(Topic ID: 18209)

Stern quality through the years... Some questions.


By alexlevy

7 years ago



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    #36 7 years ago

    The new Sterns certainly have less problems out of the box than the old Bally/Williams did.

    #42 7 years ago
    Quoted from Betelgeuse:

    I have seen posts rip right out of the playfield from ball hits

    This happens in pinball all the time, especially to Williams games. Certainly not unique to Stern.

    Quoted from Betelgeuse:

    Someone not too long ago posted major scoop wear already on a Tron.

    That game has been on location for a year. Games that get 16-24 hours a day playtime will show wear, just like a taxi compared to your own car.

    The scoop, of course, gets mega wear as it would in MM or any other game.

    Quoted from Betelgeuse:

    powder coated siderails rust from sweaty hands

    Sadly, all these powder coated and painted rails are going to do this.

    We have traded "bling" for long lasting stainless steel. Style over substance.

    If an operator put painted rails on location, it would take days before kids would have their names carved into the paint.

    #49 7 years ago

    If you want heavy, then MDF weighs almost 2x what plywood does. MDF is smoother, so it takes paint better too (no grain or pores). In fact, in the 90s Williams made some cabs from Plywood with a thin MDF veneer on the painted side.

    If you want strength, then 13 core Baltic Birch is the stiffest 3/4" plywood. Again, very heavy.

    If you want hardness, Lumber Core Maple Ply (all 5 cores made from Maple) is quite hard.

    I've never heard an operator ever say "Gee, I wish these machines were heavier...".

    #57 7 years ago
    Quoted from swampfire:

    Williams and Bally had lots of patents on the flipper control circuits:

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm

    So if Stern went with a dual-winding design without licensing one of these patents, WMS would probably go after them. I suspect this is why Data East went with the single-winding design in the first place. I'd love to know more of the history behind this.

    Those patents expired long ago.

    You only get 20 years.

    That is why you buy complete flipper mechs that are exact copies of the Williams, but do not have any logo on them:

    http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=172&parent=0

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