Sorry but there are some pretty dumb people on these forums... sometimes people need to use common sense. There is a TON OF REAL FAKE NEWS in the media today and obviously in pinball as well.

Some people understand better than others how to drum up attention for themselves and in the pinball World Kanada does that for a living. I wouldn't trust him because hell half the pinball manufacturers hate him with a glowing passion. Why would they tell him anything? Why wouldn't you tell someone else first, or make even a fake account here and leak something?

Every single one of these podcasts, or posts on these forums is just speculation, rumors or just down right FAKE NEWS.

Unless you hear from Stern directly as an example I wouldn't believe anything.

For example Kaneda says Dialed In is a FLOP well its sold between 1500 and 2000 copies and in the end will probably generate 20 million in revenue. That is more than every original title ever made for the past decade combined, or more than every game Spooky has ever sold combined. The game is ranked the 11th best pinball game so people obviously love the game, every operator tells me its consistently the #1 money maker, and it holds it value big league. How is the game a flop?

The point is people publish their opinions, and most of the time they're just that opinions not based on fact. Unless you have access to JJ books to know exactly number of games sold then you're speculating.

We heard JAWS was around the corner 5000 times, only then to hear NOT HAPPENING. We heard Superman 1978 was Sterns next game then we heard oh wait its not. Now we're hearing oh wait Chicago Gaming who's knee deep into Cactus Canyon and their own original game are going to make Aliens.

LOL

I can assure you that Chicago Gaming is already planning their game after CC and their own original theme... probably Theatre of Magic. So they're wrapped up for the next what 2 years?

Where does Alien fit in?

So even if it was TRUE when does it come out 3 years from now?

Lots of things change over 3 years so here is what I would say...

THIS THREAD IS JUST FOR A LAUGH!

Get a good laugh out of it, and move onto what you KNOW is happening. Focus on the right here and right fucking now!

Black Knight 3000 (you know you got that) Willy Wonka and Guns and Roses. Cactus Canyon. American Pinball is going to start selling Octoberfest and Spooky keeps making Alice Cooper. Blah, Blah... apparently but no one but Stern knows for sure Jurassic World is coming right, or is it Jaws, or is it Elvira 3, or is it Superman or is it WHO CARES! Rumors are always going to be 90% FALSE!

BTW sometimes people spread FALSE RUMORS because they want to see what people will say or someone leaks rumors to gauge interest. I can imagine someone who was involved with Alien leaking that utter non-sense to get a thread like this started to then point to the interest in why someone should give them more money, invest, help get something dead in the water going again.

Don't fall for it... there are some really dumb people buying into fake news because it draws in more listeners to podcasts, their website or whatever.

TOTALLY FAKE NEWS!

I'm not saying any prediction is right or wrong, or that any rumor is true or false. What I'm saying is this forum aside from talking about a specific game like how do you fix this, where do you get that, hows the game play stuff.. aside from ALL OF THAT this forum is what 98% guessing, assumptions, predictions, rumors and more rumors. Am I right about that?

You have a ton of people also using the forums to promote a podcast, promote a website, or whatever. If we add up every rumor from these boards accuracy percentage what would it be?

I'm guessing 10% correct maybe less.

This thread was started talking about Chicago Gaming doing Aliens. I'm saying even if its remotely true Chicago Gaming has their plate full for the next two years. So even if they are to make the Aliens game you probably wouldn't see it for 3 years from them specifically. Over 3 years lots can happen including a total nuclear annihilation of the entire planet not the pinball. LOL

So speculating what might happen if the rumors are true is pointless its 3 years away... between now and 3 years Stern will release what another 152 new pinball games.

Just a guess, and rumor, and speculation.

I do NOT believe what I hear from a Kanada pinball podcast because as I pointed out nearly every single person who makes pinball games hates the guy... they wouldn't tell him, he'd be the last person on the planet they would tell. Doesn't mean he's WRONG, but speculation, going by rumor, hearing something second, third hand isn't the same as hearing from the owner of a company.

When an owner of a company tells you then you can speculate.

FUNNY... I'm hoping you realized I was using that pinball title as a joke! LOL

But you just never know what is going to happen right? I'm sure if there is a NUKE war the only thing left standing on planet earth will be a TNA machine. LOL

Not a fan of the game but I'm sure based on theme alone it would be immune to the blast. LOL

I'll say this about Kaneda he's always dogging Jersey Jack. He says well because they haven't made money that makes them not successful.

When we look around the room and all these guys got burned on Aliens, got burned on Big Lebowski, and the list goes on right?

How is Jersey Jack NOT successful... they have changed pinball forever. As the Joker said to Batman you've changed things forever there is no going back.

For better or worse pinballs are getting more interesting, cooler toys, full color screens with assets from the films, and so much more.

Dialed In has sold more games, and generated more money than Dutch, Spooky, Highway, American all of them COMBINED and thats before you add in WOZ, Hobbit, Pirates.

Jersey Jack doesn't deserve the wrath of Kaneda not at all... he's like a non-stop bully. Many companies go thru growing pains, many companies sell off equity for investment this is nothing new. Say what you want but JJ is still standing, and still innovating the industry.

Its time to move on from Aliens, and Big Lebowski and look to what is really going to happen, and support the companies who're actually doing it!

Time will tell on American Pinball, but the jury came in with a verdict most of these new pinball companies can't be trusted. I'm going to toss in DEEP ROOT until they can prove over the long haul they can navigate thru growing pains.

Jersey Jack - Stern - Chicago Gaming these are the three companies you can honestly trust with your money but it can change anything can.

Buying pinballs from new pinball companies is risky at best... we should all turn the page and look towards the future.

Charlie,

You make my point exactly. Again I'm not dogging on Kaneda here because he's entitled to his opinion but he shouldn't post opinions as FACTS! If Dialed In isn't the single most successful non-IP pinball in modern day pinball history, that its a flop then your entire company, along with American Pinball is a disaster as well. You have goals for each game, if you say you're going to make 200 games, and you sell all 200 for your company, that is a home run. Maybe one day your goal goes to 1000 and you sell 100 yeah that is a disaster. But because you sell 400 games as a goal, you reach it, and because it doesn't sell thousands like Ghostbusters that doesn't mean its a failure or bomb. Kaneda is wrong on these points. He's dead wrong. Dutch Pinball sells what 18 Big Lebowski's that is a TOTAL NIGHTMARE epic failure not Dialed In or Alice Cooper Nightmare. You can't compare Dialed In to AC DC or Ghostbusters and say one is a success and another is a failure. You can't compare an Olympic gold medal runner to an up and coming High School track star both are successful and both are at different stages of their career. See the point?

There are tens of thousands of companies who make limited runs because of their capacity to produce, or to keep the value higher, or whatever. Sideshow toys does this for almost every single toy they make... because they didn't sell 1 million action figures thru Walmart does that mean it was a FLOP? NO... I'm sure Jersey Jack wasn't thinking oh yeah lets sell 10,000 Dialed Ins at $9500 bucks. He doesn't have the ability to make that many I'm pretty sure of that... I'm sure his goal was already achieved and the game keeps selling. Dialed In is one of the biggest success stories in modern day pinball.

You sold all of your Alice Coopers and Rob Zombies, you set goals you met them be it 100 500 or 10 million doesn't matter. Kaneda isn't the sole person to determine if a game was a flop because based on his assessment Houdini is a flop and pretty much every game not made by Stern is a flop as well.

You can't compare Stern to JJ nor can you compare Spooky to Chicago Gaming either. Everyone has their own business model and growth and I'm merely saying Kaneda needs to understand he's offering HIS OPINION he's NOT offering FACTS because he has NO FACTS to base his comments on. He's wrong!

Dialed In is ranked one of the best pinball games in history by this website, so is POTC... so he's WRONG!

His opinion that he doesn't like the game is his opinion. His opinion that Spooky shouldn't take a massive deposit and deliver later, is his opinion and he's entitled to it. I actually would agree with him on that point... if it's taking a long time you should be able to get that deposit back. Again that is MY OPINION! Customers make choices and they're free to make them... if you choose to give Dutch Pinball 10k for a Big Lebowski and you never get the game or your money back well no one broke your arm to do it. That is business and it happens every day across all kinds of industries. You have to take some responsibility yourself for doing something so irresponsible without using an ounce of common sense.

No offense to any other pinball company but I'll go with Stern, JJ, and Chicago and will steer away from the Dutch Pinballs, the start ups, and even this Deep Root. I'm not giving a penny of my money to a company that has never mass produced ANYTHING EVER! Mark my words... Kaneda loves this Deep Root company, but they will sell 200 to 400 games that's what they will sell from their first title that doesn't have a MAJOR IP attached to it. Deep Root doesn't have the distribution network like Stern, neither does JJ for that matter, sorry but you're simply NOT going dethrone Stern because you add a couple new features. Just isn't going to happen... so I wonder THEN will he say Deep Root first game sells about 380 machines, its a FLOP, considering Dialed In at that point might be at 2000 machines.

Lastly, Charlie I'm happy you're doing great. I have not purchased a game from Spooky Pinball, I'm not a fan of the art on your games so I haven't bought any. But love is in the eye of the beholder, and apparently a lot of people have great passion for your games. I'm happy you're doing well because the industry needs more people doing different things and filling needs for every niche of the industry. Good for you!

I've talked to you once before, I have people who can create the most amazing artwork and even CGI you've ever seen. If you're ever looking to farm that stuff out let me know and I'll put you in touch. To me art is everything... it's the first thing you see. I have to be in love with the theme and art before I'd even play the game to consider buying one. My company builds amusement attractions all over the World including some based on Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, James Bond you name it. I'm an attention to detail guy, so every detail counts with me... I'm a collector first and a pinball player second. So I'm a different type of buyer hence why I really like Jersey Jack.

I do hope you do well, clearly it would be great for the industry if Dutch Pinball was still around. I think Big Lebowski is one of the best themed pinball games I've ever seen... I'd rank that in the top 10. Sad to see them go because they had some talent. But talent can only get you so far, you need EXPERIENCE in manufacturing, sales, marketing, there is more than having a good pinball game. After selling 18 and going belly up that proves the point.

PS: For the record I like Kaneda because most of the time he's saying things that are hard truths, many fans don't like to hear but still hard truths. But he's got to STOP confusing FACTS from OPINIONS! He's right about many of this OPINIONS about say Jersey Jack, and all the pinball companies they can all do better and glad he's pushing envelope. But non-stop bashing on one single company and twisting opinions as facts is wrong. Also he doesn't want to go so full of himself that he puts things out there just because someone whispered into his ear... verify first. No offense to Kaneda but there probably isn't a single pinball company that wants to chat with him so it goes without saying someone might want to feed him FALSE info to make him look bad. Just saying so be vigilant, opinions aren't facts, and rumors aren't facts either. Keep that in mind.