Very exciting news. Congratulations on FAST's involvement!

Happy Holidays

The best time to do the big 90's re-makes is either a few years ago or right now, so it's likely they were starting to get antsy, the best time to re-make TZ addams or w/e else is now-5 years from now. After that you're into a new market segment and who knows what the demand would be?

Was "EuroPinballCorp" something that already existed?
According to their website they are currently expanding to a bigger factory and will make games for Pedretti and Pinball Brothers.

I hope it's not going to be "2.0" remakes...

TAF or Scared Stiff would be nice. Prices have been falling a bit lately, but if I’m paying $10K+ then I’d rather have a new-in-box whatever-it-is. $4-5K is just about my max for an aged fixer-upper.

Europe is obsessed with these 2.0s.

They are all horrible and pointless. If I want a new game, stern and JJP are cranking them out.

2024 is shaping up to be an even bigger year for pinball than 2023. I'm sure many of us would not of thought that possible.

It will not be Wh2o: It is not an expensive game like MM, MB, AFM, CC, TZ, TOM, TOTAN, CV, etc and Williams made a lot of them.

Very exciting news, 2024 will be interesting.

I hope they offer both actually. Original remakes + upgrade to 2.0 kits from the factory.

I hope they just do single no FOMO versions like BoF and offer a cool topper separately. Hopefully they also do new displays similar to CGC. Perhaps this creates some competitive pricing pressure on remakes, although CGC is already well priced…at a minimum they have set the expectation that remakes shouldn’t cost as much as Stern or JJP.

Exciting news!!!

Not only are they well priced, they’re well made. Two bars that will have to be overcome.

I knew it was someone in Europe……wrong one haha

If they ever do TAF remake, the question will be can they license the original art on the playfield - specifically uncle fester b/c I don’t believe digitally they’ve been able to accomplish that for the recent renditions, including the 4k offering. Could be wrong though.

Pinball market saturation looks to be continuing though. I’m not against it but man, there is going to be a ton of pinball coming to market in the next few years.

Hopefully no 2.0 included in the package.
The theme integration has been getting more and more ridiculous. In my experience, they are horrible on location in terms of reliability.

The FH 2.0 topper was well built, so there’s hope for a good topper.

Hopefully the overall build quality and reliability is on par with CGC.

Licensed themes are difficult, Elvira might be an issue cause of Stern currently doing that and holding a pinball license. Most remakes have been original IPs or something not held by another company.

I would guesstimate that something already in the works for TAF, check out the stockpile of parts that Mantis offering currently on their web site.

https://mantispinball.com/product-category/addams-family/

This rush of new pins is certainly sustainable, what could possibly go wrong?

Except I'm not doing tech support for Barrels Of Fun or Pedritti. Or have their games or access to them.

I do love your system, extremely well done for sure. I really enjoyed seeing it at Expo and speaking with you Aaron. You and Fast Pinball are very impressive.

LTG : )

The FAST board looks very similar to the LISY WillFA7/11 boards - just coincedence?

Other than both having a board capable of interfacing with original hardware they have almost nothing in common.

But I thought pinball was crashing?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-great-pinball-price-crash

All you are really seeing now though is all the stuff green lit when pinball was peaking during the lockdown.

Its kinda lame they are building in europe but I guess we've been spoiled with the amount of games being built in the US. Hopefully they kick butt on them.

I see what they are actually saying when they reference "Time To Market" lol

Where did you hear this?

Wishful thinking.

There are currently 4 kits 2.0 for sale: 2 from the US NGG and BR and 2 from europe FH and WW, i don’t see Europe to have a specific obsession for those kits.

More pinball is always a great thing. Cgc was/is slow but cgc did a amazing job with the remake upgrades and toppers not to mention some the best quality I've seen in a pin. The 2.0 kits that pedretti did imo were prerty horrible imo and if that is how the remakes will be handled that's not good .Also guessing no more awesome cgc screened playfields .Most likely crap micro playfields will be used... ugh.. time will tell I suppose. Really hoping tz is still a cgc title which I believe it is. The market is gonna b super saturated (like it wasn't allready) not enough room and buyers for all these new pins . Crazy times for the hobby that's for sure

I really hope Pedretti will not used Mirco's garbage products, if they do I will never buy anything from them

I wish Bathamburg could just make all the repro stuff. Better than the original but also true to the original unlike Mirco and CPR.

I hope so to but it definitely won't be the beautiful silkscreen cgc playfields... what playfields do aliens use?

original HW Alien was done by Mirco and there are known issues about it, I don't know if PB continue with Mirco but I don't see why they changed supplier with the new playfield really close to the original

Hmm... well makes me think pedretti may use micro then...

CGC didn't lose anything. Where did you read this? I read something completely different.

Knapp updated the article to clarify CGC still had rights from PPS. At the time what I wrote was plausible.

Thats crap, CGC has 6 titles on existing License, PPS just expanding more manufacturers and there wont be williams logo on any of them

and TOTAN and Pinbot

PB Alien playfields are made by Buthamburg.

They no longer are for sale. The really first 2.0 kit or extension kit has beed developed by EpTheGeek who is well known by everyone.
I think maybe a good thing would be to differentiate extension code with original codes + new modes than the orher kits like CCC or Totan are extensions but the others are completly new sofware with different modes : NGG, BOP, BR, FH, WW.
It’s a completely different approach.
Extension code were made because original code was lacking modes or challenges and gave the possibility to change this aspect of the game.

Little disappointed that these wont be manufactured and assembled here in the US, hopefully they can keep the price point in check

That might indeed be the reason they AREN'T manufactured in the US......

This is great for Europe! Those guys have been wanting more pinball but it’s expensive as hell! Now they can get B/W 90s classics. Great for expanding pinball’s audience, and great for the hobby as a whole!

Disti and logistics will automatically add 2-10 points on top of transfer price.

The complaints about CGC’s timelines really baffle me. Everyone agrees they make top-notch machines, probably the best. So it takes a little longer, big deal. Is there a large contingent of the pinball hobby living on hospice? What’s the rush?

The games come and they are great. Just because a game is announced doesn’t mean you have to buy it and own it that week.

This news doesn’t bode well, but I really hope CGC keeps cranking out remakes for years to come. I’m not hopeful about this new company matching the quality, which is all I care about in a machine.

They kept them down with Alien RV. Funny enough I recently ordered some add-ons for Alien from the PB USA site, I then wanted to add something to my already placed order to save on shipping, and PB's paraphrased response was "We can't add it, sorry. You are only paying $10 for shipping, we have paid a lot more than that for it already."

Seems like they have worked shipping costs into their business model already and are OK with eating a chunk due to them.

I think that we are going see Pedretti focus on system 11 games. Just a guess

Pedretti = Pinball Brothers

Pinball Brothers is using Buthamberg for playfields.

To me it sounds like CGC keeps the ability to make the ones they have already made and maybe more but now Pinball Brothers will start making a selection that they now own the rights to. Excited to find out. My Alien LV has been by far my most played machine and I own GZ premium and others. PB has been getting better and better each year so I am quite optimistic

We will find out soon enough