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Will it sell??? Licensed vs. non licensed (Stern).

By Quicksilver1

2 years ago


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    #81 2 years ago
    Quoted from HydrogenHuman:

    In the 70's pinball struggled until Evil Kenievel came out, and then it died down again towards the late 70's then took off again thanks to Flash in 1980, then died down and came back with High Speed in 85. Both of those were unlicensed pins, yet Flash is way up on the number of machines produced.
    Anyway, I'm just glad unlicensed pins are being made, and will continue to be made like that spiritual successor to White Water.

    Eight Ball Deluxe raises his hand and says, "umm..."

    #126 2 years ago

    You are right. Non-licensed cars sell just fine. Non-licensed pinballs should sell just as well.

    As a matter of fact, "dino-rock" themed cars almost never sell. Case closed.

    #152 2 years ago

    To be clear...I am NOT advocating for Stern to produce unlicensed titles (it's clear that they have found a business model that works for them).

    I am wondering though, why the environment is different now than in the B/W '90s days. Williams did well with a combination of licensed (TAF, TZ, IJ, STTNG, etc.) and un-licensed themes (MM, AFM, WH20, FT, etc.).

    Why was that a good business model then, and not a good business model now? I'd love to know the answer to this.

    Back then, the vast majority of sales were for location use - while now a much larger portion is home use (I don't know what the actual split is now - I would think it must be close to 50/50).

    For me, when buying a home machine, the gameplay is what matters (the theme just has to "not suck"). So, I would think with a now larger portion of games being purchased for the home, that the theme would matter less - not more.

    On location, I can see that a popular theme would help to attract additional customers, but wouldn't that have been the case back in the '90s too?

    Why did non-licensed themes do okay back then, but don't seem to work now?

    #169 2 years ago
    Quoted from porkcarrot:

    I can’t believe it is MOST. Maybe new people in the hobby in the last couple years who are buying LEs sight unseen, but not most the hobby. Pinball has been fun for a very long time with little regard to theme. A theme should be implemented well into the game, but I just can’t imagine not liking a machine because it isn’t a theme I like. I owned an AC/DC and I f’n hate their music.

    Well, this is part of my statement above. To me, a theme just has to "not suck" - it doesn't have to be something I am particularly a fan of.

    For example, the 3 machines I own are EBD (no, I'm not a billiards player), WH20 (no, I've never been rafting), and MB (not really a monster/horror fan). But none of these themes "suck" (like AC/DC does).

    So, I'd probably never buy an AC/DC (even if it was awesome), but I'd certainly consider any non-licensed theme as long as it wasn't stupid (i.e. Dialed In).

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