Quoted from gjm7777:I played it there last week, and the back leg levelers were completely flat - the game was so floaty you couldn't even make the ramps.
I'd be surprised if the game had a pitch above 3.0

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Because it's not good?

Quoted from Sorokyl:

I am a pinball neophyte but I did take physics a few times. How does a low pitch make ramps harder?? Should be "the steeper the playfield, the more force required for ball to reach ramp apex"

Quoted from Sorokyl:

I am a pinball neophyte but I did take physics a few times. How does a low pitch make ramps harder?? Should be "the steeper the playfield, the more force required for ball to reach ramp apex"

Quoted from knockerlover:

It’s interesting that pinside says five pinside users have added one of the B.O. BBQ games to their collection.. as far as I can tell two of those are launch partner locations/operators.
Compared to another recent release like jaws which has 600ish already.

Quoted from Bublehead:

People love paying for their BOBC fix one game at a time, on site, at a buck a play (or hopefully less), because that way, when the night is done, they can casually walk to their car, get in, drive home, and fall into a dream-like sleep in their own warm bunky, and not have to withstand the hot, feverish unending night terrors that would haunt your every waking moment knowing you had spent actual REAL money on purchasing one of these turds in the first place. Can you imagine the sheer abject horror of realizing you actually ordered, recieved, and PAID FOR one after setting it up and playing your first HUO game?
That feeling of hopelessness as you realize just how long its going to take, or how low the price will need go to unload (foist?) this abortion of an excuse of a pinball machine onto someone else.
To harsh? No, not in my experience... this thing is chock full of buyers remorse...

Quoted from Sandman33:

I actually had a nightmare that I paid 7k for a GTF LE..it came NIB to my house and turned into a tank and I woke up sweating thinking OH GOD, WHAT DID I DO? Then I realized it was a dream and was very thankful. No joke, thats a true story.

Quoted from Happy81724:

I traded a dp pro for a deluxe GTF. Kids love it, friends who have played it really enjoyed it. I’m glad I did it because it shoots well and is fun. The new code will definitely help but for the month we have owned it that’s the pin that gets played the most. FF is second with the new code then probably bond or final resistance.

Quoted from Sandman33:

I actually had a nightmare that I paid 7k for a GTF LE..it came NIB to my house and turned into a tank and I woke up sweating thinking OH GOD, WHAT DID I DO? Then I realized it was a dream and was very thankful. No joke, thats a true story.

Quoted from Bublehead:

Wes Craven is on the phone for you...

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Finally got to play the game while down at PinBrew the last few days and somehow, it's even worse than I thought it would be, which, I don't even know how that's possible, but here we go...
Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.
How weak are they? Well, it was damn near impossible to make any ramp shots. For that matter, it was tough making any shots I was aiming for, given the lag and calculus I had to do to compensate for these shitty flippers.
Now you may be wondering, "was there a power issue at PinBrew that could have explained the weak flippers?" No, no there wasn't. And here's how I can tell: 1) no other game in that bank had flipper issues (or any games I played at PinBrew for that matter), except for GTF (hmmm) and 2) there was another BBQ game at a completely different section of the room and that one felt just as terrible
So here's the sad truth: this game is a non-starter to begin with if you have weak-ass flippers that can't hit the ramps on the game. Full stop. Not even worth digging into the shit theme, bush league LCD animations, videos of meat, etc. It's hard to even talk about what's in the game when a brand new one is unplayable. Failure to launch, abort, abort, abort.
So much of what AP does is mind boggling and hurts my head, but we've reached a new level where they can't even get the flippers right, something so f*cking basic you'd think that would be the least of their worries.

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Finally got to play the game while down at PinBrew the last few days and somehow, it's even worse than I thought it would be, which, I don't even know how that's possible, but here we go...
Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.
How weak are they? Well, it was damn near impossible to make any ramp shots. For that matter, it was tough making any shots I was aiming for, given the lag and calculus I had to do to compensate for these shitty flippers.
Now you may be wondering, "was there a power issue at PinBrew that could have explained the weak flippers?" No, no there wasn't. And here's how I can tell: 1) no other game in that bank had flipper issues (or any games I played at PinBrew for that matter), except for GTF (hmmm) and 2) there was another BBQ game at a completely different section of the room and that one felt just as terrible
So here's the sad truth: this game is a non-starter to begin with if you have weak-ass flippers that can't hit the ramps on the game. Full stop. Not even worth digging into the shit theme, bush league LCD animations, videos of meat, etc. It's hard to even talk about what's in the game when a brand new one is unplayable. Failure to launch, abort, abort, abort.
So much of what AP does is mind boggling and hurts my head, but we've reached a new level where they can't even get the flippers right, something so f*cking basic you'd think that would be the least of their worries.

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Finally got to play the game while down at PinBrew the last few days and somehow, it's even worse than I thought it would be, which, I don't even know how that's possible, but here we go...
Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.
How weak are they? Well, it was damn near impossible to make any ramp shots. For that matter, it was tough making any shots I was aiming for, given the lag and calculus I had to do to compensate for these shitty flippers.
Now you may be wondering, "was there a power issue at PinBrew that could have explained the weak flippers?" No, no there wasn't. And here's how I can tell: 1) no other game in that bank had flipper issues (or any games I played at PinBrew for that matter), except for GTF (hmmm) and 2) there was another BBQ game at a completely different section of the room and that one felt just as terrible
So here's the sad truth: this game is a non-starter to begin with if you have weak-ass flippers that can't hit the ramps on the game. Full stop. Not even worth digging into the shit theme, bush league LCD animations, videos of meat, etc. It's hard to even talk about what's in the game when a brand new one is unplayable. Failure to launch, abort, abort, abort.
So much of what AP does is mind boggling and hurts my head, but we've reached a new level where they can't even get the flippers right, something so f*cking basic you'd think that would be the least of their worries.

Quoted from LTG:

Easy to make the flippers stronger in settings.
LTG : )

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

But this begs the question: why is it being shipped like this, if that's the case?

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

But this begs the question: why is it being shipped like this, if that's the case?

Quoted from LTG:

I don't know if it was.
And power at the factory may be different from where it's put. Which is why many manufacturers usually make coils adjustable.
LTG : )

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

But this begs the question: why is it being shipped like this, if that's the case?

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Finally got to play the game while down at PinBrew the last few days and somehow, it's even worse than I thought it would be, which, I don't even know how that's possible, but here we go...
Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.
How weak are they? Well, it was damn near impossible to make any ramp shots. For that matter, it was tough making any shots I was aiming for, given the lag and calculus I had to do to compensate for these shitty flippers.
Now you may be wondering, "was there a power issue at PinBrew that could have explained the weak flippers?" No, no there wasn't. And here's how I can tell: 1) no other game in that bank had flipper issues (or any games I played at PinBrew for that matter), except for GTF (hmmm) and 2) there was another BBQ game at a completely different section of the room and that one felt just as terrible
So here's the sad truth: this game is a non-starter to begin with if you have weak-ass flippers that can't hit the ramps on the game. Full stop. Not even worth digging into the shit theme, bush league LCD animations, videos of meat, etc. It's hard to even talk about what's in the game when a brand new one is unplayable. Failure to launch, abort, abort, abort.
So much of what AP does is mind boggling and hurts my head, but we've reached a new level where they can't even get the flippers right, something so f*cking basic you'd think that would be the least of their worries.

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Finally got to play the game while down at PinBrew the last few days and somehow, it's even worse than I thought it would be, which, I don't even know how that's possible, but here we go...
Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.
How weak are they? Well, it was damn near impossible to make any ramp shots. For that matter, it was tough making any shots I was aiming for, given the lag and calculus I had to do to compensate for these shitty flippers.
Now you may be wondering, "was there a power issue at PinBrew that could have explained the weak flippers?" No, no there wasn't. And here's how I can tell: 1) no other game in that bank had flipper issues (or any games I played at PinBrew for that matter), except for GTF (hmmm) and 2) there was another BBQ game at a completely different section of the room and that one felt just as terrible
So here's the sad truth: this game is a non-starter to begin with if you have weak-ass flippers that can't hit the ramps on the game. Full stop. Not even worth digging into the shit theme, bush league LCD animations, videos of meat, etc. It's hard to even talk about what's in the game when a brand new one is unplayable. Failure to launch, abort, abort, abort.
So much of what AP does is mind boggling and hurts my head, but we've reached a new level where they can't even get the flippers right, something so f*cking basic you'd think that would be the least of their worries.

Quoted from NickBuffaloPinball:

Finally got to play the game while down at PinBrew the last few days and somehow, it's even worse than I thought it would be, which, I don't even know how that's possible, but here we go...
Here's the thing: the flippers felt like wet noodles. They were the weakest flippers I've ever seen on any game I've ever played. Some people complain about older JJP's having weak flippers, but that is NOTHING compared to the flippers on this monstrosity.
How weak are they? Well, it was damn near impossible to make any ramp shots. For that matter, it was tough making any shots I was aiming for, given the lag and calculus I had to do to compensate for these shitty flippers.
Now you may be wondering, "was there a power issue at PinBrew that could have explained the weak flippers?" No, no there wasn't. And here's how I can tell: 1) no other game in that bank had flipper issues (or any games I played at PinBrew for that matter), except for GTF (hmmm) and 2) there was another BBQ game at a completely different section of the room and that one felt just as terrible
So here's the sad truth: this game is a non-starter to begin with if you have weak-ass flippers that can't hit the ramps on the game. Full stop. Not even worth digging into the shit theme, bush league LCD animations, videos of meat, etc. It's hard to even talk about what's in the game when a brand new one is unplayable. Failure to launch, abort, abort, abort.
So much of what AP does is mind boggling and hurts my head, but we've reached a new level where they can't even get the flippers right, something so f*cking basic you'd think that would be the least of their worries.

Quoted from cookpins:

I played it here also. I honestly didn't mind the layout. A simple, classic-style with some fun old school features like individual saucer ball locks. I had the same issue with hitting the ramps though. I made them on occasion but majority of the time they were bricking. The animations and the stock meat footage, woof. It would have been better just being like a System 11 and having 7 digital score displays.

Quoted from Haymaker:

I've played it at 2 separate locations now and this has been my experience exactly. Worse than I thought and the flippers were atrocious!

Quoted from flynnibus:

played the game at TPF at many different spots... flipper power was never the concern with the game.

Quoted from VGC1612:

offtopic but is GTF flipper as bad as BBQ?

Quoted from Haymaker:

yeah and you also had the worlds only reliable GTF for a long time

Quoted from flynnibus:

played the game at TPF at many different spots... flipper power was never the concern with the game.

Quoted from NevadaNutJob:

Walking away from a game you started at a show is classless . Now you’re wasting someone else's time to run your balls off the table so they can start a game - it’s irritating and just poor form .

Quoted from NevadaNutJob:

Walking away from a game you started at a show is classless . Now you’re wasting someone else's time to run your balls off the table so they can start a game - it’s irritating and just poor form .

Quoted from Haymaker:

FWIW if you hold the left flipper button and start button on Sterns they will end all games in progress and go back to the home screen. I tried this on BBQ at the show because somebody left a game in progress and it reset the game, but it achieved the same result.
Flynn is probably right though, Nick, me, dozens of tournament players at another location, and a ton of people at the show all don't know what weak crappy flippers feel like.

Quoted from JagDaniels:

Oh lord... I would like to see more footage of the game and the issues. But there is just the normal meh meh meh...
Here is at least a bit of new stuff :

The left ramp shot is working pretty well in this video, was this the one everybody talked ? The right was not hit a single time.
I also don't know if the power network overseas is that different but my hot wheels and houdini (thats full upgraded with the good power supply, cap kit...) are not having issues with the flippers at all.
The left flipper on houdini was a bit sticky last league night, so i put in some new mechanics and had to reduce the settings three points down afterwards. I completly underestimated how fast the flipper mechanics getting bad in a multiball heavy game like houdini. Hot Wheels flipper settings are reduced since getting it fresh out of the box. Also my best friends GTF has no issues with the flippers.
But there are guys that even feel differences between condom brands. I never was one of those... So It's just my opinion.

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Just seems there's so little going on in the game overall. Nothing stands out save the ridiculous meat footage, which certainly does. The guy hit the ramp a bunch of times in a row but it didn't appear exciting. Otherwise, wide open middle of the playfield with em like orbits to a set of top lanes above a bumper cluster. Most of the layout would have felt basic several decades ago.

Quoted from JagDaniels:

The left flipper on houdini was a bit sticky last league night, so i put in some new mechanics and had to reduce the settings three points down afterwards. I completly underestimated how fast the flipper mechanics getting bad in a multiball heavy game like houdini. Hot Wheels flipper settings are reduced since getting it fresh out of the box. Also my best friends GTF has no issues with the flippers.

Quoted from JagDaniels:

Oh lord... I would like to see more footage of the game and the issues. But there is just the normal meh meh meh...
Here is at least a bit of new stuff :

The left ramp shot is working pretty well in this video, was this the one everybody talked ? The right was not hit a single time.
I also don't know if the power network overseas is that different but my hot wheels and houdini (thats full upgraded with the good power supply, cap kit...) are not having issues with the flippers at all.
The left flipper on houdini was a bit sticky last league night, so i put in some new mechanics and had to reduce the settings three points down afterwards. I completly underestimated how fast the flipper mechanics getting bad in a multiball heavy game like houdini. Hot Wheels flipper settings are reduced since getting it fresh out of the box. Also my best friends GTF has no issues with the flippers.
But there are guys that even feel differences between condom brands. I never was one of those... So It's just my opinion.