So I got my Power supply and mpu repaired finally and got my game all up and running but there is an annoying issue with the Titan Tunnel shot.

If you shoot up the Tunnel, the ball gets stuck in the up kicker at the end of the tunnel and does not route itself into the ball save (3 for multiball). With the glass off I can hear the relay going nuts on the driver board (I think its the driver board) because the ball is stuck in there. I am pretty sure the coil tested out ok, what should be the tech path to resolve this? Consequently, if I take 2 more balls by hand and toss em up the ally they route properly to the ball save area and begin multiball minus the ball that is stuck in the kicker. The game recognizes I shot the ball 3 times up there but cant start/release the balls for the multi mode. :/ Also I got a dead upper mid pf flipper, I havent checked the capacitor yet.

Aaaaaaaany help would be appreciated. I have worked on gottlieb system 3 and pin2k but this is my first system11 and although it looks like the most simple pin I have owned from underneath, I am utterly fucking clueless!

THANKS

Took out the switch and the coil for tests, will report results when I get home.

Tempered glass for the translite shattered on me last night. I don't know if it was 1. Age of the glass 2. Humidity we've had lately 3. Hot weather 4. Bad luck

yea the kick out hole! (thank you for the correction) - the wires were on the switch terminals but the solder could have been cracked or cold, it was a sloppy ass job - I took a laser knife and just cut the wires off. I cant for the life of my understand why they didn't quick disconnect terminal everything. So lazy!!!!!!!!!!!! /barrel-roll

I recall checking the coil prior to getting the mpu and psu fixed and thought it was fine, so it MAY be the switch on the saucer, thank you. I will check that asap to see if its gunked up or just not registering anymore and report back.

Hmmm so coil reads the 4 ohms like it should be getting and the switch is reading good on both open and close sooooooooooooooooooooo either there is/was an error in the wiring or there is a problem somewhere else... I will wire it all back and and try to trace beyond those components.

I need to print out the manual and start circling heh ;/

Well, I am a baddie - I admitted it I see what you mean though. I printed out the user manual at work so I can label shit and where it is on schematics and part numbers. I will wire it back up and run the tests and report.

HOUSTON - WE HAVE A PROBLEM

I circled everything through out the manual and looked at all the schematics and went to the area on the aux board that pertained to that coil. I found J6 alright... look at the pic.

Now what? :>/

oops here is the pic

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I took out the aux power board to check the transistor and resistor to make sure htey didnt malfunction and send 50v to that pin connector lol.

In the words of Dan Forden, TOASTY!

Ok so I de-soldered and tested the transistor, diode and resistor that related to the two fried pins and my poor kickout coil. They all tested good - yay... but then I found F1 and F4 fuses were dead... 2amp 250v slow blow fuses right? Also where do I look to buy a replacement connector?

maybe the failed fuses preventing the coil to fire?

Lets make sure we are talking about the same shot. I am talking about the shot that is directly bottom left of the mini pf that you typically make with the right flipper. The ball goes in that far left bank shot against the left pf wall and gets stuck deep under the mini pf. I can hear the relay firing when the ball gets stuck in there but no coil action. Its impossible to get the ball out unless I lift the pf out of the cab and hold it down angled mid air and have someone manually move that coil arm to kick the ball up and out.

Would two dead fuses on the aux power board which delegates power to many of the coils on this game prevent the coil from firing? The coil and switch both test working. All electrical components relevant to that coil removed all tested out fine. Discovered the sneaky dead fuses after going through all the other crap.

Thanks!

thanks fellas.

I can check the manual and use the wiring matrix to make sure about the daisy chain... but if my memory serves me correctly, the rest of the game operates just fine. It had a dead MPU, Power Supply and other shit BEFORE, so maybe that is what caused the fuses to blow? the GI connector is probably just cause sys11 derp. I have a reconditioned MPU and PSU now though btw.

Alrighty, I inspected the wiring matrix on all the coils and switches looking for possible shorts and did not find any. Put back in the aux power board with the new fuses and viola! top left kicker spat the stuck ball out. Hooray right?! Well...... like a dirty whore hyrdra, fixed one problem and spawned others...

Now the ball isnt making it out of the shooter lane (didnt have that issue before...) so I manualy by hand run it up, ok fine - cool. But then, sometimes the right fliper coil randomly activates on its own, then the game THINKS the ball was lost down the middle and the game over - music stops but ball is still in play...then a Tilt.

weird issue. gotta fuck with this whore some moar I guess :/

gotcha, thanks neo

CaptainNeo knows his shit. Had 3 switches in a column row on the matrix open... found a diode bent onto the ground, that was 9 10 and 11. Now I think i am getting 11 12 13 LOL, so will check again later - I am beat. I saw some suspicious ground wiring. I will upload a pic and you let me know what you think.

I found what caused the GI connector to fry, a short on the wiring assembly for the 3 lamps on the far upper left side of the mini pf, charred wires there too LOL. Those 3 lamps dont light up. And half of my backbox gi neither (havent changed all the bulbs yet to verify though). oMost of my pf gi and insert lamps are workin tho so its not TOO big of an issue.

Once I fix these switch matrix shorts and get around to waxing I will be defeating the ballrog in no time!

Magic Eraser'd w/ alcohol the ball swirls on my pf - cleaned up real nice. The inserts are a bigger issue than I anticipated however - had to clean/scratch off the remaining silkscreening - used goo gone and a precision exacto knife but its a fuckin chore. The mylared decals are OK solution but man it would be nice if the silk screening hadn't cracked up on them (yellowing, cracking etc). Mylar free PF. Prolly not gonna clear it when done but may get away with keeping it well waxed instead.

gorgeous SoF, you BASTID! Yea the yellowing cracking thing is my issue for like - half of my inserts, the others are in the yellowing process but not totally fucked. Have you been able to clean them off on another sys11? There has to be a good technique to clean these clear. Yes - there is a decent decal set for SoF. ebay.com link: itm

I could use a new left slingshot plastic :/

What do you think about this?? >.< http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/03-7960-559

Great restoration advice, I was considering taking out the inserts themselves, but I was apprehensive about being able to properly put them back in, or possibly cracking an insert trying to take them out.

This guy makes it look incredibly easy....

Alright, just testing you . This guy makes it look stupid easy.

Ok, ill try to scrape with a cuticle pusher and sand by hand after

Ok CaptainNeo and anybody else willing to help:

This is really frustrating but I have narrowed down a few things. When I press the left flipper button - then ball trough middle (thats the end ball switch correct?) activates. Also, the upper middle flipper doesnt activate. If I hit it enough times it clears all balls and ends game or triggers a tilt.

I am hopelessly fucked/frustraed and not sure how to go about fixing this :/ so I stepped away to post this SoS.

Bump for the morning tech crew

Im trying to read and follow what the flipper buttons connect to and what they activate along the way in the switch matrix but the manual is super confusing. I wish it were written in english lol. Should I just check each diode in column where I am having problems?