspects that act like buffs?

To be fair, there are multiballs in most games that are "get some jackpots, get super jackpot", and i think its a fine thing as an early multiball in a game (e.g. GZ multiball or MGZ multiball).

I thought the way the super jackpot is done on brick keeper is super creative. lock a ball, then wack it through the spinner and see how many spins you can get? Come on that's cool!!

Sure, hopefully the 3 other multiballs have some more theme integration. I suspect that's one of the reason friend multi-ball wasn't ready to be shown.

FYI, pretty sure one of the initial spy shots of the game at the factory (before announced) showed the underside of the playfield and the coils/flippers were large and actual Bally/Williams ones and not newer, smaller coils we see on other pins. I could be wrong and would need to check but I'm like 90% sure.

**edit. Found the pics. I think these are mid-production because you don't see the subways installed yet but check out the flipper coils.
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I had forgotten about the couple of those I had seen from Zach recently - yeah, I think that is the best layout I've seen yet - with the small player and screen overlays over the apron. I hope that really catches on.

I definitely don't want the low angle apron cam views a couple people suggested, top down is definitely preferred for me, by far, I just wish it was the main focus on the screen...

FYI, pretty sure one of the initial spy shots of the game at the factory (before announced) showed the underside of the playfield and the coils/flippers were large and actual Bally/Williams ones and not newer, smaller coils we see on other pins. I could be wrong and would need to check but I'm like 90% sure.

edit. Still in production? I don't see the subways on this photo yet.

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You are probably right now that I rewatch, the quote was regarding orbs from mode completions and "by going all the way to level 4 with any of your friends - whatever that means, sorry." Around 3:20ish in the video.

Wishful thinking on my part apparently, LOL.

The new video is up.

Edit: Now that I've watched the entire video I am absolutely certain my deposit was a good choice and I can't wait until this is in my house! My only concern is one I have with other machines, I'm colorblind and Yellow and Green LED's look almost identical to me so it can be very hard to see the "green" or "yellow" shots when they are both being displayed at the same time. Any chance at a colorblind mode or way to change the color schemes? bkerins Would you pass that along to the Barrels of Fun team.

I think I know what bothers me about this game overall after watching the gameplay tut video again. Remember back in the day when they tried to turn pinball into video games on NES and Genesis? This feels like if you turned a pin into a video game back into a pin. It looks very focused on control and following specified shots and status. It's very much a pin adventure. Not my cup of tea.

There isn't much bounce, no pops, plus looks like they went with silicone to reduce bounce and that removes a lot of luck and randomization from a game. It didn't seem like there was much use of the diverters that were in the trailer but maybe I just couldn't see it or it got cut from the video. It looked like each shot just came right back to the flippers almost right away with little excitement or buildup. That's one thing about most of the Stern games I don't like. The lack of drain shots is good but so much of the playfield feels empty.

I think their use of the playfield screen is a little bit of a waste. It doesn't integrate into the game, it's just mode status. I know they could change this, I hope they do. I think they could show the status in a way there that integrates it as background with the mode more than just a static screenshot. Maybe it's in progress code. The current use of the screens make this feel more like a video game than pinball to me. It always just shows the maze. The background music is sleepy and makes the game less exciting, especially for a watcher.

Obviously this is a pin style a lot of people here like but I think between the gameplay and the theme it is quite niche. With a few improvements to the code and gameplay I think it could be more exciting.

Watching!

edit. Right off the bat, direct feed for both LCDs and crisp, well-lit shots of the playfield. YES!!
edit. Also the audio is turned up very loud of the game so you can hear all the subtle score, call outs and background whimsical music. This literally feels like you're in the world.

I like the random nature of pop bumpers, a pin without them usually does not appeal to me.

In the trailer we see a ball fall into a square hole in attached photo. that seems to be the square hole in the middle... It definitely looks like they could fit one subway to the other square hole left of that... but i don't know where a second subway could go.

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SO MUCH BETTER!! Love hearing the music, the sounds, seeing the playfield. Fuck yeah! What a difference a day makes!!

Agreed

Haha, Bowen plays the BOG of Eternal Stench and the game is farting at you while making shots. You have to avoid all green shots in the mode and each orange shot you make Ludo take one step across the BOG, I love it. They've captured the movie lol

edit. Lol when he drained on an outlane the 'Ello worm said, "Don't go that way".

Yes, definitely looking way better after this video. Still not a buy for me and wish they had a mechanic that wowed, but looking forward to playing it. Looks like a fun and smooth shooter.

I was already in love with it,but damn,i love the feel/look of this pin.To me,thats the B/W vibes,im looking for

Confused. Bowen says in the video that Phil Grimaldi is in charge of the rules. I thought Bowen and Eric were doing rules / implementation?

Awesome use of video assets. Game looks epic. Really considering selling off some of my games to get this one, it was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Well done BoF!!

Much better video.

Was great to hear David Bowie

Rules and ball paths are already pretty immersive.

Some great collects/high point awards.

Not sure why the multiballs seems to be so low scoring though?

Based on this video, sales are going to be good at Expo!

I played Punny Factory at the Northwest show, it was more simplistic, but it was actually pretty well done and fun to play. They had their first 2 prototypes there, I don't know if they've produced anymore since June, but it seemed legit.

Ok. I don't think what they call a "subway" is what we call a subway. On the bonus screen in game 2, you can see by the end of ball 2 he had credit for 10 subways and at the end of ball 3 he had credit for 13 subways. The third ball definitely did not travel through any physical subways. I saw it go into a scoop 4 times (there appear to be 4 scoops in the game... not counting the two square holes on the playfield pic which are unpopulated)

This video is night and day better than yesterday's. We hear the music, see all the great movie clips and screen details, and Bowen really highlights a lot of the cool rules they've put in there. If you thought there was very little use of the diverters this definitely dispels that myth, it felt a lot more like he was moving around a labyrinth where each shot could go different ways (imagine that!).

Agree with a previous commentator that the right upper sling looks to be a hair underpowered and causing repetitive hits that don't quite make it up a ramp. Kind of reminds me of the Foo Fighters kicker switch. I like the chaos it causes but may need to be adjusted a bit.

Damn I'm excited for this game!

I know right?! Makes me want to go back and watch that TNA reactor 9 stream and look for the obvious edits!

Phil is lead rules design. Bowen was brought in to help balance and what not. Eric is programming and making it all work.

I thought Phil was point on code w/Bowen consulting on it (to some degree) and Eric on overall design.

Gotta say, I disagree. Checkout the new video at 2:50. Between the slings and the upper kickback interaction, there's a ton of randomness, and power drains too by the looks (if that's your thing!)

Below the the video started at 2:50 (not a repost!)

Defo less concerned about the music this time around. Sounding great.

I watched the streams with Bowen playing. Looks like an excellent game. I'm not sure I could get past that sleepy music during game startup and much of the game. I enjoy the other Bowie songs from the movie. Bog of Stench multiball was neat. Really outstanding theme integration. I could see myself getting into this game as not even the biggest Labyrinth fan. I am fond of the movie, but it isn't like a "Top 50" flick for me. Still, this game looks outstanding and most of all, fun as you progress through your own Labyrinth adventure. Just have to press past that sleepy main theme music plaguing my ear holes in the stream...ugh...Play that long enough and I'll turn right back out of that Labyrinth and head home. To hell with Toby.

Even more excited to give it a flip at Expo. Who knows the destruction my purchasing fingers are capable of after a drink and a flip?

"Pin Adventure" is a great phrase to describe a type of game. Perhaps as it stands against "classic pinball (pops, drops, spinners) and flowy-games (ramp return to flipper — i.e. sterns). Pin Adventure describes a lot of games from WOZ to Alien — clearly a market for it, and boy are they beautiful. Like @natgreystar, I found out I was more of a classic guy, however.

Props to this new company and everyone involved. Game looks very pretty and awesome team, cool license. Rooting for them.

Is Hoggle taking a piss the first time you meet him in the game? lol

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Makes more sense. Thanks. Scott Danesi is working on a different project for BOF?

I really hope I'm able to find one of these on location to play. The gameplay looks awesome! I envy anyone who's buying one.

Per the Aussie Podcast Scott was brought in to help balance and boost the sound on the game. I don't know Scotts future plans but would guess/hope he would be part of future projects with BoF.

Yeah I haven't played many. This seems like a perfect tournament game. I think this is the kind of pin I would enjoy a few times out in the arcade but not so much at home. I think there is getting to be an oversaturation of pin adventures with a hard lean on licensing. This pin looks great so I'm hoping their next one is more in line with my type of game. I'd absolutely buy their product if it were my thing. I didn't like Aliens and I haven't played many of the other new pins. Not many nearby me.

I tried to find a web site to look into the company or get pricing info and nothing comes up. Anyone have a link or more info on company and how to get in line to buy one?

https://shop.kollectfun.com/shop/

If he is not pissing when you first find him that is a total misfire. One of the most memorable scenes in the film. I remember being stunned as kid that this troll was rocking a piss, blown minded.

Already massive clue for the next game???

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Has there been an answer to the shaker question? What about high-definition glass? That has become a must-have on my pins.

I will spontaneously combust if they drop Matters of the Universe next.

Snarf is not on Thundercat?

I'd love it if their next theme is either of those. My wallet needs a break and I've never connected to those themes.

Ohhhh that’s right. MOTU is a cooler license but I’d still be stoked about Thundercats too.

I can’t think of a better programmer for this game. Eric will smash it.

I wore a MOTU t-shirt in school. I got beat up.

It's not cool