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Do you think Star Trek will be a better game than Predator?

By rai

10 years ago


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“What do you think?”

  • Star Strek (Steve 'the king' Ritchie) 61 votes
    64%
  • Predator (Get to the Choppa!) 35 votes
    36%

(96 votes)

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#1 10 years ago
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rai

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I know this is a weird speculative type question, but bear with me.

Speculation is Stevie Ritchie to design Star Trek for Stern.

Steve Ritchie, has made: STTNG, ACDC, Spider Man, T2 etc..

Of course this does not mean every game he makes will be great, but he does have some of the better games under his belt.

Predator is what it is. It has some cool features such as user log-in, multi tier rules, UV light effect etc.. and we love the 'Rocky story' (underdog stands toe to toe with the champ).. I have to wonder how much of Predator is 'feel good' (let's hope it is good). I am not sure anyone thinks Predator will be on par or better than games such as SM, ACDC, TRON, etc..

Again, of course we know less than zero about Star Trek, except it's theme and that it will be a Stern game which means, probably a lot of stock components, probably movie clips like Tron, probably some homage to STTNG (?) whatever.

But if you were allocating some money or betting on one game or the other what would you think is going to be better?

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#2 10 years ago
 
EDH

TigerLaw

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I would consider narrowing the comparison some to the price points. Consider comparing the Predator game with the Star Trek Pro that will be coming as they will be at similar price points. ST LE is going to be over 7k shipped.

Obviously, the jury is going to be out on both games till we receive more information on each.

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#3 10 years ago
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rai

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Yes, I was considering to say ST pro, consider I would assume ST pro to be the lesser version of ST if you want to just think of this poll solely as the ST pro that's probably fair. I would assume the ST pro to be close or a bit cheaper than a Predator LE.

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#4 10 years ago
 
LTG

LTG

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Yes.

LTG : )

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#5 10 years ago
 
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TheLaw

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I didn't vote because I don't think SR has anything to do with this. I think any major company that makes a game will be better than a home brew.
But I'm obviously hoping both are fantastic.

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#6 10 years ago
 
BOB

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Quoted from LTG:

Yes.
LTG : )

i agree with LTG.
stern is a well oiled machine, resources and peoples.
like it or not it's steve's game.

don't get me wrong, i hope the predator is a hit and a lot of succes to the guys but there's no competition here, sorry. you cannot compare orange with apples

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#7 10 years ago
 
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maddog14

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While I have no idea if a couple of dudes in a basement can whoop up on the establishment I do know this:
The stern product, while solid, is not that freaking awesome. There is nothing technologically speaking or artistically that could not be duplicated or exceeded.

We are not talking an upstart car company taking on General Motors here.

So since Skit-B has no track record for building, programming etc. Yes getting in on the predator is a gamble, if the game sux. But if it plays well and the quality is there, It will be an awesome part of a players collection.

For 5 gees, I'll take that pre order bet. Would not for 7 plus though.

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#8 10 years ago
 
RGR

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The real question is will the 2013 Star Trek be better than 1993 STTNG

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#9 10 years ago
 
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DCfoodfreak

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Crazy thread Rai.
No way is Predator in the same league. But if you love the theme that trumps a lot .
Love Predator then get one otherwise Ritchie will make a better game taking theme away .

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#10 10 years ago
 
MEL

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My husband make me watch Wrath of Khan before watching Into Darkness. I could really care less about Star Trek in general, but would rather watch the new guys than Shatner. But then 2/3rds of the way through the new movie I had severe movie storyline deja vu so bad it wasnt even funny. Husband immediately proclaimed the movie crap and literally said "Now I wouldnt even want the new Star Trek pinball." In addition, I have a feeling that I would not be able to get a Predator at all in the future if they do indeed do well, based sheerly on production numbers. And I am middle of the pack, so I have lots of time to see actual player reviews before my money is due. If it just totally sucks for some reason, I can always drop off and get a Star Trek later. (But would probably get a STTNG honestly, if going the ST route.)

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#11 10 years ago
 
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#12 10 years ago
 
SCO

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yes

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#13 10 years ago
 
JRJ

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Is this a serious question?

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#14 10 years ago
 
SMK

TheLaw

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Quoted from jarjarisgod:

Is this a serious question?

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#15 10 years ago
 
TOM

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No chance in hell that Predator will be even close...have you seen it in person or played it? I have...enough said...I wish them luck...but this is no contest.

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#16 10 years ago
 
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Quoted from tomdotcom:

No chance in hell that Predator will be even close...have you seen it in person or played it? I have...enough said...I wish them luck...but this is no contest.

In appr 6 weeks The world will know if your statement hold water. Or at least my world will. Chicago Expo!

One cant make judgements on prototypes.

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#17 10 years ago
 
SCC

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all pinball, all good.

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#18 10 years ago
 
MFM

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My money is on the Predator. If Star Trek is good I will get one down the road.

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#19 10 years ago
 
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TigerLaw

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I voted for Star Trek.

That said, I think the Predator game has a really good chance to be something very different and special. It is an exceedingly limited run and a lot of people will never see one. It has young guys that are big players and fans of pinball and I think they will design a game that feels a bit different from the Sterns.

Predator will be deep and filled with Easter eggs. The Predator license will be more pliable than Star Trek (the IP is old and I am assuming will be easier to work with).

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#20 10 years ago
 
EDH

TigerLaw

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Also, Predator has a full R rated theme . . . the adult nature of the game gives it a little something to in my book.

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#21 10 years ago
 
MSS

stretch2

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ST by a nose.....

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#22 10 years ago
 
KAM

kvan99

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How can anyone vote on this? Anyone seen the new ST? or played it yet? I tell you what Stern also made Transformers and X-men, I would put Predator vote against either of those two and see what happens.

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#23 10 years ago
 
TOM

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Quoted from maddog14:

In appr 6 weeks The world will know if your statement hold water. Or at least my world will. Chicago Expo!
One cant make judgements on prototypes.

This is true, my thoughts are only a guess, as neither game is done. But I'll take the guys who have been making pins for MANY years, over the basement dudes

I do hope Predator kicks ass in the end...don't get me wrong

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#24 10 years ago
 
BRC

Jackontherocks

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Predator. Look at all the new things and tacking of records etc they are bringing to the game. Wish others would catch on and start doing this. Too bad I'll probably never get the opportunity to play one. I wish all new games made were available to play instead of searching for them.

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#25 10 years ago
 
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Jean-Luc-Picard

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First thing... Trekkie's will take over the world and resistance is futile. lol

But, lets face it. Richie loves Star Trek, understands the power of the cult-following. He will destroy any doubt and deliver excellence. This pin in my opinion will bring fans and non fans of pinball or Star Trek back at Warp 10 where we will move so fast we will be everywhere and everyplace in the universe at the same time. Just as Tom Paris did. But without the Genetically Evolutionary side-effects. However, I also LOVE Predator. So I am very excited for it and hope it turns out better than WoZ.

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#26 10 years ago
 
JLM

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Quoted from kvan99:

How can anyone vote on this? Anyone seen the new ST? or played it yet? I tell you what Stern also made Transformers and X-men, I would put Predator vote against either of those two and see what happens.

Agreed. Can't vote. One completely unknown pin against a prototype. You are comparing a boutique pin against a well established factory. A poll comparing Predator to America's most haunted, Nemo or Wrath of Olympus would make more sense to me.

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#27 10 years ago
 
NAM

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Quoted from RGR:

The real question is will the 2013 Star Trek be better than 1993 STTNG

Yep, that is the real question.

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#28 10 years ago
 
AAA

Pinballgeek

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Star Trek all the way
Carnt wait to see the pics

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#29 10 years ago
 
AAA

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Quoted from RGR:

The real question is will the 2013 Star Trek be better than 1993 STTNG

Put them both together get a ton of people to play both non pinheads and pinheads and let them decide

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#30 10 years ago
 
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ozno

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ST is going to be wicked. Stern just did a fan layout. ST is going to be innovative withmore than 2 flippers and their games have been very good of late.

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#31 10 years ago
 
TDA

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I'm gonna have to wait and play them I have no idea right now which will draw me in more. No preconceptions but really hope things work out and I get a chance to play them side by side in the collection. Crossing my fingers that both are epic pins.

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#32 10 years ago
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rai

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Its hard to say how good or bad ST will be, could it be worse than Transformers, Avengers, Avatar? Those are recent Stern games based on movies. But you have SM and Tron on the better side so I believe ST will be somewhere in this Transformers----SM in that range, I would have a hard time believing it would be worse than Avengers/XM/Avatar not saying those are bad pins, just putting a floor on my expectations.

I don't have any floor for Predator pin.

Predator, is made on a smaller budget, but there are many examples of some things made on a small budget that turn out well.

If you think only Hollywood spending millions can make a great movie...lets see 'Daredevil' had $78m budget. 'John Carter' cost $250m.

'Mad Max' $350K
'Halloween' $325K
'Rocky' $1m
'Reservoir Dogs' $1.2m

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#33 10 years ago
 
JLM

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Given the overall reaction concerning ST, this is probably bad news for those on the Predator waiting list: I don't expect many of us dropping from the main list to buy ST based on what we have seen so far (doesn't mean ST will be a bad game with a wide variety of shots and 3 flippers).

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#34 10 years ago
 
BJS

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I wonder what it would look like if we redid the poll now....

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#35 10 years ago
 
JLM

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I actually did a screen copy of the poll. 69% for ST (44 vs 20 votes). Let's see if the ratio changes...

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#36 10 years ago
 
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Plungemaster

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It should be, would you like to have a stern star trek, or....

a predator, a sttng and some cash.

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#37 10 years ago
 
BOB

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i'd still buy a Star Trek.

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#38 10 years ago
 
ADM

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Predator design looks like a 90's Gottlieb.

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#39 10 years ago
 
DEN

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Predator got Arnolds voice... thats enough for me

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#40 10 years ago
 
RGR

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Now that I have seen ST its a flip.. Arnies voice will create far more interaction.. Oh yeah and its a shitload cheaper

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#41 10 years ago
 
DEN

DEN

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Fak u as-hoel

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#42 10 years ago
 
DOG

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Will this thread win for the stupidest poll on pinside?

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#43 10 years ago
 
JPR

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Quoted from RGR:

The real question is will the 2013 Star Trek be better than 1993 STTNG

Now we know NO!

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#44 10 years ago
 
TPV

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Yes, ST will be better.

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#45 10 years ago
 
CDL

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Quoted from DEN:

Fak u as-hoel

Hehe, is that how Arnold would spell it?

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