Wizard of Oz
Jersey Jack, 2013Quoted from RobT:lol
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Does WOZ not have the metal brackets/cab savers like Stern? I didn't think you needed to put the plastic protectors on WOZ?
No exterior metal / plastic protectors on WOZ but felt cabinet protectors are included with each game. Not sure if exterior brackets could of even been done, or needed, with both sides already being screen printed and then clear coated.
Quoted from iceman44:Can't tell but that better be a beer! I'm saving a six pack of Trapest Belgium for the grand opening............oh yeah!
Get yourself a 4pk of la trappe quadrupel, the finest ale in the universe!
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Does WOZ not have the metal brackets/cab savers like Stern? I didn't think you needed to put the plastic protectors on WOZ?
It comes with felt but I like the look of pincabs so went with yellow as suggested by a future WOZ owner, I do have the felt underneath.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:No exterior metal / plastic protectors on WOZ but felt cabinet protectors are included with each game. Not sure if exterior brackets could of even been done, or needed, with both sides already being screen printed and then clear coated.
I don't see why they couldn't have been done or what being screen printed and clear coated has to do with it (other than they won't wrinkle). If felt protectors are included obviously JJP feels that they should have some type of protection there. I think the metal brackets (whatever you call them) that Stern came up with after the TF debacle with decal wrinkling is a great design.
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2711
The yellow pincab's on Taylor's WOZ do look good though.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:Buddys guys? If they just left I won't see them until midnight : (
Congrats and open that sucker up!
Sorry, he typed the wrong address in GPS first. It was that kind of week.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:Midnight but all good. Thanks Buddy!!
Your welcome UI just got TOTAN set up a few minutes ago. Thanks again for what you did, that pin sounds so much better with the FF speaker kit.
Played a couple of games. GI is way to dim or LEDs are way too bright. It is insanely difficult to follow the ball in the bottom third of the playfield. There are spots utilized in the game so adding some wouldn't look abhorrent. I am going to use some starpost LEDs and see if it helps. Will be adding them to the upper and lower sling post.
Game is quite different than anything I have really played. It is going to be a tough ass game. The left drain is pretty brutal, I know you can start NPLH or whatever it is called but that is a deep ass mode.
No issues out of the box. Did get a ball stuck up in the castle u-turn, may need to dial that flipper down. The collect shot for HOAC is tough as well. Looks like I might need to step my game up.
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Let me know when you have $8000.
Quoted from TaylorVA:I like the look of pincabs so went with yellow
I've had a new set of green ones sitting here for over a year now just waiting. (got the LE and figured it would go better with the legs)
'Grats!
Nice! Although pincabs may look good I would refrain from using them on a new game unless they are not touching the cab at all or they WILL dent/make impression into the wood at the larger outline dooming the pin to permanent pincab use.
OP: Congratz on the WOZ!
Quoted from iceman44:Can't tell but that better be a beer! I'm saving a six pack of Trapest Belgium for the grand opening............oh yeah!
Quoted from PW79:Get yourself a 4pk of la trappe quadrupel, the finest ale in the universe!
You guys should come and visit some time... 
And ehm, Pinballwizard79: From all beers in the world, you pick a Dutch one?
Quoted from PanzerFreak:No exterior metal / plastic protectors on WOZ but felt cabinet protectors are included with each game. Not sure if exterior brackets could of even been done, or needed, with both sides already being screen printed and then clear coated.
I ordered a set of metal brackets for mine. I assumed they should fit/work on WOZ. I like the felt, but figured the brackets would protect the cab even better.
Quoted from lllvjr:We have volume plates ready for sale if your interested for the woz.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
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My volume plate is already installed, got it in the mail two weeks ago. Nice mod.
Quoted from TaylorVA:My volume plate is already installed, got it in the mail two weeks ago. Nice mod.
Sweet!! Enjoy
Quoted from TaylorVA:Yellow flipper rubbers and replaced the slings with white rubber as well as some fender washers under the slings.
The slipper flippers are super ugly. Saw them at markmon's house as well. They were taken off and an awesome colored ruby flipper is underneath. The slippers look gimmicky, imo
Quoted from spfxted:Did you see the other Thread with the LED alignment issue?
I read it, and it doesn't really seem to help from the sounds of it...
Quoted from VegasAlleycat:I ordered a set of metal brackets for mine. I assumed they should fit/work on WOZ. I like the felt, but figured the brackets would protect the cab even better.
How do these work exactly? The felt or plastic provides a soft cushion to prevent the metal legs from scraping or pinching the cab corners when the legs are tightened down and the game may move a bit. But using a metal bracket to cushion a metal leg? Not clear what it improves.
The metal bracket sits between the leg and the cabinet, but it is a bit smaller than the leg. So, you won't see it.
Because it's rather thick and hard (compared to felt protectors), it just makes sure that the leg doesn't touch the cabinet at all (instead of just dampening the movement, like other protectors).
According to me, it's a great solution. It eliminates wear and is invisible.
I always thought the metal brackets were just for games with decals to prevent the decal from getting scraped or bunched up by the cabinet leg.-Don't you also need to screw these into the side of your cabinet for installation making them permanent? For a screened/clearcoated cabinet like WOZ I would think that felt would probably be the best option for protection.
Quoted from tomdotcom:I read it, and it doesn't really seem to help from the sounds of it...
More info on this blog
http://www.pinplay.com/4/weak_gi_on_woz_there_could_be_a_good_reason_for_that.html
I aligned my Gi LEDs but it is still too dark. The insert LEDs are really bright so may make it seem darker than it is but the lower part of the playfield is considerably darker than the upper.
I am going to add a couple of spotlights and try star post LEDs. New code may resolve it.
Quoted from MikeS:I always thought the metal brackets were just for games with decals to prevent the decal from getting scraped or bunched up by the cabinet leg.-Don't you also need to screw these into the side of your cabinet for installation making them permanent? For a screened/clearcoated cabinet like WOZ I would think that felt would probably be the best option for protection.
I put the felt on mine at they protect just fine. I declined on the metal ones, as I didn't want to screw into the cabinet, and I thought it was overkill. IMHO .
Cool hope she's a good one, thinking of getting one myself, but just got a revenge from mars and scared stiff. It would be nice to have a brand spanking new one. Going to get saving. Congrats on your new pin 
Quoted from diesel64:Because it's rather thick and hard (compared to felt protectors), it just makes sure that the leg doesn't touch the cabinet at all (instead of just dampening the movement, like other protectors).
The felt JJP provides is nice and thick. I think it will more than suffice.
Quoted from TaylorVA:Mod priorization.
Hilarious photo! Makes Dorothy look * 
* with her pusher, Glenda, right there to keep her going!
Quoted from Hitch9:I declined on the metal ones, as I didn't want to screw into the cabinet,
Do you really have to screw them into the cabinet? Won't the leg bolts going through them be enough to hold everything firmly in place? Anyway, I still haven't decided which way I'll go yet, although as gweem said, the felt is probably more than sufficient.
You're correct. No need to screw them to the cabinet, if you don't want to. I swear by the metal protectors on every game, whether it's decaled or not. They literally keep the leg away from the cabinet the thickness of the protector.
Felt protectors are fine if you don't nudge much. But if you're one who has a tendency to move the game around when you play, there's a chance the leg edges can come in contact with the cabinet leaving marks.
Either way, make sure to tighten the bolts as tight as possible to keep the game from "rocking."
Quoted from VegasAlleycat:Do you really have to screw them into the cabinet? Won't the leg bolts going through them be enough to hold everything firmly in place? Anyway, I still haven't decided which way I'll go yet, although as gweem said, the felt is probably more than sufficient.
Quoted from lllvjr:We have volume plates ready for sale if your interested for the woz.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com
Looks awesome! I'm trying to find the product on your website but I can't. I may just be having a difficult time due to the smaller screen on my smart phone. Can you please provide a link?
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:You're correct. No need to screw them to the cabinet, if you don't want to. I swear by the metal protectors on every game, whether it's decaled or not. They literally keep the leg away from the cabinet the thickness of the protector.
Don't the metal protectors just end up cutting the decal at their edge, especially if you tighten the leg down hard? It may not necessarily be visible, since it's recessed from the what the leg covers, but to me a cut decal is a cut decal, and damage is damage. I would think over time the smaller metal protectors are just focusing the damage to a smaller less seen area.
I've been lucky so far with PinCabs. I've used them on NIB games from 8-9 years ago and not seen a problem yet (TSPP and LOTR) and all my other games. I've gotten paranoid lately however, with the bad reports on them.
-Jim
Of course they leave a mark but it's under the leg and not seen. Better that then cabinet damage. And of course your cabinet will not be original, but again, better that then cabinet damage.
I think you'll find the felt will also leave an impression in the clear coated cabinet, but again, better than cabinet damage.
I much prefer a naked leg against the cabinet than Pincab protectors, but that's just me.
Quoted from heckheck:Don't the metal protectors just end up cutting the decal at their edge, especially if you tighten the leg down hard? It may not necessarily be visible, since it's recessed from the what the leg covers, but to me a cut decal is a cut decal, and damage is damage. I would think over time the smaller metal protectors are just focusing the damage to a smaller less seen area.
I've been lucky so far with PinCabs. I've used them on NIB games from 8-9 years ago and not seen a problem yet (TSPP and LOTR) and all my other games. I've gotten paranoid lately however, with the bad reports on them.
-Jim
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Looks awesome! I'm trying to find the product on your website but I can't. I may just be having a difficult time due to the smaller screen on my smart phone. Can you please provide a link?
Wish I could its not up yet lol.. Email me with ur Paypal email address and ill send you a personal bill for one. We have them in stock for sale ready to ship.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:You're correct. No need to screw them to the cabinet, if you don't want to. I swear by the metal protectors on every game, whether it's decaled or not. They literally keep the leg away from the cabinet the thickness of the protector.
Felt protectors are fine if you don't nudge much. But if you're one who has a tendency to move the game around when you play, there's a chance the leg edges can come in contact with the cabinet leaving marks.
Either way, make sure to tighten the bolts as tight as possible to keep the game from "rocking."
Yeah, but don't the metal legs also make marks on the ab? Or are the marks just hidden under the legs? I would think that plastic/felt would prevent gouging altogether.
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