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Quoted from CrazyLevi:This is like the 3rd time they’ve been promised a lifeline.
Hope is eternal...
Quoted from VDrums2112:So if deeproot is so hyped up about pinball, and they've gotten Oursler, Nordman, Theil and Morris... What the fuck do they need JPop for??? They certainly didn't get those guys because of JPop's involvement. Why put up with the JPop shitshow backstory? Take your 4 talented guys, make a game and present it with the hype, enthusiasm (and ego) that you have now and avoid all the crap... If this company came out with these 4 guys and said "here's what we're going to do" and JPop's name was never attached to it, they'd have gotten a much better reception from the community.
Come on! If there is ANY way for the people that got screwed to get a refund, or their games...I'm all for it!
Quoted from AmericanPinball:In brief, only API has the rights to market or produce a Houdini™ pinball machine.
Quoted from AmericanPinball:In brief, only API has the rights to market or produce a Houdini™ pinball machine.
So you are saying this is not true?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I almost sent him $15,000 right then and there.
That's why they call you CRAZYLevi
Quoted from deeproot:We are proceeding with John's original Houdini design but not the Houdini name
No worries....ya still got "Sexy Copperfield"!
I think the goal is to get rid of the Poppadork lawsuits. They don't want an employee going to court every month.
Quoted from rubberducks:On recent evidence, John being in the dock 5 days a week wouldn't have any significant impact on his productivity.
The deal is good for people that were never going to sue Poppadoosh anyway.
....also, let's not hang these guys until we see what they can do. If Nordman is there, something must be right....
Quoted from flynnibus:but probably has nothing to repay you with.
...except the money he's getting paid from Deeproot...
Quoted from Makakka:deeproot Tech Zidware Webinar:
Is John Popadiuk working on the games (MG, RAZA, AIW)?
Yes with colaborative help from the deeproot team."Hail to the pinball wizard! Keep going!
You wouldn't be so kind if you lost $45,000 to this crook/conman.
Any company that uses this "stain on the pinball industry" has a lot to prove before anyone gets on board....
It seems that with all the tech we have today pinball is primitive. Wood for playfields instead of something that protects art and is almost indestructible. All those wires and "stuff" under the playfield. Lets get into the future.....
Quoted from master_of_chaos:Why use steel balls on wooden playfield and nit woodened balls on steel playields?
Quoted from chad:"Live action internal side art" Quick go register the patent!!!
On it!
Zidware Claims Update
Hi!
We want to thank the 21 people who have filed claims thus far. Of the 21, 15 have been approved and we anticipate the remaining 6 will be approved shortly. We believe there are ~78 non-plaintiffs that have not yet filed claims. If you are one of those non-plaintiffs, please do file a claim whether or not you think you qualify or have enough proof. Please let us try to help you.
Please see here for the Goodwill Terms: https://zidware.deeproottech.com/
Please click here to Start a Claim: https://zidware.deeproottech.com/claim/create
Thank you!
--deeproot Pinball
Quoted from deeproot:think it is natural to have this perspective without the facts.
Regardless of anything, Robert...thanks for coming here with an update. I hope everyone gets a machine or refund. I'm keeping an open mind.
Quoted from frobozz:If you're going to make fun of John, I'd appreciate you *not* using a picture I took to do so...
Hah! I'm making a tee shirt with it!
Quoted from Fulltilt:I already lost my butt. It can only improve from here.
Butt is lost...
VERY interesting read! So, Pinball Scummers would not even give up Alien if Deeproot would make them. Sheesh!
Quoted from Fintan_Stack:A lot of you guys are way too harsh on Deeproot. Yes, everybody hates JPOP. But at least with DR taking him on there is some chance of getting something for your long-gone money. And now they are saying they'll help out victims of Dutch and Heighway. Cut them some slack and see what happens.
There is clearly a lot going on with these guys. I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. It's new pinball from a company that has their own money and just about every available well known designer onboard. Oh, and they are not asking anybody for any money! That's a refreshing change.
True, but you just have to question what they do when they hire someone that has fucked over plenty of people and the pinball community. They either don't give a shit....OR, they are really trying to make things right. Only time will tell....
In a nutshell.....
At this point it is not logical to offer a deal to any current or former Plaintiff with this litigation still pending. It is unfortunate that the Plaintiffs chose to reject the settlement and ultimately choose nothing over something.
Quoted from o-din:Yes, as they do have a functional website, and that is one of the most important things pinsiders need to give them confidence in any company.
Quoted from Mr68:Why does everyone want to see Dennis Nordman's tits?
I guess you haven't seen them yet! Worth it!
Quoted from Rondogg:80's license they just got better be BTTF.
Nope...it's Deadly Spawn...
KS Header Variant Logo (resized).jpgQuoted from Frippertron:This is FUN! It's like the Ted shed pic thread. (What happened to the pics Ted?)
I agree! We SHOULD get back to me!
ted park and orch (resized).JPGQuoted from wcbrandes:some type of Margarita ted?
Yes! (Deeproot)....a Margarita make with Don Julio 1942 tequila. (Deeproot) ....just to keep "On topic"
Quoted from djreddog:And what I can’t comprehend is that your company continues to get and receive so much hate and it’s simply not warranted.
Nobody hates the company! Just Poppadouchebag!!
Quoted from JodyG:I've been curious if fiberglass reinforced plywood would be a way to make playfields much more durable.
Why can't they be made out of that fake wood look-a-like stuff they make decks out of?
Quoted from mbaumle:Stupid 3D glasses for 3D televisions are definitely the reason it died.
The passive glasses are the same ones you wear in the theatre. Almost every major film still comes out in 3D. Many of the 3D Blu Ray releases sell out except now we send our money overseas to get them. Most of my "film friends" have 3D TV or 3D projection. A bunch of them have bought extra TV's and store them. (just in case) Some of the 3D capable TV's are now in the $1,500 to $2,500 range! Bah!
When the new Avatar films come out, maybe there will be a resurgence....
Quoted from pinballlife:I wish them all the best. Pinball is a big commitment and getting it right always takes longer than expected.
I'm not wishing them anything! They hired a scumbag thief! THEY have to prove themselves to US!
Quoted from rubberducks:"The designer will also help set up the machine, discuss the design process and the game, and play your game at your place of residence!! You can invite up to four friends."
lol...yeah...have Poppadouchebag come over someones house. I'm sure they will have 4 "friends" there.....
Quoted from PinBackpacker:Here we have a new pinball company that has not asked any customers for deposits, is trying to compensate individuals impacted by the Zidware fiasco (which they have no obligation to do), and has offered to give away 5 machines after they launch, yet all Pinside does is bitch. What a bunch of babies we've become.
You missed the point. It's that they hired that crook to begin with. That's the main problem. When they do that, ALL of what they do or say is suspect.
Quoted from PinBackpacker:Then don't buy from them. Life goes on...
Yes, I understand that....i'm just trying to explain why the mistrust, etc....
Quoted from deeprootmatt:I will also preface this message with this: I get it. He screwed up. A lot of people here are upset. And i completely understand that.
Yeah, he screwed up...and screwed MANY people. And his reward? He gets hired.......
Quoted from Borygard:However, I don't think JPop should continue to be chastised so much. He definitely screwed up, and obviously has issues, but he's never thrown his hands up and said fuck it. He's continued to look for some kind of solution to get what he's promised done. He could have very easily just done what SkitB, Heighway, VonnieD, and Dutch have done and just walked away. He continued to try to get the games built though, to the point of getting two different, new pinball manufacturers involved.
Good point!
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:Funny though this doesn't work like that in voiceover acting. You can copy
Someone's voice all day long and you don't owe them a dime. (Which, to be clear, is a good thing)
Not entirely true. A radio commercial was run here with an Arnold impersonator. They had to remove it.
SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
[0009] The present invention improves the basic functions of pinball cabinets. The present invention improves the system for accessing the playfield without removing or handling glass. The glass top assembly is lifted from the front edge and rotates upwards around an axis created by a four bar linkage assembly. The use of a four bar linkage assembly lifts the glass top assembly over the top panel which provides an unobstructed area to access or remove the playfield. Furthermore, the present invention calls for an automated or power assisted lifting mechanism through use of pneumatic/hydraulic cylinders.
[0010] The present invention improves the mechanism used to fold down the backbox without interfering with the artwork on the exterior surfaces of the backbox and side panels. The present invention utilizes a pillar assembly which permits an upper sleeve to slide over a lower sleeve and eventually fold over the lower sleeve. The present invention does not mount or utilize any components that interfere with the exterior surfaces of the backbox or side panels.
[0011] The present invention improves access to the playfield for servicing and maintenance through utilization of two pairs of four bar linkage assemblies. The playfield exists in four positions with the first position in the cabinet ready for use. The second position exposes the playfield outside of the cabinet but partially positioned over the cabinet. The playfield is positioned outside the cabinet and not above the cabinet in the third position. The playfield remains generally level with the ground in the second and third positions. In the second and third positions, the playfield may rotate 360 degrees such that the underside of the playfield may be rotated to be in the up position. The fourth position results in the playfield rotated down where it is perpendicular to the ground. Each position provides different advantages for accessing all sides of the playfield.
[0012] Due to the limited space within a pinball cabinet that exists under the playfield, the mechanisms for the above components and systems are designed around each other as spacing for one component may interfere with spacing of other components. The present invention provides a single solution for the problems of accessing the playfield, servicing the playfield, and folding down the backbox without interfering with the artwork.
Quoted from herbertbsharp:Surely that can't be the only reason
...and stop calling me...
Quoted from iceman44:Well if delivery isn’t coming by June 30 then I’m rolling my claim to whenever it is.
TWIP: As part of the Goodwill Terms on the web page, you state “deeproot Tech will deliver elected game(s) no later than June 30, 2019″. Is that when we can expect to see a deeproot pinball machine for sale?
dr: When the masterpiece is ready, we will let everyone know. By the very terms, that would be the latest date permitted.
Quoted from deeproot:Don’t worry, but for the drama around Jpopalicious
How can you even joke about this jackass, lying sack of shit crook?
Quoted from PoppyCock:so did deeproot take care of the zidware and magic girl guys? I thought I read that deeproot was making an announcement on how they were going to take care of you guys around June 1st. Has this happened?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I can't wait for the announcement that they've plugged the "Countdown to Awesomeness Clock" in the break room back in.
I heard they now have a Countdown to when the Countdown Clock will be plugged in....
Fear Of Missing Out, used to describe that feeling of anxiety which many people experience when they discover that other people have had fun together, been successful at something, or done just about anything ...
As opposed to Mo Fo.....
Quoted from flynnibus:people gave money to a guy who literally called himself some kid in the basement... so standards are low
[Insert spit-take] !
Quoted from fanuminski:I haven't seen dimpling on my ping pong table... maybe pinballs should not be steel
and we should be using ping pong balls. (of course, smaller ones)
Ya know...that's not as stupid as it sounds! Why DO the balls have to be solid metal??
Well, it's taken a while, but I'm starting to get over my hate for this company. That hiring the crook, Jpoop, just left a bad taste in my mouth. Yeah, I know SOME of you are getting machines so you have to play nice. If they would have originally said we are taking on Jpoop to clear up his bullshit and get everybody who paid into this scam a machine...I would understand.
But they hired him first and then offered something with a time limit and conditions which everyone wasn't happy with. (and STILL no apology from that guy) And, yeah, I know they have no obligation and you're getting something rather than nothing....but they hired a con artist that screwed many people out of hard earned money. But with that said, I'm beginning to soften up a bit. With all the boasting though, the main thing now is price. If it's regular Stern or JJP pricing....well, you know. Someone said it best, this machine should have a fantastic introductory price point. I can't imagine it's gonna be sub $5k, but lower than $7K. Sorry for the ranting....I didn't get much sleep....
Quoted from razorsedge:I sense a price point between 4990 and 5490... for the Fully Featured Final Production RAZA "PREMIUM"
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:jPop is an idea person - he’s the dreamer, the “visionary”
jPop is an idea person - he’s the dreamer (con man), the “visionary” (thief)
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:Of course not, it came from K-rumor broadcast.
Of which about 70% is conjecture and rumor.
EVERYTHING on here is 70% conjecture, rumor or bullshit....
Quoted from wolfemaaan:They missed the boat.
You remember........
"How to become a millionaire in the pinball business?"
Start as a billionaire.....
Quoted from iceman44:I will post whatever Deeproot replies to me
I know one thing for a fact.....Deeproot follows this Thread!
Quoted from cjchand:Your average person wouldn’t be able - or willing - to make simple adjustments to leaf switches, for example. Hell, many would be too intimidated to pull the glass to free a stuck ball.
Stop making fun of me!
Quoted from DS_Nadine:Deeproot Day is less days away then the US sales decrease percentage of corona beer due to people actually mixing it up with covid19!
Quoted from Bublehead:Actually Covid 19 is the name of the disease you get from the virus... if we are counting chickens...
Damn! I got a case of Corona! AND...I touched my face 3 times!
0 (resized).jpgQuoted from littlecammi:I'm afraid to shake hands because of the shortage of toilet paper.
Quoted from JodyG:And it sounds like Dennis Nordman is no longer with the company? Kaneda heavily hinted he moved over to CGC?? Dennis is like the town bike...everyone in the biz has had a ride on him now.
Dennis has a very good Bullshit-o-meter......
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:That's the real fact.
Er, there is no real fact as nobody known nuthin'! We have to SEE what happens...
Quoted from DakotaMike:Anyone have any additional insight into any of this, or into how RM and Kaneda got hooked up in the first place,
It was online dating. They have now moved in together. This may just be a rumor....
Quoted from RA77:Here is your mini Techno trip Mr Odin
What's the name of that cartoon? I wanna see the original...
Quoted from Extraballz:I feel a Deeproot announcement any day now.
I feel something too.........hitting the bathroom!
Again...not knowing much....why can't the lock down bar and even the whole body be made out of fiberglass? (it's good enough for a corvette)
It also seems that there are plenty of materials out there that would stand up to a metal ball better than wood.
Why can't the backglass and wraparound be a big screen so you can change images? (and make animated backglasses neat)
It would be cool if there could be a projector that could project an image on the bottom of the glass.
There's GOTTA be a better way to raise and lower legs than that screwy pad thing on the bottom...
I like wires that have snap in connections and no solder. The easier it is to replace things the better.
Just things off the top of my head as I drink coffee getting ready for football....
Quoted from toyotaboy:"Hey John, I've been waiting for my sandwich for 20 minutes now!"
"I haven't started making ANY sandwich yet. First I have to design the cardboard container to hold the sandwich, then I have to do develop the artwork for the box"
"So how much longer?"
"Probably like 3-4 months at least"
...but I'll take pre-payment now.....AND for the next sandwich...
Quoted from DennisNordman:You have no idea what you are talking about.
lol...I almost peed! It was like the Marshall McLuhan scene in Annie Hall!
annie hall Marshall McLuhan (resized).jpgQuoted from spinal:Let’s stop trying to make everything look like it was all planned.
Occam's razor
I'm STILL not sure I understand the whole RAZA thing! They own the license. They can make as many as they want, no? If it started selling well, why not make more?
Why limit the time to buy? They sold 130. If the game got out there and was good it would sell more. Unless they just want to sweep this whole thing under the rug....
Why release a time line when you don't even have all your shit? And why the hell would you hire a thief? .....there's still so much I don't understand....
Quoted from CrazyLevi:They have other priorities, like making pinball machines and selling them for money.
...and they call you Crazy......
Quoted from Mr68:Notice how the mermaids have ripped off the divers mask and air and are drowning him.
Maybe not. They are just taking off his mask so they can give him the kiss that transforms him into a Merman. Then they take him to their lair and live happily ever after. ....at least that's how I see it...
Quoted from Oldgoat:Just curious
Hey, Oldgoat! Love the Avatar! Right now I'm working on my 11th book.....right up your alley!
cm 11 cover fun (resized).jpgQuoted from JodyG:From what I hear from people who worked with him in the past, working with Jpop is akin to running an adult daycare.
Stop insulting adult daycare!
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:Good lord! Ted I have a Montecristo No. 2 with your name on it at the next Monster Bash. (2022?!)
Yay!!!
How many Dead Hookers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
......At least 6 because my basement's still dark!
Quoted from Mr68:Ted. I demand a recount!
Party's gettin' bigger!!
Screen Shot 2021-06-16 at 8.43.14 PM (resized).pngQuoted from PismoArcade:Speaking of t shirts from pinball companies that never produced a game....
Yeah! Memory Lane! Early on the SKIT-B guys wanted to give me a tee shirt. I said I don't wear them only button shirts. So they sent me this in 2XL! A collector's item for sure!
shit b 1 (resized).jpgshit b 2 (resized).jpgThey said just because I said there would be an update today...there will be no update! Sorry!...my fault....
They tried to offer the "Goodwill Deal" to people and have them sign off so they wouldn't get sued. Everyone didn't sign off, so are the rest of the people keeping the lawsuit going?
Quoted from Beechwood:I am guessing his budget went like this: "One for you, two for me. One for you, three for me..." Etc.
Actually it's.....One for you, one for me. Two for you, one...two for me. Three for you. One...two...three for me....etc...
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Tenant has gone from paying rent twice a year to twelve times. I wonder why?
No more credit.....
Quoted from NoQuarters:The best thing anyone could do with JPop's work is take it out back and burn it
...."only way to be sure."
aliens.gifQuoted from blueberryjohnson:some old raza art
WOW! I never knew Jpoop drew so good!!
Quoted from Rascal_H:This hobby is so fucking strange.
....just the people, my friend...just the people...
Quoted from greatwichjohn:But time will tell in the future who continues on, & who might come to a end.
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Quoted from thechakapakuni:Actually you can thank me for Elvira 3. I’m the one who came up with it back in 2015 and told Dennis and Greg I wanted them to do it. I even reached out and spoke with Cassandra’s agent. I came up with a theme and fleshed it out with Dennis to present Elvira in a more timeless fashion. Dennis and I let things go after working with Charlie didn’t work out. Then at TPF 2017 I sat in the back of the room smiling when Cassandra Greg and Dennis announced that it was going to be made in the breakout session. While I don’t know what the current design or status is, if rumors are true that Stern is going to delay it’s release, I would love to purchase the license from them and finish it right. —Robert
From my interview with Dennis: the whole thing here: https://www.thedeadlyspawn.com/pinball411/
TED: Which games do you like that aren't your own? Attack from Mars? Medieval Madness? They seem to be the most popular right now.
DENNIS: Actually I haven't played a lot of Medieval Madness because I was out of pinball for a long time...what I remember, my favorites, back in the day when I was doing research for my cabinet design, I used to play Steve Ritchie's Flash all the time, I loved that game. I played Wizard a lot...and then I remember Steve’s High Speed, I thought the story line in that game was just incredible. I don't have a lot of modern favorites.
Elvira & the Party Monsters backglass with Dennis as Wolfie!
TED: Here's the big question...when are we gonna’ do the third Elvira machine....EATME?
DENNIS: (laughter) Yeah! Who's idea was that?
TED: That was mine. Elvira And The Monster Entourage (EATME) I actually even bought the web address.
DENNIS: That's the greatest name! I don't know, on the Pinside Poll there were about 175 Very Positive responses to a new Elvira game and one of the reasons I did that poll was to try and help convince a manufacturer that another Elvira license would be a good idea. I even called her agent myself to see what's involved in getting a license to maybe make a boutique version of Elvira, but that won't happen because the agent wants a guarantee of x number of games and upfront money.
TED: Wow...that's a little crazy by today's standards. I heard that Cassandra had a conversation with Jersey Jack about a possible pinball game, but he didn't call her back...
DENNIS: I heard Jack just thought the license was too expensive.
TED: But you would be interested in getting involved with a small production run?
DENNIS: Yes, I would like to do Elvira–Zombie Hunter...
TED: Hey...what happened to Elvira and the Monster Entourage??
DENNIS: (laughter) Ok, that will be my second choice...but Greg and I would love to do the machine. If 175 people on Pinside said they'd buy it, then how many other hundreds would there be that would like to have it as well?
Quoted from Mr68:I think the only trouble you might have is if Deeproot fights it.
I think they might have a few other things to worry about before fighting a chargeback....
Quoted from greatwichjohn:JPOP can have a bad rap, but he is known in the industry & inducted along with others. Another reason many companies continue to hire him. Deeproot was the latest. & unlikely the last.
Ahhh, you got us! You've been pulling our leg all this time and probably laughing your ass off! Good one, it's GOTTA be this, because NOBODY could be that stupid! ....gotta admit...you are good!
Quoted from DennisNordman:Well, I'll be darned, that's my foamcore layout.
Hi Dennis! What game was it for?
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Ironic? This was expected.
Wolfie! I'll be in Hilton Head tomorrow....
Quoted from 27dnast:Yes, oral and throat cancer will make this whole DeepRoot thing seem like a walk in the park.
You said it! I'm glad that you don't smoke, drink, do drugs or wear leather...
Quoted from greatwichjohn:If they had a actual plan to start building actual games within days with a real production line.
Quoted from Rarehero:Hey, my fuckin’ kid reads Pinside, too - I don’t want her learning the word “stupid” from the god damn internet!!
"shit", "piss", "fuck", "cunt", "cocksucker", "motherfucker", and "tits" .....enjoy!
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Anyone tried reaching out to the deeproot pr rep for comment?
Yes, they said it was a temporary 5 to 10 year glitch......
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:We can't even figure out how to make a pinball machine but he thinks we should add airplanes?"
Quoted from TreyBo69:What were Robert’s best terrible pinball ideas?
HAMMERTESTED!
Quoted from frobozz:Novel idea? Apparently you've never worked on an Atari Hercules! I have nightmares about wriggling under one on a nasty beer-soaked carpet...
You HOPE it was beer......
Quoted from benheck:And no, CGC remakes aren't original themes. You've heard of Cactus Canton? Then it's an IP!
That is the one made in Taiwan. Cactus Canyon is the CGC remake....
Quoted from greatwichjohn:No one is looking to take any money until the mess is sorted out. See if anything IP or assets can be used towards pinball production. The JPOP & Deeproot relationship has to be sorted out. Along with the person who still likely has ownership rights (Bill).
Do I think JPOP or Deeproot games might be made. Maybe, but at this time it is a long shot unless many hurtles are resolved. Or likely IP will be bought not be be used or for different pinball projects in the future.
The unknown is all the IP that all the employees were working on all these years. So far that info seems to be not spoken for in the legal proceedings.
Quoted from mbeardsley:but what would you do with a hundred of them?
Make a lot of money....
Quoted from TreyBo69:Robert found Jesus before going to jail
Too late! Jesus is now up for auction.....
Quoted from Mr68:Too many people for me to publicly recognize and I recently noticed some of you with gray hearts on your profile. I hope you don't mind but I will be donating to Pinside in your name and changing them to red. You guys deserve some recognition.
Just checking......
Quoted from greatwichjohn:For all we know he might be bunkered working on his games or dreams with someone to keep him focused.
Quoted from damageinc55:Perhaps it's because he is a dirtball thief?
Stop insulting the other dirtball thiefs!
Quoted from frobozz:You mean, like late-60s/early-70s Bally EMs had?
"What is old is new again!"
Quoted from toyotaboy:hopefully it's a cardboard box under a bridge
Stop insulting people living in cardboard boxes!
Sorry....been away....just caught up and watched the CT Video. Seems like a nice guy who means well. Time will tell. I didn't like that he didn't mention the scamming crook, er, ex employee jpoop and that he would have nothing to do with him. (maybe a future video)
Quoted from Roostking:Because he plans to work with Jpop.
If that's the case then i guess he's learned NOTHING.....but he will....the hard way....
I don't know....sorry guys, but I like this Chris character. We ask questions, he answers them. He's willing to take us on the ride....good or bad. I like that and I enjoy seeing the process. So, Chris, you keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure the experts here will tell you if you go astray. I for one will be watching and learning and enjoying the process of starting a new pinball company.
For now I just have to take it that he means well and will try to keep us all in the loop. I understand that he may not have made up his mind on a few things....
The scary thing is, Poppa Douche Bag just turns over a couple storage bins full of stuff and doesn't have to go to jail.....
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Can you feed that back into ChatGPT and ask it to fill out a few funny ones?
.....or Crazy Levi....
Quoted from CLEllison:Pleading ignorance and looking humbled is the perfect play on jurors. He's a salesperson, he could sell it.
Think OJ......anything could happen....
Quoted from RCA1:Instead, Mueller manufactures questions of fact where none exist by making self-serving statements unsupported by the record or applying flawed legal interpretations"
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