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Legal Betting On Pinball... At Dave and Busters...

By SantaEatsCheese

47 days ago


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    #1 47 days ago

    Coming to a Dave and Busters near you!!!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/30/dave-busters-to-allow-customers-to-bet-on-arcade-games.html

    Arcade giant Dave & Buster’s
    is taking its games to a new level by offering social wagering on its app.

    Customers can soon make a friendly $5 wager on a Hot Shots basketball game, a bet on a Skee-Ball competition or on another arcade game. The betting function, expected to launch in the next few months, will work through the company’s app.

    Dave & Buster’s, started in 1982, now has more than 222 venues in North America, offering everything from bowling to laser tag, plus virtual reality. The company says it has five million loyalty members and 30 million unique visitors to its locations each year. The company’s stock is up more than 50% over the past year.

    As a boom in betting increases engagement among sports fans, digital gamification could have a similar effect within Dave & Buster’s customer base by allowing loyalty members to compete with one another and earn rewards. Ultimately, it could mean people spend more time and money at the venues.

    Dave and Buster’s is using technology by gamification software company Lucra.

    LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA - JUNE 23: A general view of atmosphere during The SDI Takeover @ Dave & Buster's on June 23, 2022 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Tiffany Rose/Getty Images for Six Degrees or Influence)
    A general view of the atmosphere during The SDI Takeover @ Dave & Buster’s in Los Angeles on June 23, 2022
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    “We’re thrilled to work with Lucra to bring this exciting new gaming platform to our customers,” said Simon Murray, senior vice president of entertainment and attractions at Dave & Buster’s. “This new partnership gives our loyalty members real-time, unrivaled gaming experiences, and reinforces our commitment to continuing to elevate our customer experience through innovative, cutting-edge technology.”

    Lucra, created in 2019 by then-Stanford Graduate School of Business classmates Dylan Robbins and Michael Madding, is a software platform that allows users to compete for real money on friendly competitions. Robbins and Madding previously worked together at Goldman Sachs.

    “Lucra helps our partners drive user adoption, increase retention and engagement and add new monetization streams to their business,” said Robbins, Lucra’s CEO.

    Robbins and Madding saw the incredible growth of legal sports betting, but sought to capitalize on the recreational wagers taking place between peers. The company has raised about $14 million with investors that include billionaire investor Marc Lasry, former and current professional athletes John Isner and Julie and Zach Ertz, along with the Raptor Group and SeventySix Capital.

    “We’re creating a new form of kind of a digital experience for folks inside of these ecosystems,” said Madding, Lucra’s chief operating officer. “We’re getting them to engage in a new way and spend more time and money,” he added.

    Lucra says its skills-based games are not subject to the same licenses and regulations gambling operators face with games of chance. Lucra is careful not to use the term “bet” or “wager” to describe its games.

    “We use real-money contests or challenges,” Madding said.

    Lucra’s contests are only available to players age 18 and older. The contests are available in 44 states.

    The social betting category is a $6 billion industry, according to gaming research firm Eilers & Krejcik. Several companies such as Fliff and ReBet have emerged, hoping to mimic the success of the gambling industry and capture a younger market.

    Lucra recently signed a deal with Dupr, the pickleball ratings system, and TennisOne, a tennis app, to allow players to compete against one another for real money. Lucra’s app has been downloaded 150,000 times, facilitated more than one million unique contests on the platform and collected more than $20 million of handle, according to the company.

    “Whether you’re playing pickleball with your friends or playing golf on the weekend, we help to amplify that and digitize that experience with our partners,” said Robbins.

    #2 47 days ago

    I'm surprised it's actually legal. I'd guess they've done their homework, but the regulator often comes in after the fact when things get (inevitably) derailed

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    #3 47 days ago

    great next thing you know pinball will be illegal due to gambling .... oh wait !

    #4 47 days ago

    reinforcing the kiddie casino stereotype I guess

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    #5 47 days ago

    They don't have pinballs at Dave and Busters.

    #6 47 days ago
    Quoted from calsheimer:

    reinforcing the kiddie casino stereotype I guess

    Yo dawg, Dave and busters heard you like gambling, so we let you gamble on your gamble so you can gamble while you gamble.

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    #7 47 days ago

    anyone wanna bet i'll still never set foot in that place?

    #8 47 days ago

    Weren't redemption games already close enough to gambling? Sheesh

    Despite the thread title, I don't think this will affect pinball either way since it looks like it's just open ended gambling for basically anything.

    Quoted from adol75:

    I'm surprised it's actually legal. I'd guess they've done their homework, but the regulator often comes in after the fact when things get (inevitably) derailed

    I'm surprised too, but in the last decade or so, gambling laws seem to have been relaxed quite a bit as to what people can gamble on and where.

    #9 47 days ago

    It's sad to see a company not have a clear understanding on how to better their customers experience. Start with better games and better FOOD!!!

    #10 47 days ago

    What am I missing here…. If I were to have a friendly $5 wager on a game of skeeball or whatever with another customer, why do I need an official app to do so?

    How about we each put $5 on the game table and winner takes all? Is it that there’s no convenient place to put it on a skew all or basketball game?

    I wonder if somehow D&B gets a cut of the winnings.

    #11 47 days ago

    Sweet, more opportunity for the IRS to stick its nose where it doesn’t belong!
    Gentlemen’s bets will soon be considered reportable income and you better not forget any!!!

    #12 47 days ago

    Sports betting has been legalized in the state for a while. Notice how it's conveniently offered through their app.

    #14 47 days ago
    Quoted from MooglyMoog:

    Sports betting has been legalized in the state for a while. Notice how it's conveniently offered through their app.

    via a white label gamification app called "Lucra" (gotta love the clever wordplay!), should tell you all you need to know about this effort

    https://lucrasports.com/

    #15 47 days ago

    I’m not a big fan of all the new betting on everything these days.

    I mean, a March Madness pool, or a few $$ on a big game seems ok. But, prop bets, and all this garbage seems too much these days.

    Like was mentioned above. Everything done online is recorded to the IRS. So, keep your paperwork to file every April.

    #16 46 days ago

    Awesome, one more place for me not to ever worry about going to again. I can't stand legalized gambling. I'm getting old I guess, but to me sports have become even more sketchy with all of the betting and lines going on.

    Players get suspended for life for even looking a sports book, but the stadiums, tv shows, and sometimes even some teams are sponsored by fanduel. It is gross.

    #17 46 days ago
    Quoted from EtzEtz:

    What am I missing here…. If I were to have a friendly $5 wager on a game of skeeball or whatever with another customer, why do I need an official app to do so?
    How about we each put $5 on the game table and winner takes all? Is it that there’s no convenient place to put it on a skew all or basketball game?
    I wonder if somehow D&B gets a cut of the winnings.

    You are missing the fact that the 90% of the people now don't carry cash. It's all digital. The App is a must to make these bets happen.

    #18 46 days ago

    I wonder how the app knows who to pay? You think there is some type of scorebit for skeeball out there? If the app keeps track of scores then local / worldwide leaderboard betting seems like the next logical step.

    #19 46 days ago
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    #20 46 days ago
    Quoted from SlapDrain:

    I wonder how the app knows who to pay? You think there is some type of scorebit for skeeball out there?

    In the article I read (https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/investing/dave-and-busters-gambling-betting/index.html), the betting was said to be offered to the "five million D&B loyalty members" who would be known to D&B. I gather that those people have a loyalty card tied to some money account, as contrasted to walk-ins who buy an anonymous points card.

    Still, I think this could encourage more use of cash for those side bets. Are the proverbial "90% of the people now [who] don't carry cash" just so accustomed to fees being skimmed off that they don't care?
    .................David Marston

    #21 46 days ago

    Cock fighting is right around the corner.

    #22 46 days ago
    Quoted from djreddog:

    You are missing the fact that the 90% of the people now don't carry cash. It's all digital. The App is a must to make these bets happen.

    why wouldn't they just use venmo/cashapp/ect instead of downloading a whole extra app just for betting?

    #23 46 days ago
    Quoted from Methos:

    Cock fighting is right around the corner.

    That’s the next “ logical “ step.

    #24 46 days ago

    Dave and Busters sucks! I'm all-set with overpriced greasy shitty food & stupid ticket games.

    #25 46 days ago
    Quoted from stubborngamer:

    They don't have pinballs at Dave and Busters.

    I've seen them at a few, but ALWAYS horribly maintained, barely hanging on for dear life.

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