Is there a lot of wear under the protector? If there is a significant space under it, it won't sit entirely flush because of the negative space and the eventual denting into that space. I always back fill my hole wear with wood epoxy and sand it level with the PF, then install then protector with the proper amount of backing under it to support it and keep the edges flush.

Mylar will just make it worse

im sure Cliffy will weigh in on this issue..

Mine does the same thing....

Cliffy will send you some double stick tape that should hold it down. Just send him an email, he will be glad to help, Cliff is da man!!

It shouldn't be lifting at all and I hope they are not. Mostly when this happens it's due to overtightened posts. Now, of course, even when perfectly flat and flush my protectors are going to be .010" above the playfield. Your average ramp entrance flap is .007". You can transition mylar up to my protectors edge with 2 to 5 mil adhesive mylar or Mark Clayton's vinyl. This will sort of ramp the ball up super gently.

I must say, however, that it would take an incredibly slow rolling ball to be deflected by a .010" thick (Hyperthin, I cakll them) protector Some of you here may remember my first and second generation hole protectors which I made from 24 gauge, .026" thick! Honestly I heard very very few complaints about deflection when they were almost 3 times thicker

I need to look at mine, it must be lifting, there is no way that 0.010" would do what I am seeing. It really isn't a bother at all because I usually hit (or overshoot) the skill shot, so the ball never falls back into the swamp. I only see it occasionally when guests are playing.

BTW Cliffy, I need to get a protector for my TZ on the rollover switch slot; where the ball drops into the inlane from the wireform. Where can I buy one of these?

On occasions I've done what Cliffy said and ramped up thin mylar strips to the edges of protectors where I thought it was needed and it worked great!

On a lot of pins I've worked on, previous owners (or the factory) has over tightened posts and dented the playfield under the post. I'll place something in the divot to level the area under the post with the playfield and that helps the Cliffy lay flat as intended.

Nice to see you on the Pinside forums Cliffy, and as always, thanks for the great products.

That reminds me, I need to order some stuff for the TOM I just picked up

Thanks Jeff. I've been on here for many years but as with all things I have to spread what little spare time I have fairly thin. Like buttah
ToM? Nice. Lemme know whatcha need

I know I have seen them in the past on different sites but can't find it now for some reason. Only thing I found was the custom cut mylar pieces for TZ from Pinbits.

http://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_2&products_id=374

You may get one from me or my distribs. BAA and MAD tend to stcok them more than my other distribs so check with them first. In UK/Europe Pinball Heaven seems to stock them more than other distribs over there.

Folks, when you want something your favorite parts dealer doesn't have you simply need to email and ask them to carry it. Trust me, they all WANT to hear what things you need! None of them want to stock parts that are not needed but the only way they know is when you tell/ask them

I have seen them too, my TAF has one.... but I can't find a place that has them advertised.

I have similar issues with protectors on my LoTR and RFM and just lived with it. They start to lift where the adhesive part is. Just seems to lose its stick shortly after install. I may have had playfield wax under at the time I installed them. Anyway, I may try the mylar trick on mine to see if that helps.

I just ordered some from MAD. Mine was starting to show some sings of impact wear there so I wanted to prevent further damage. I was suprised that I had a difficult time finding them.

http://mad-amusements.com/product.php?id_product=1547