But we have our ways...

I don't think i could have put a baby shot in her lol....thats a backside shot for sure

speaking of her actor kids, sloth was shot put record holder of my HS till one of my classmates broke it in 1995, true story

That guy who bought the window from the Goonies house probably would have

what if she looked you in the eye right at that moment and asked you where the beef is?

That's been going on for a long time. Camping music festival two decades ago i pushed a stroller through grass for some wasted couple at like 3am who camped near us a long as walk from the music. I think i was coming down from doses and felt bad for the kid.

I remember my dad bringing me to the local bar while growing up. Also, I can think of at least a couple of breweries that have a little kids area, with puzzles and toys and such and almost every one of them I go to has high chairs and changing tables in the bathrooms (men's included). Especially if they serve food, they're public gathering places and that includes kids.

As some one who's in the thick of it, with a toddler daughter and infant son, we try to be aware of other customers. This means going to places early, having contingency plans on bailing out early, knowing how to set expectations, and having a plan for disciplining in a way that's not destructive (we're not ipad people, but I really sympathize with parents who are, though it really should be on silent). It works about 9 times out of 10, but I really feel bad for that tenth time, I feel bad for the people who get collateral damage of having to put up with it.

I wish other people didn't have to deal with it, but also, I can't just not take my kids into public until they're 15, and that includes restaurants, especially if I want to teach them how to behave in restaurants. I also think overly sheltered kids is how you get a kid who's ten at a restaurant acting like a three year old.

I don't think this is unique to my generation, but I do feel bad for other people who have to see it.

Man I have soooo no interest in this whole bitch fest, but real quick:

"physical reprimands" = "beat their own kids"

Come on dude. As someone who has had more than their fair share of both, I can tell you they are FAR and AWAY not the same thing. Fuck.

Elders have been complaining about youngsters since the beginning of time.
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Which is why I rarely let adult pinheads play my home games ... only it is my right eye!

Just like McDonald's mcnuggets and the alleged baby burnt leg...

I’m on my phone right now so I’m having a hard time finding the source, but I’ve read that we’re actually LESS litigious than the founding fathers. They’d sue each other at the drop of a hat.

That doesn’t mean that people aren’t looking for a pay day. Having started my career in HR, I’ve seen employees, candidates and customers all try to initiate the process, usually by filing a complaint of some kind, probably hoping you are willing to pay them to stop, but they’re actually pretty easy to respond to. You just list out whatever controls you have in place, and send it back.

At this point, unless they have some damning evidence, no lawyer is going to take them on contingency, and in all honesty, people looking for a quick payday are usually not willing to pay a lawyer on a gamble, so everything dies at this stage. The laws that prevent ambulance chasers (opening them up for defendant’s legal expenses for frivolous suits) have actually worked pretty well.

There are exceptions, of course, which become news. But there’s a sampling bias there, as there is with the prevalence of violence. Things are actually better now, not worse, we just heard about the bad stuff.

Holy shit! I love pinball BECAUSE my Dad would take me to the bar in the 70's. In Illinois, most bars had pinballs and puck bowlers. It was all part of the street taxes. The heavies(mafia), that would pinch the operators, didn't ask bar owners if they would like machines, they were told they were getting them. They were asked how many would they like! It's not like it was abuse or he was an alcoholic, he enjoyed a Jack n Coke and pinball.

Same, except replace 70s with late 80s/early-90s.

I think by that point the heavies had been kicked out through various reforms, but having pinball machines was still the default in the chicagoland area, past the time it started declining in other areas. Playing those games when out with my dad is what got me to love pinball, and I want to recreate the experience for my kids (and that probably means breweries with pinball machines, since bars within city limits are no longer allowed to let minors in).

Give me a break…….free quality child care. That’s ridiculous. Stop looking for handouts.
If you’re a parent, do your job in public. They’re your kids. Simple as that.

have 3 kids 1 son 2 daughters, girls are 10 months apart Irish Twins girls are 32/31 and son 37,and we went everywhere together, at kid orientated places when we went to restaurants, adult places, I can't tell you how many "old people" would come up to me and my wife would tell us "how well our kids acted" while we were there.......if my kids got out of line all I had to do was just give them a LOOK and is stopped instantly, no back talk or crying....that's how my wife and I were raised and we just passed it down......we were NOT their friends we were their parents......

Bottom line, dude is a dick. We all know it. He knows it. It's his place and he runs it how he runs it. You can take it or leave it. I leave it. I don't care that much that he's a dick. I care a lot more that so many of the games are hot garbage. Especially the EMs. It's no wonder that people who don't have exposure to well maintained games think EMs are terrible when that's their exposure.

And all you guys cracking on boomers, just remember who you're asking for help when you post "First EM!" requests for help...

The Coffee IS Hot stickers on the drive thru window are too funny. I haven’t had one in many years but I remember McDonalds apple pies being one of the hottest things I’ve ever tried to eat in my life.

I bought a Stihl penknife at the lawn mower store last year. It had a big sticker on it that said SHARP Blade!
It’s a knife it better have a sharp blade!

Some clarifications on our policies.

Running is never allowed. Also, no "wheelie shoes". Our polished concrete floor is very slippery. If your child runs, we give them ONE nice polite "Hey kiddo! NO running!" warning. Second warning is in a loud firm voice, some have called it yelling. "NO RUNNING This is your last warning!" There is no third warning. Guest is escorted out.

Screaming is very unpleasant. We do not allow it AFTER A POINT. We never speak to a parent for an occasional "Woop Woop!". In order to be actionable, screaming must meet ALL THREE TESTS. It must be LOUD, CONTINOUS, and HIGH PITCHED. Laughter and joy noises are encouraged as these are not brain rattling or rude. Again, a first warning, a second more firm warning, then out the door. We refuse to let the lack of discipline of the few ruin the visit of the many.

We also tell people who got baked in their car and then walked right in our front door that they smell bad and that they need to go outside and air out. We also will spray them with Frebreeze if they want. This policy also applies to people who enter smoking, or those who have shit or pissed themselves.

Picking up the machine, smacking the glass, hanging on the guns, spinning the steering wheels, or putting an infant on the playfield glass is grounds for a "No second chance" immediate kickout.

We have had training on how to handle Autistic, Handicapped, or other special needs children and adults. We all have professional grade Motorola radios and a system or color coded threat levels. Every inch of our facility and parking lot is covered with a high resolution video system.

Our goal on any event that becomes a problem is to de-escalate, or as we call it, "Being Sheriff Andy, never Barney Fife." Any attendant who is flustered or angry can be TAGGED OUT by another team member, who will then take over.

Please also try and understand that those of you who VISIT do not realize what a HUGE amount of people come through our doors in a week. In a sample that large, any fractional part of one percent will seem like a parade of people complaining about unfair treatment.

In closing, I just want to point out that our customer satisfaction glass is 99.9 percent FULL, not .1 percent empty. I have been in this same business for over 50 years now and since Covid there has been a REAL change in the way the public acts in ALL common places. We have, and will continue to adapt quickly and professionally to those who CHOOSE to violate simple safety and customer comfort rules, but we will also not allow our museum to slide into anarchy.

Full service pinball, Vegas style!

They should probably get a cattle prod to make it official!

What a weird thread!

Tim, you are a hardcore S.O.B! This is the best policy EVER! I have a complete new opinion of your madness.

Now let's talk about farting? Will you equipping employees with spot shot Febreeze bottles to nullify the airborne nastiness? How many warnings for foul crop dusting? Where does the level of toxicity max out before someone is asked to leave for frequent flatulence?

Not kicked out. They went onto more profitable ventures.

Might be heavies but they ain't dumb. They evolved and moved up the ladder.

LTG : )

I suppose the next level would have been the Cherry Masters

I know what that calls for.....!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/best-of-pinside-threads/page/15#post-7613092

Land and buildings. Where these businesses like bars and restaurants are.

LTG : )

I don’t think you should feel bad for that tenth time. That goes with the territory of the nine times they elevate strangers’ spirits when they’re being adorable.

The only thing that ever irks me is when parents ignore the cues the kids are giving. If babies are fussy, it’s because they’re hungry, tired, sitting in a dirty diaper or overstimulated. Toddlers roughly the same except for diapers. As long as parents are trying to address the underlying issue instead expecting them to have learned Eton etiquette through yelling or physical pain, I’m usually just glad my kids are past that stage in life. And by the time little kids around me come unspooled in a public place, they’ve usually already built up a ton of goodwill.

Kids need the social experience so that the 9/10 eventually becomes 99/100. From your pregame plan to execution, it sounds like you’re doing everything right, thekiyote.

Most "best of" threads get locked too.

Glad I could help. Let's expedite that process and start talking capitalism vs socialism, abortion rights, gender and identity politics, and church and state!!!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/05/13/200-degree-mcnugget-left-child-severely-burned-and-mcdonalds-liable-jury-finds/

Mother hands kid freshly made hot nuggets without warning her they're hot.

Why would anyone bring an infant to PHOF. But they do in casino’s as well. Leave ‘em with a baby sitter or stay home. Just sayin.

If you're visiting Las Vegas, you have little choice if you don’t bring a babysitter. We did a few times. The Station Casinos have Kids Quests which are great. But, you're off strip and you sign an agreement that you will stay on property...

I keep reading posts defending Tim by saying it's "his place". He has posted over the years that the PHOF is a registered 501.C3 non profit. If that's the case, then doesn't the legal "owner" have to be a charitable organization, rather than an individual? There should be a board of directors or similar corporate management structure managing the organization.

From the Tax code...

Under Section 501(c)(3), an organization must not be serving any private interests, including the interests of the creator, the creator’s family, shareholders of the organization, other designated individuals, or other persons controlled by private interests. None of the net earnings of the organization can be used to benefit any private shareholder or individual; all earnings must be used solely for the advancement of its charitable cause.

A 501(c)(3) could be the lifelong dream of its founder; however, once established as a 501(c)(3), it no longer belongs to its founder. Rather, it is a mission-oriented organization belonging to the public. To maintain its favorable tax treatment, it must operate within the confines of the law pertaining to 501(c)(3) organizations.

I was in the PHOF recently, and after a ball deflected off a target and loudly hit the underside of the glass, T. Arnold ran over and said "If you bang on the game again, I'm going to have to ask you to leave" As a 40+ year pinball collector, technician and operator, I assure you, I would never abuse any of his or anyone else's property.

Yes, you can find cases where people spent a lot of money out of pocket (or managed to convince a lawyer to spend that money) taking the case to trial and somehow managed to convince a jury to give them a payout. It's just that the number is astonishingly small compared to the number of people who try to file that initial complaint.

You just don't get a national news report for every complaint that's thrown out by the judge or decides to be dropped after the plaintiff finds out what it's going to cost. It's a sampling bias.

Because many couples are stupid and selfish, which is a rough combination.

Exactly what I mean about being touchy. No thanks. I'll avoid this place like the plague!

If you stink, YOU STINK period. Whether you smell like a buffalo or stoner, you should thrown out and told to take shower.

He doesnt freak out, he expects respect and given his arcade/pinball/bar games HOF, If your only motivation is to piss him off, dont go.

And your kids trips for running and you sue the PHOF out of existence.

Your are the problem. And dont say you wont, with your second statement regarding it Vegas being family friendly. I bet they are ok with you not going again.

I agree that many kids can be a pain, but in all fairness...my kids are very well behaved (heck, I have an entire arcade in my house...they grew up with this stuff) and they were still rude to me and my kids at the PHOF.

If they don't want kids there, they need to impose an 18+ clause.

Probably a good idea to have a cautious view of any kids. Only takes one brat to hang on a shooter rod to bring the pin down.

Well not really something that should celebrated, but bad behavior is always in vogue, until it affects you. These operators and bar owners had families, yet the mob is the hero of the story lol.

Vegas is the 5th largest school district in the country

That's a lot of kids for Tim to deal with.

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