Your Dragons Lair is in a 3 player Merc cabinet?

Jared, that is a ton of picture taking! Thank for doing this! Why 'o why did they put LEDs in every EM! YUCK!

Thanx for taking the time to share...

Dang, I was there yesterday and didn't see WOZ tucked away on the end aisle.

Nice work Jared. Appreciate the work you have been doing to share the pinball experience with fellow Pinsiders.

Thanks for putting these pix up.
I'll make it out there someday...

It cuts the power use by 60%, and protects irreplaceable plastics and backglasses .

The old White LEDs had terrible whites, hopefully as the Warm White LEDs get better, they will start swapping them out.

Yeah I can understand energy costs. I just hope they get LEDs that look like #44/47 bulbs soon.

Heading down next week for the street car supernationals and will take a day to enjoy every last one of these, thx for the pics!!

I thank you for posting these pictures! Now I want to go there more than ever.

I just hope they get a Fish Tales and a BSD before I visit in December. I didn't see them in your pics.

Well Dragons Lair is my arcade grail. Plus I had a 3 player Merc cabinet so in this one instance, I actually know what Im talking about.

Tim soldered in bulk LED's in most of the em's years ago. At the old location.

Wow, thank you for posting...I get to see the machines in person this Thanksgiving. Looking forward to playing top 100 titles that are hard to find, I can't wait!

Lol.. aww.. thanks hun!! anytime .. was a pleasure getting to hang out with you as soon as I figured out who you were.. We have led's in the machines for the exact reason listed above... cuts down on cost of power.. over 250 machines generates a pretty big power bill every month.. Also protects plastics and backglasses.. Right now we are mainly using Nifty Led for our cool whites.. I also have been wanting to get some warm whites in house.. I agree they will look better in a few games that the cool whites throws the coloring off on.. wanted to put them in playboy. We don't use colored leds barely at all.. cost issue. Also we are trying to shop the games to prolong usage and playability for our clientele, not shop them for home use or resale value. I am going to post this link on the phof website .. as you have cataloged all our pins for us.. lol Thank you.. for volunteering for that.. saved me some time. Hope to see you again at It never Drains in January!!

I thought Old Chicago looked killer in leds. If I would have had mine for more than a week I would have led'd it!
I know I know drop the ban hammer on me

Thanks for the pics!

Anything to save money, Tim will do it. That includes not having to replace them as often (hence why he switched to superbands for flippers). Also LED's cut down on heat, something you definitely need in vegas.

Thank you sharing! A few grail pins on there for me. I am hoping to get out there in the Spring.

Wow, I've wanted to go to the Hall of fame for awhile now, now I wanna go right now!

Thanks for sharing. What an undertaking!

Yeh, it's amazing how far along the pinball LED technology has come in just a few years. Wish Tim could have waited a while before going this route, and one can only hope that a second mass LED replacement could occur at some point. Bright white point source light is what put me off on a lot of games when I was there (and LEDs in general). It's not just the photos, but the blinding vs. very dark is true to how the games looked in person. Once I came here to Pinside and saw how it could be done tastefully with a little time and a lot of the newer bulbs that are being offered, I have since been swayed the other direction. Still, it's amazing to see so many games under one roof.

I think what he meant by 'interesting first comment' is you said "Your dragon's lair is in a 3 player merc cabinet"... which was 'interesting' because :

1) it's not his game.
2) I don't think he had anything to do with the game boards being swapped around.
3) he just took pictures of the games.

Brilliant!
Most of the games look good and relatively clean.
LEDs help shots be seen better in this environment.
I look forward to working on many of them again someday.

Thanks for doing this. I definitely need to check this place out sometime.

Very cool. I got to spend time at PHOF in September and remembered WOZ being all the way against the far wall in the middle of the isle so I guess it moved. It was built in June if I remember correctly. Spent half the day playing WOZ, MET, and Tron LE.

Wow, I saw you with your camera so I knew you were taking photos, just not of everything! Even with all the photos and videos we all take of the place it still doesn't do it justice till you visit yourself. Even after almost a full week I still didn't play everything. I'd much rather come to play Tim's collection then walk around on The Strip and waste my money in the casinos. It was great to finally play the Haunted House after seeing it down for so long. (I got a full video of me playing it)

With what some folks are saying about the LED's after spending some time, I really don't mind them. Only in a few games where they used older model LED's do you notice. The Addams Family and Twilight Zone are WAY too dark but I do like the way the Wedgeheads look in LED's. It really showcases more of the art in the game and brightens them up and they look really nice. It's when some people go overboard with multicolors and stuff that just doesn't belong. Thankfully Tim and the crew keep them all white, I've seen videos where people put multicolor, color changing LED's in games made in the 60's and 70's and it stands out like a sore thumb.

I also noticed a lot of games are using the new Superbands. It's hit or miss for me. I think some folks said they feel better when they've had some use and I tend to agree. When I went the Saturday before Modern Pinball NYC's opening they had just put in new Superbands into the games and they didn't feel right to me, the ones at PHoF have been used and feel a little bit better as far as gripping the ball but the bounce feels a bit off sometimes. If I was a home owner I'd be sure I'd notice it more on a game I've played a million times, but that's how I feel as a once and a while pinball player.

I wonder how many farts are released at the PHoF on an average day of visitors?

This is how I felt when visiting there also. The ones they're using are harsh and unnatural, it kind of detracts from the nostalgia.

Thanks for posting all the pics. Great job!
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Jeremy Agema
Central WI

well, it beats having tons of burnt out bulbs. with that many EMs, there's no way they would be able to keep up with all the burnt incandescents. plus as previously mentioned, the LEDs generate so much less heat and so much less UV radiation, it prevents warping and fading and other heat-related damage. plus it reduces energy consumption of the games themselves, and probably reduces their A/C costs as well.

I want to play the Q-Bert game. Because layout.

Wow, great job on the pictures. They definitely make me want to go to PHoF even more than I already did.

I guess I did use a lot of smiley face.. haha.. I think I do that a lot.. there I go again!!

Tim was doing that for years before "The Community" was. It's all about money. When you run hundreds of games with hundreds of light bulbs, the cost for power is a real important factor. LEDs cost less to run and don't have to be replaced as often. While I agree that it looks bad, it makes a lot more sense than loadin' up on the 44s! Oh, and he told me that himself.

They must have recently added more pins? Some of these I did not see when I went?

Wow! Great pix! What a collection! (did they have an EATPM)?
Thanks for taking the time to share!

Wow! I was there not long ago and I missed played so many of these - need to go again!

I wasn't suggesting he stop using LEDs. As far as I can remember he's using cool white un-domed LEDs that look awful in an EM. There are much better options. I had a mix of Cointaker warm white retros and frosteds in my EM and I was really happy with it. I don't know the story behind his choices, and I would guess he got whatever was cheapest (understandable with the huge quantity he had to buy), but as I said it detracts from the nostalgia and I wish he'd been more thoughtful in the type of LEDs he used.

Thanks for posting must have taken hours

Kurisu: he was putting them in games long before they came socketed. If you listen to Topcast #4 he explains that he was cutting off lightbulb sockets and soldering in LEDs in their place at least as long ago as '07. Given the durability of LEDs, it wouldn't surprise me if many of those LEDs are still in place, and yes technology has improved in the last six years...