I really want the MM apron...that is sweet!

Cause you are cranky

Lol. You need to quit stocking me, send me what I need and I'll make you lots of money.

These look great, I like the AFM without the cows too. Great job, nice to see companies get together and produce some excellent products!

Yeah...quit stocking!

Get a room.

Quit bumpin and get back to work, we want our stuff. Our money is burning a hole in our pockets. Just kidding, I know you guys are working hard.

Those graphics look amazing !! Both are MM and AFM graphics will really amplify the beauty of these machines . I love the new apron designs without the instruction and pricing cards . Those cards where designed for the average person walking up , putting a couple quarters in , and wondering how the game plays. Well the majority of pins end up in private collections , and I HOPE the owners know how to play their own games, thus why the instructions and pricing cards? The interior pinblades paired with the new apron designs really brings the game into a custom new look for the home collector. Great Job !!

rick:
I didn't realize that you stocked brYan kellys? how much do they go for and what is the return policy on them?

Tell that to the people who lost their mind when Tron LE shipped with one coin slot.

I must agree Wolo they are so hot - I must get those two machines

their products are top notch ! i have my metallica , spiderman , star trek pro and ac/dc machines pimped out with pingraffix products here at rock fantasy concert shop in middletown ny

...can't wait to finally get up there with the Boyz!

For the MM apron, I'd like to see the riveted metal border continue over the dragon's wing but under the flame and under the dragon's arm. This might give a little more symmetry to the design. Either way looks great!

AFM - sans bovines

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the great products and fantastic customer service.
The side graphics for my STLE are unbelievable.
I wish you were going to be at TPF.
I would buy you a margarita or two.
You can buy from Joe with high confidence in the quality and support of his products.
Great job and thanks for your contribution to the hobby.

Bill

Mikey Likey!

Who's Mikey?

Beware Joe Raptor and just so everyone knows....Don't be surprised if Kim copies these and then pitches them to other pinball reselling outlets as his own product.

whats the consensus on the AFM apron design? I know you had two similar designs. I voted for the first one . I love the background explosions, they are realistic looking and have a strong visual appeal. When are these aprons going to be available?

I will be interested in the price of the MM apron and pin blades. These are incredible and will look amazing on my MMRLE.

Looks like I'm gonna have to wait awhile till you make one for a game I have.

Yes Paul you are But it sure will be worth the wait..

my friend has a MM pinball , he is refurbishing everything and trying to give it a fresh look , and this will be perfect. He hasn't even taken out the original incandescents.The insides of his cabinet is all scratched up , this is an easy and creative way to cover up the scratches , than having to wood fill and paint. A great solution and refreshing an old game of some needed attention that is well deserved.

Looking forward to getting the MM side art.

They will be nice

Now they won't rust under the apron or under the Graffix. Smart move.

Per Joe's request

I'll try to keep this to the point and I also apologize for taking up so much room on this thread about this. If it continues on, I will take it outside to another dedicated thread of it's own.

Kim contacted us (Pinball Toppers) before the 2013 Texas Pinball Festival and said he was interested in reselling our speaker light kits at the show. We told him we were working on a bulk discount rate for people that wanted to resell them and we would get back to him. A couple of days later we got back to him with a discount schedule and told him we could get him 20 kits at the discounted price before the show. He said he had decided he just wanted 4 kits to put in his machines at the show to show off. So he bought 4 kits from us and several acrylic designs.

He did have them in his games at the show. See video here:

About a week after the show we were contacted by someone else that is very big in the modding community. He knew we were the designers of the speaker light kits and had seen them in Kim's games at the show. He said "You know he just bought them so he could copy them and then sell them for himself". We had never heard about this method of operation before and there was not much we could do about it at that point. It did seem a bit strange that we were warned that way and he had decided against getting the bulk purchase he had originally asked about and instead, only bought a few.

Sure enough, a couple of months later we were contacted by other pinball parts resellers and told that Kim was contacting them to sell them "his" speaker light kits for resale. They knew the kits were our idea and were nice enough to give us a heads up on the situation.

So what do you say about that Kim? You had our kits and our acrylics in your games at the 2013 TPF. I'm sure I could probably dig out the PayPal information showing where you bought the kits from us before the show. You can clearly see they have acrylics from our site installed with the light kits. No one else was selling them at the time besides Pinball Toppers.

So Kim, how do you defend your practice of buying a product from us and then copying it to resell to others? You can make up a tale about how we dropped the ball on getting you an order (though they can clearly be seen in your games) , but even if that were the case (which it wasn't) would that be an excuse to buy a handful of kits from us and then copy them for resale? I just don't see any defense for you Kim. Are you claiming you didn't buy kits from us? Are you claiming you didn't then start making them yourself and try to sell them to others? Can you name one of these points I am wrong about?

As for why I "stalk" you...I see you posting that you are "selling parts" for someone else at the show and I know that is the exact same line you gave us before you bought a few of our kits and started making them yourself. Why wouldn't I warn them about you?

If you truly feel like I am harassing you and dumping on everyone's thread that you post on....I suggest you contact a moderator about the issue and point out the many examples of me doing that. I feel like I have had great restraint about the whole situation myself.

Edit: BUMP

Back on topic, how many more days till we get to see a finished product? I'd love to come and watch you guys work on this kind of cool stuff.

Paul - we could show you, but then have to kill you, and I really like you

Perfection takes time and these are going to ROCK.. We are working hard and should have some out soon to show you Thank you Paul

but...but...but...you KNOW you can trust me.

Is the material you are using on the new aprons the same as the material you have been using for the pinblades. ?The pinblade material is nice and thick and seems very durable. When are these going to be available. Whats next for the Williams line up ? Your designs are great , cant wait to see more...good stuff !

JR

been a couple of weeks. i will admit that i have not read over this thread completely, but i was wondering if you have an estimated date on these.

if you have already said it somewhere i will look, otherwise here is a bump for you

BUMP!!! (set, spike.... it's almost volleyball season)

Hey joeraptor2003. The AFM looks fantastic. I just finished restoring mine and this would just add so much to it. I am very excited when these become available. Keep up the good work.

Come see these and more of our products at the Allentown show!!

are you bringing apron samples to the show .? Are you bringing them to show or sell .. We can we expect to have these beautiful apron designs flood the market ? Anxiously awaiting their arrival..............soon I hope

We will have them for display!! Come check them out along with some other new goodies we will have there..

Show specials - come order right from our booth and save some $$

See you soon!

Those look great! AFM apron - No Cows would be my vote.

This is all very cool. I love the non-cow AFM apron and the MM stuff looks cool too. My biggest issue is with the AFM side panels. I think they look fine, but there are several backboard decals already out and these really don't coordinate with any of them (and no backboards are being sold here either). Of the existing ones, there are 3 commonly available varieties that depict a space setting, and one of a city skyline. Obviously a skyline side panel butting up to outer space is a little weird, but even with the building variety backboard, the style / color / look really doesn't coordinate very well.

I'm not really interested in removing previously installed art and reverting to a blank area just to install different art in another location. For future titles, I would suggest either coordinating with readily available backboard add-ons, or offer your own that complete the look of your side panels.

Can't wait to see that amazing AFM artwork on the shiny custom aprons I made for you guys. No expense has been spared between us to come out with this high quality product. I was even more amazed to hear the great price Pingraffix plans on releasing these at.
Matt
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