Quoted from Animal:

I think reality has set in with JJP. There video logo was a ball busting through a DMD, right from the beginning they thought they would assend to being the top pinball manufacturer and for a while it looked like that too!! But Stern kept pumping out good to great machines and now JJP has 1 machine in the top 20 while Stern has 6 or 7 in the top 10. ...and all the while Stern improved their code updating - remember 10 years ago?? Hugh improvement.. Now, not only is JJP not number 1, they are competing with 4 or 5 new manufacturers making innovative machines.
At one point I had 2 JJPs, 1 Stern and 1 CGC. Now I have no JJPs. They became focused on sales and their new machines look beautiful. Stern is focused on sales, selling FUN machines that people want to keep playing.
Ever had to replace an LCD, wickedly expensive and I found there cs to be meh.
JJP is now in a horse race with a competitor they thought they were going to blow away 10 years ago...and now, with sales not so great with their last three releases and the most expensive pricing in the market, they can't even keep up with finishing their game??? I would have loved a new GF or EJ, but not from JJP.

Quoted from Mattyk:

Im curious what is fantastic about GNR? It’s not scoring. It’s not the layout. It’s not slash solo. It’s the light show isn’t it?

Quoted from Mattyk:

Im curious what is fantastic about GNR? It’s not scoring. It’s not the layout. It’s not slash solo. It’s the light show isn’t it?

Quoted from javagrind888:

The ONLY thing this game fails on is scoring. That should be the easiest thing in the world to fix.

Quoted from Mattyk:

I appreciate your response. I had GNR for a long time. I was in love with the game just like you, but around the 7 month mark I saw everything there was to see and got tired of timing out slash solo, skipping modes, and replacing those damn servos. I would love to own another JJP one day (outside of what they currently offer) as all sterns play similar to each other. But games designed by Eric and coded by Keefer are a non starter right now. To each their own

Quoted from Animal:

I had it in my house, I cranked it up and it was a bore. That machine is BEAUTIFUL and was built to sell...not play.

Quoted from jackd104:

He’s far from alone in that opinion

Quoted from Animal:

...GnR was not one of them, lol...

Quoted from Animal:

I have to give you credit, you do amuse me. "Pumping a Stern Jaws hard" wtf. One, you make reference to a completely different thread than this one, 2, im not "pumping" I have no financial interest in Stern. I am eager to take delivery of a JAWS pin as it is my favorite movie and I am eager/confident that it will become a successful pin due to it being a great theme and a Stern/ Elwin creation. I remember eagerly waiting for a GnR LE NIB as well, but we all know how that worked out. Compare GnR to Rush, what I replaced it with ...no fucking comparison!!! Even Slash got rid of his GnR.
Then there is my past collection: Stern, JJP, CGC, Gottlieb, diversity in pinball manufacturers makes our hobby stronger. Most all the pins I "unloaded" were due to me beating wizard mod. But, with GnR, that was not the case: Live and Let Die was cool the first time, but then it devolved to chopping wood.
Finally. This is not a JJP bash thread. When you have an unhappy customer bitching in your face what do you have? Disaster? NO!! You have a customer communicating that they WANT YOU TO MAKE IT RIGHT. So get off your high horse. You may think having a 25 pin collection makes you some kinda big deal around here, but it makes me think you lack imagination and don't get out much. YOU are the JJP pumper! We want JJP to do better!

Quoted from Animal:

So he was given a GnR CE and he donated it to charity after opening and playing it.

Quoted from TigerLaw:

But do I really? How do I turn off the darn ball save on just the multiball on Godfather? How do I increase the difficulty to start the multiballs? I’ve thumbed through the settings and am struggling to see where this gets accomplished.
I’ve bought four JJP’s over the years, and three are still in my collection (WOZ, GnR, and GF). I like a lot of things about JJP. Their coding attitude objectively sucks; and it’s a damn shame as their coding skeleton is really good.
Back a decade ago I said the same thing about Stern, but they fixed their problems (and made lots of statements at the time that they recognized their problems). JJP gives us no feedback at all…as far as we know Keefer thinks his coding is a total masterpiece that needs no further tweaking.

Quoted from Animal:

lol, love it...

Dude, this is the #WheresTheCode / What happened to code updates at JJP thread, stop trying to change the conversation.

Nope, its on the record, he gave it away, clearly he didnt like it. "he helped create it" lol, please that's all marketing bullshit...man you have really drunk the kool-aid!!!! Man, next thing you will say is "its a concert in a pinball machine." Wait, you already have, lol.

Quoted from TigerLaw:

I’m mostly happy with GnR’s code with the changes I can do in the settings. GNR isn’t my issue (though I’d like to see some tweaking)…it’s Godfather. Godfather has an incredible layout, great light show, and good skeleton of rules…but the code has just destroyed it as a multiplayer game and I can’t find how to change it in the settings.

Quoted from arzoo:

I'm really surprised there hasn't been any legal action taken against JJP specifically on Pirates given the code was never completed.

Quoted from MikeS:

The incomplete code sucks, there's no way around it. But at least in the case of JPOTC you can sell your game for a tidy profit and move on with nothing lost.