Two of the best IMO. But for my tastes I,would go with Lyman he is a master of his craft and seems to only be getting better. I prefer games that have attainable Wizard modes once or twice a year for none elite players. Sometimes Mr. Johnson makes modes that almost no player unless cheating will ever see that just does not make sense to me. But as I said before two of the greats arguments will be valid for both sides of this debate.

That's not the beauty of it for me. We all have our own likes and dislikes. I just don't see the point to a mode no one or the vast majority playing straight up will ever see and sometimes his games have a mode or two like that. That is the main reason I enjoy SM more than the two you mentioned is I actually have been able to play the main wizard mode and have a lot of fun doing it. Same goes for TRON and Portal. But as I mentioned before Keith is a great no doubt I just prefer Lyman's style a bit more.