600 LE for GOTG was way too many.

Should have been 400 maximum to have a chance of selling out.

So, manufacturers need to make an amount that will sell out, just like the old days...... of a few years ago!

Yep... exactly.

Everyone is excited for all the options in the coming year but the end result I’m afraid will not be what most expect.

Same thing happened in the sports card market after Upper Deck in the 90s

The first LEs were sought after. Highly. Some still are.

But they have bastardized the idea of what an LE really is

Kapow gets it. JJP finally put a number on a CE.

200. Look how fast they sold out at $12,500 if everybody sticks

I’m looking forward to the next boutique run

The Stern LE model is finished in its current state

They also need to make sure the LE is truly special. STLE is a perfect example of an LE done right. Consequently, they have held their value much better than most of the other LE's.

That's the environment of today for sure but I don't know that that's very sustainable.

Location pinball has been in steady decline for over a decade. It drove pinball for 50, 60 years. It helped manufacturers make design decisions. The things we as buyers lament like service rails or the lack of schematics are the things that operators used to demand. Is it a coincidence that QC is being called into question once pins start being marketed towards the home buyer?

These are just musings.

YES

You can’t just take a premium, slap gold trim on it and call 1 of 600!

BM66LE has some nice differentiating features too along with a run of 240

Limited editions should be very limited like JJP is doing.

Stern needs to find a way to get the premium machine and features to the pricepoint of a current pro and make it the new std machine and then still have a really special unique LE version that is truly limited in production.

Agreed, LE’s need something truly special to stand out and retain value. But even STLE has taken a slight hit. There’s a really nice one on the market presently for $7500.

It’s all relative if you’ve been in the game for a while and don’t buy too many NIB. Sell low and buy low.

But man, what a great time to be somebody just getting into this mess of a hobby we all love so much! So many amazing choices in the used market... I know it’s not the early 2000’s, but compared to a couple years ago there’s some truly fantastic deals if you have the patience to hold out for them

This....

They really need to make the LE a truly limited thing. 250 tops.

I agree, but ST LE took a while to sell out and there was a time before the code was completed when people complained about ST LE (didn't like the art, unfinished code, too many made, not as good as SM black, etc) just like they complain about more recent LEs. Some ST LE sold for much less than they paid new in box. I once passed on a HUO ST LE for $6k - of course I regret not buying it now.

Makes no matter mind to me because I am not selling,I remember waiting 4 months for my le and recieved it on July 24 2016 and have loved it even since ,new code will come next year

Say what?

It took a public outcry to finally get JJP to put a number on anything like the POTCCE. 200

Jack just can’t stand to leave a potential sale on the table

They don’t make a real LE.

Wait, ins't JJP doing 1,000 "Limited" Editions? So the CE is really the LE and the JJP LE is most common model. Strange.

I always get a chuckle when I see this badge on a vehicle.

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There are too many choices for a single title; Pro, Premium,LE, CE, SE, Red Edition, Smaug Edition. It's crazy. On a given title I woul like to see a basic pin and a real LE with low numbers. This will make it much simpler for the market to figure out and value. Then the LE pins will actually be limited and hold value.

Friend ordered his POTCLE after expo just got his number which, I believe, was just over 1000. LE doesn't mean much as a collectible and seems to be assigned in no real sequence either.
I don't think he cared.

1000 LE green woz
1000 LE red woz
1000 LE bronze Hobbits
???? LE gold Hobbits
???? LE Black Hobbits
2500 (!!) LE Dialed In (according to IPDB)
???? LE POTC (JJP site doesn’t state the number!)

the only “limited edition” game JJP makes is the standard model.

rd

If jjp sells all of the potc ce I guarantee there will be another Ce like woz and hobbit. Im still in on getting a standard potc2 if they get call outs and actual movie music. I have my purchase pencil ed in for 2019 when we know what the final sound package will be.

2019?lol

I think the 6th and final installment of the franchise is slated for 2019.

Maybe they will do a super special edition to include this in 2019.

Not

I sold it to a pinsider but not on pinside. When he bought it it was ghosted and he bought it with the assumption that the palyfield may not be replaced. Hence, the low price, still a bargain at that.

I think that Premium games are more rare the LE games.

Any number over 500 isn’t really “Limited” in this hobby. It’s all just artificial collectibility. If you prefer the art package or an included feature that’s fine, but don’t buy it for the scarcity.

Never! No ghosting or crap game play on the Met Pro

Id say the low will be $6500, the average $6800-$7200, and a high of $7500 for a while on GBLE.
However, I expect the lower numbers to fall off and in a year or two $6900 will be the magic low number, but
nut much more on the upper end.
I have found after a period, it becomes a "want" so demand increases, and a few hundred dollars wont matter
for distance/shipping, and happy buyers buying first HUO buyers games will be in demand.
The cycle is repeated and has been, for many years with minor changes for "good games" vs, "Great games"

The limited only matters in relation to demand. 10,000 or 100, both can have a demand that makes the prices feel
like "Limited"

How many runs of GoT Premium do you think stern made? By the looks of this there was 260 made in the first run. I never heard of a second run on the line. With 400 LE made and a shit ton of Pro made. There’s nothing limited with that many LE’s made, and there’s nothing special about the Pro model. Where should a collector spend their money if they are looking for a low production game? Maybe Spooky has production numbers figured out with their small runs I could see those games difficult to find second hand.

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There’s an HUO GB premium on pinballbash.com for 6K right now. I am more drawn to these GOT premiums in the low 5Ks.

I wish they'd just piss the LE model off. Just have a full featured Collectors Edition with everything, a premium with the same gameplay but not trim, and Pro. Personally I want best model, as on an LE, but im not willing anymore to jump in sight unseen, 12 months before code is finished, to get it. If I could buy a "collectors edition" in 12 months after playing it and code is done, I would. I would even pay the same price as an LE.

Plus, LE's are really only important if you are a large collector who rarely moves games. I usually keep my games for 2 years max. So having a "limited" game makes no sense.

Code could make a big difference, but they'd have to make some fairly substantial changes IMO, which I doubt they will.

I don't see this game recovering. The damage has already been done.

It will be reminiscent of what happened to XMLE or Hobbit. A mint XMLE is only a 5K game on a good day.

These things fluctuate all the time.This same convo happened with STLE. I bought an HUO one from a pinside for $5700. Still have it. It’s the same cycle...games come out, they drop in price, then settle if they are good games. The same will happen here. It’s a buyers market right now but it may not be forever.

Gotta say it. BM66 and Lyman is going to be the MAJOR hit of 2018.

At .81 this pin is becoming F ing awesome!

When its finished by year end it will confirm what i already know, "IN LYMAN I TRUST"

And Keith for that matter.

These guys are in a whole F ing different league than everybody else, period end of story.

Holy shit Batman, it might be better than TWD.

Will never be even close to that POS layout of Xmen or TH.

It's gorgeous artwork and so much great stuff going on versus those two dogs.

That said, they are ALL going down in price.

I'd buy an XMENLE if i needed firewood for the winter and was desperate.

It looks to me like the pinball prices are compressing into a tighter range. The LE high end pins are coming down in price and the mid-range games like Funhouse, Congo, Creech and White Water etc. and other are moving up quickly into the $5,000 range. Do others see this happening?

I had 10! Offers for GB in the first 10 minutes of offering my tron up for trade. That speaks volumes.... needless to say, it was comical how many wanted to dump it...

As far as shooting, I wouldn't trade my great shooting xmen le for a GB with $5K jammed in the coinbox, GB sadly couldn't shoot worse if it tried! That's why they are tanking... some of the most amazing art wasted on piss poor play and terrible code.

WTF! Worst layout EVER by Borg, the entire left side of the PF is shit. Taken up by the ridiculous oversized Wolvie head.

Good thing for you, NOBODY wants that pos Xmen

Tron sucks too btw.

Haha! You tell him champ!

Now I know you’ve lost the plot! Have another drink (or 10).

rd

Trudeau stigma stinks this title up too...I'm sure that will fade in time, but it's fresh now.

Haha, I don't need another beer to confirm what the crapola that is Xmen Rd!

Yes Delt, Tron blows too, BUT its 100x better than Crapmen.

IF they do. I "guarantee" you there will be a class action suit lined up at the jump.

It's called "promissory estoppel" and if they try and pull that BS it will get UGLY.

I'm with u Ice. It's the only thing im playing at the moment.

Simply amazing.

It's Lyman. So much better than everything else out there. Along with Keefer too.

The folks who file that class action suit should be stoned with pinballs.

Oh no! My retirement was resting on these pins!

This is not a GBLE issue.

Market right sizing with to many pins available, to many vaults and remakes, to many new titles, and wait those ridiculously high prices on LEs and Collectors editions.

Also, when there is not a big difference between premium and LE on Sterns this hurts too.

I was looking at ACDC LTBR or BIBL; however when you can get Vault with a shaker total NIB for 6800; I feel bad for those guys listing at 10-12k.

On the FLIP side it is a great time to buy and get into pinball.

The future...New titles will lose value because not to many people in the “buy used” market will be able to pay more let alone pay same price as NIB. Older modern games will creep up slowly and you might make a small buck. The market forces are driving this on both ends. Of course, this is for the vast majority of games; there will be exceptions on both ends.

Is this a Stern hater comment again Mike or what?

JJP lovefest? I don't get it. All you seem to do is complain about Stern.

The comment was IF Jack tries to flood some more sales of POTCCE AFTER he's extracted $12,500 from me and others he will get a letter in the mail.

It won't be throwing pinballs, trust me.