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Help With Bally SDB Please

By GPS

8 years ago


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    #1 8 years ago

    Hi Guys

    Would you please take a look at the following picture of my SDB and advise if you see an issue with solder pad 23. This is third in from the right side. It appears to me pads 22,23 and 24 are all shorted together. I did confirm this with my dmm but maybe the dmm was seeing a return path I am not aware of. I just ordered the scheme today from Steve. I am just trying ringer a jump here if possible.

    So please, those familiar with this board please weigh in as I think this was one of the culprits with this game. Top side of the board in that area has been darkened!

    Thanks guys

    G

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    #2 8 years ago

    Sorry ,23 is third in from the left going towards the right. Pin 25 is on the left in the solder side shot and pin 1 is on the right. Other shot should be self explanatory

    Thanks again

    G

    #3 8 years ago

    It does not appear that pad 23 is connected to anything (no traces seem to run to it). Can I just yank it off the board and hence eliminate a possible shorting condition between 24 and 22 that caused the blackening on the topside shot?

    G

    #4 8 years ago

    23 is supposed to be connected to 22 and 24.

    It is part of a big clump of ground connections.

    It all looks normal.

    #5 8 years ago

    Ok. Thank you vid. Just trying to wrap my head around why I would have the heat discoloration on the topside. Oh well. Maybe I am overthinking. Thanks again vid

    #6 8 years ago
    Quoted from GPS:

    Just trying to wrap my head around why I would have the heat discoloration on the topside.

    Hacks try to "reflow" the solder on the pins with too small of an iron.

    Because all those pins act as a heat sink when bunched together, someone probably got out a Solder Gun, lol

    #7 8 years ago

    Roger that vid. I am assuming from my basic understanding of the bird that 22-24 are ground. Is this accurate?

    Thanks vid

    #8 8 years ago

    What I did not share with you vid is that the female socket that plugged into J3 pin 23 or there a outs was actually melted. This is what had me thinking about a short??? See the picture below. Maybe this was caused by the rectifier board which was a total mess and has been replaced

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    #9 8 years ago

    An oxidized connector with a lot of current running through it can heat up.

    It does not mean that there was a short, just high resistance.

    #10 8 years ago

    Ok. Good point/possibility

    #11 8 years ago

    That looks like P23 and P24 burned? Those are not the typical pin(s) to burn on that plug. P23/24 is the ground return for the solenoids. I'd imagine that connector passed tons of current to burn like that. The ground return for the solenoid shouldn't burn up like that. The fuse should blow. Check the rectifier board for the correct value at (F4 i think it is) and then check the solenoid fuse for PF. Check the flipper relay, are there any traces burnt off around the flipper relay? Any solenoid coils melted like a flipper or knocker? Id assume a solenoid shorted, started consuming tons of current, the fuse didnt blow because a bonehead put a 20amp fuse in there, and the connector there started to be the weak point that burned open.

    Get a new connector housing, new crimp pins, and new header pins. I am not sure if anyone makes the housing new anymore, so may end up super gluing too smaller ones together or stealing one from another game

    For what it is worth.... bally went back and forth isolating the solenoid ground return from the rest of them on the driver board j3. Earliest boards are commoned together at the driver board. Early 80s isolated back to rectifier, then later on they commoned to the other grounds again at j3. They where probably trying to get rid of the extra noise that leaks into the switch matrix. From your picture it looks like the grounds are all connected together, but might not be.

    #12 8 years ago

    Thank you Barak. All new rectifier board which was a sh$t mess no doubt. Probably what caused the issue. New headers already in the board along with new caps and ground mods.

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