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Outhole triggers tilt

By Gaming4Potatoes

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

My Williams Alpine Club will send current to the tilt relay lever when a ball enters the trough to be kicked out the outhole. The schematic doesn't even connect these two together, and all the connections related to those two areas were checked. I even consulted many EM repair guides and none cover this. You all are my last hope on this one

#4 1 year ago

currieddog The tilt relay lever is the lever that turns on and off the tilt features for the game (Like when a tilt switch is connected, the lever falls, putting the machine in 'tilt'). It's located in the reset bank. As for a HQ schematic, the paper is as old as the pinball machine, but I could try to get a good picture of it

#6 1 year ago

I'm sorry, my terminology was a little wrong. Instead of tilt relay lever it was tilt relay switch located in the relay bank. The relay bank reset arm pops up to reset the 5 relays: tilt, game, game over, 300 pt, and 500 pt. whenever a ball falls into the outhole, the outhole kicker also energizes the tilt as if the game was tilting. It may not even be related to the outhole, but the problem happens at the same time as the outhole kicker solenoid firing. At this point it's useful as the switches are bent just right so the tilt relay pushes down the bank reset arm (tilt doesn't trigger) as this allows for game over, and 300-500pt advancements in scoring. After the bank reset arm falls though, tilt doesn't activate because the bank reset arm fell which disconnected the tilt switch.

Anyway I included a tilt relay snapshot and an outhole relay snapshot

rolf_martin_062 surely Alpine Club has a game-over relay. Both my schematics and my game have it. I've had issues with the game-over relay not being strong enough to push down the bank reset arm

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#8 1 year ago

rolf_martin_062 the relay bank looks exactly like that one, but with less relays on it. I edited your image and made a visual of what is happening below.

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At this point it's useful as the switches are bent just right so the tilt relay pushes down the bank reset arm (tilt doesn't trigger) as this allows for game over, and 300-500pt advancements in scoring.

Let me clarify...The bank reset arm stays up at game start instead of falling down right after.

So the tilt relay is strong enough to push the reset bar down, but not strong enough to open or close switches on the tilt relay the first time, so after the first time tilt is triggered from the outhole switch, it results in exactly how the reset bank below looks. After that, the tilt relay sags a little so another tilt can't be registered.

Hopefully I was more clear this post...this is my first restoration of a pinball machine

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#10 1 year ago

rolf_martin_062 so after trying everything you had suggested, I thought maybe it wasn't the outhole, but on the score motor, then I saw your #6 (C 4A) above on the schematics and sure enough, the picture below states my issue. The ball release and tilt relay trip are on the same score motor switch set. Now I'm even more confused as to why this is happening because the schematics say it is supposed to happen. Maybe this is leading to the match circuit, but maybe you could help me figure this out more?

Also I realized when I was at my computer to show you all the schematics I left out a segment, so that is below too.

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#12 1 year ago

rolf_martin_062 that was the issue! My game doesn't tilt by the score motor anymore! Thanks for you help!

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