if it is tastefully done, has lots of cool toys and mechs, great rules, no multiball orgies or in general rulesets like the last few JJP games, some participation from Elton John, some new music not available on CD, maybe some references to Bally Wizard or Capt’n Fantastic, then I could see considering a purchase. Otherwise…not so much interest. I would also like to see JJP drop these insipid overblown light shows - leave that for the CEs.

you may be right. I gave up a while ago trying to understand what Pinsiders want. The obsession with theme baffles me. I’m only posting what I would like to see in a pin. I like Elton John for his great 70’s albums, after Blue Moves not so much.

surprise me

For the current pricing, a new pin would only make sense to buy if it is so amazing I cannot imagine not having it. Not like GF - after about 30 minutes and seeing balls dropping on mattresses for the 20th time or hearing “I’ll make him offer he can’t refuse” 8 times I knew I never needed to see this game again let alone buy it. Here’s hoping for something great.

I’ve had those Kolchak DVDs in my collection a while, but couldn’t really get into the stories. Should I get them out and give them another try?

if it means more toys then yes!

well, I’m going upstairs, coffee and cookies in hand, and will put on Goodbye Yellow Brick Road to celebrate this momentous occasion! All you complainers can try to unbunch your panties now.

how about a $4000 rebate ?

My vision of “my” EJ SE would be minus hot rails, minus DMD on the piano, minus topper, minus side blade decals, standard cabinet decals, stainless steel armour, minus LEDs on the circular ramp - kind of like DI SE - playfield and gameplay the same as LE.

if you use that philosophy a Stern Premium would cost maybe $500 more than a pro. There’s always a much bigger margin on the more premium games.

I would support the statement that JJP machines are more expensive to build. I do suspect JJP is pumping so many resources in the light show, choreography, etc. that they don’t want to sell lower price models with which they don’t get a return on all that. I reckon they calculate higher returns without SEs. Maybe that’s what you mean. I also have the impression the SEs were kind of a flop for JJP - again maybe what you mean with expectations. But why this is, I never really understood. Ok, lots of people buy Stern pros and some try to justify the extra money for the premium even though the extra bom is only a small fraction of the oncost. Go figure.

But still, I am sure I am not the only one who would consider an EJ SE, but probably not enough people. And the price difference between SE and LE had been historically lower than that of Stern peo and pre, but JJP could change that. People would still probably buy more LEs - good for JJP.

So maybe I’m agreeing with you, I’m not sure.

thanks for the heads up.

what do we need a stream for? We‘ve already collectively decided the game is too expensive.

who‘s talking about food?

I‘ve made the decision to wait for the SE, then I‘ll decide. I realize it might be a while, or maybe never, but I I‘ve accepted it.

I think this game would be well suited to make an SE. There‘s a lot of superfluous bling that could be eliminated without affecting gameplay. I‘d even accept virtual locks in the piano (grudgingly).

And yes, JJP SEs have not been real popular in the past, but maybe 3000 posts suggesting the current prices might be a tad high could just maybe be an indication of changing winds.

oh dear, I just ordered side blades for my taf - not really 3d so I guess I‘m ok. I do think I know the rules pretty well, but I always forget what the *THING* lights in the backbox tell me.

I was always impressed with what JJP did with the DI screen - they had to create something completely from scratch. Most of the other games had pre-existing videos to draw from. It seems to me that would make things easier (but maybe more expensive because of licencing fees).