You're ridiculous. It's totally fine if you hate the games or if they all suck to you. But most them are finished.

Tron is very polished and totally finished. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be improvements - nothing cant be improved. But it's done. You look silly putting this down as a "is not finished".

Also this game is finished. All features are implemented, there are no known bugs. The game is finished. Just because you want more from the ruleset doesn't mean it's not finished. Finishing code does not mean scanning the internet for every possible feature request and implementing it. No company does that - nor should they feel they need to. Again, could it be improved? Yes, for sure. But it is definitely finished and feels as such.

Yea, this one needs an update. But they are actively working on it. You realize programmers don't pull code out of their butts right? It takes time, effort, and lots of play testing.

This one is terrible right now. I admit it. In fact, I refuse to play it until it's updated. But there will for sure be updates. It's not a question of "if" or if you've been screwed. You will get an update for this. Yes, I have a big wish list for this, but it's not like I expect it to be exactly how I want it. They will make it how they think it should be, and that's where it will end.

I can. Tron and TF are finished. Again, finishing something isn't adding every feature *you* may want.

And? Not being great doesn't mean finished. How are they going to add software to make the game transform? This is a completely different issue than non finished games.

Totally finished and a decent game.

There was no shaft. There's nothing listed in transformers feature list on the product that went for sale that said "transforming toys". Anyone that ordered it went in knowing that. So how we're those folks shafted? As for avatar, not sure what the issue is there. Nothing seems incomplete. It's not a masterpiece, but I actually miss mine.

I bought a TFLE and sold it after playing a few hundred games. I didn't feel shafted. But there were better games to sit in my limited space. Ill rebuy it if my second level goes in. As for avatar, pretty much the same thing. To be honest, I miss transformers and avatar more than I play most my Bally Williams collection. There's a good chance I'll have to thin the herd there.

See I don't understand this. I remember seeing the feature list when the preorders came up and none of these things were listed.

As for the one transformers bug you pointed out that I never saw, that certainly is not serious enough to bitch that TF is "unfinished". But cool that you knew about this

The avatar stuff may make more sense to me if I ever saw the LE. Do any of those things also apply to the pro?

Certainly none of this warrants all the bitching "stern never finishes their games".

I see it differently:
- all games except WoF get finished
- all current games are finished except acdc and xmen.
- TFLE may be a disappointment but it got finished
- acdc is not yet finished, that sucks but it will be.
- xmen LE is not yet playable. That sucks.
- It sucks stern releases the games as unfinished as say xmen was.

None of those missing features were on the TFLE feature list when I ordered my game. I saw a list of features released for the pro and changes for the LE all at the same time. Taken from pinball news:

"The standard Limited Edition will keep the Autobots v Decepticons theme while adding an upper playfield, more animated and illuminated toys, a shaker motor, a drop target, a second spinner, a metal ramp, violet and crimson side rails and hinges, LED playfield illumination, a second controlled gate on the orbit shot to create additional shot rules and a different Megatron "Cyber Ball Lock".  In addition to all that, the usual extras such as illuminated apron windows, playfield sliders and a traditional-style lock bar are also included, and if you buy one of the first 35 numbered machines you'll get a George Gomez signature on the playfield before it is clear coated."

And then stern had the feature list on their web site afterwards with the same list that is there today.

As for the avatar issues, I'll have to agree that those things exist. But I don't co sider them significant, do you? That game feels finished and plenty polished and bigger bugs exist in B/W titles. Certainly doesn't warrant "stern never finishes their games" talk. "stern releases unfinished games" seems fair, but they get finished. May not meet expectations.

That may be true, but when it came time to order the game, the list was as I pasted. The disappointment should have been realized before ordering not after receiving the game. Such is how it was for me.

I like TFLE. But I'm not arguing its all it could have been. I am arguing that it's not incomplete SW wise. I'm not arguing the SW is great. Only that it's finished. No one was blind sided. We were told what would be on the game by the time we paid. It's fair to be disappointed in the game but it's not fair to call it not finished.

That feature list sounds great. It's not what I saw when I ordered. Is that what you based your order off? If do you should actually have had them pick up the machine and refund.

Anyways, if the code gets updated and looks interesting I may buy again and I may just get a pro this time and spruce up the PF with more toys.

I prefer plastic ramps. The acdc and xmen ramps are do clear. It really brightens up the machine. I think plastic ramps flow better also. So far in my home, a ramp has never broken.