I was scratching my head wondering why my Grand Lizard feels like it has better flow than my Diner, and Whirlwind. I think I now know why, it's the lack of pop bumpers. Pop bumpers (sometimes) are on the stop n go side of things, depending on what kinds of cool things the ball can hit after being held up by the pop bumpers. Basically, I feel like my game is held hostage in Diner or Whirlwind while I'm waiting for the pops to give me my ball back. I didn't realize it until today -- I am, and have never been a fan of pop bumpers. They look and sound cool, but they (sometimes) hold up the action a bit longer than desired.

I was trying to figure out why I am so locked into playing Grand Lizard in terms of how good it FEELS to play it. I don't require a deep rule set to be amused, I prefer flow and non-stop action. This playstyle preference makes me like Diner over Whirlwind, and I'm starting to fear -- if it weren't for the backglass artwork, I'd soon be re-rating Grand Lizard HIGHER than Diner and Whirlwind. People would call me absolutely mad for doing that. Nuts.

I think the fact that I am NEVER more than 1 second away from being in the action in Grand Lizard is why I love it so much. Ball lock takes 2 seconds, and it's a deliberate shot. I know the 2 seconds is coming, when I plan for it. Other than that, the game NEVER takes the ball away from me, when the GAME wants to. (Other than maybe a horizontal sling-fest for a few seconds, but then, I'm just getting my magna-save fingers in position, so I can't REALLY call that "out of action") -- I can't say this for any other game I own or have played. You cannot take your eyes off Grand Lizard after you click the start button. You *must* lock a ball to take a sip from your beer on this one.

This leads me to ask: What pins have no pop bumpers? I want to discover them!

thanks!
MOF

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Big Guns
Elektra
Fire!
Grand Lizard
Judge Dredd
Jungle Lord
Junkyard
Lightning
No Fear
Spectrum
Swords of Fury
The Shadow

#2 11 years ago

SMK

TheLaw

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Ann Arbor, MI

12y 162K 48,039 19 30 1

Shadow doesn;t but not a fan of it. NF would be my pick...especially if you like speed.

#3 11 years ago

NAM

kwiKimart

Inactive member

San Diego, CA

12y 90,650 10,693 3 71

Shadow is my favorite without pop bumpers.

#4 11 years ago

ROB

RCA1

Pinside+ Addict

St Joseph, MI

11y 128K 8,679 28 11

Big Guns.
System 11 awsomeness with no pops.

Grand Lizard is my brother's favorite pin. It's a great game.

#5 11 years ago

JLM

jlm33

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Villejuif

11y 152K 5,892 7 169

Try Spectrum !

#6 11 years ago

TIM

FirePower

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12y 50,400 293 22 30

SOF is another great non-pop bumper game.

#7 11 years ago

STU

stuartr7

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Roseneath, ON

12y 22,650 311 2 8

Judge Dredd,
the best!

#8 11 years ago

ENO

pinaholic

In Memoriam

New York, NY

12y 68,550 2,118 49

Big guns comes to mind for me.

#9 11 years ago

DEL

SealClubber

Pinside Moderator

14y 127K 11,060 246

La Sambra.

#10 11 years ago

RML

tpn2011

Pinside member

Gulf Shores, AL

12y 55,900 1,418 1

Not really a fan of no pop bumpers all pins need atleast 3 But the games without I would have to vote shadow or dredd

#11 11 years ago

CNH

ChadH

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12y 92,400 2,859

Fire! Great System 11 with no pops.

#12 11 years ago

RST

PinRob

Pinside member

11y 103K 3,765 39

Quoted from stuartr7:
Judge Dredd,
the best!

Have to agree!

#13 11 years ago

HPR

Pinside member

Laval, QC

11y 48,050 472 12

Elektra no pop bumpers ! 3 level playfields 6 flippers, true piece of art and great rules.

#14 11 years ago

ERJ

tracelifter

Inactive member

12y 80,300 6,318

No Fear.

#15 11 years ago

TDK

thedarkknight77

Pinside member

12y 92,050 5,189 7 37

Easy one.................Shadow takes this one hands down!

#16 11 years ago

MGE

MattElder

Alvin G & Co. Museum

13y 98,300 1,855

CP is one of my favorites of those without pops.

#17 11 years ago

AST

Astropin

Pinside+ Member

11y 125K 8,900

JD......then NF.

#18 11 years ago

GFD

dannunz

Pinside member

Charlton, MA

12y 112K 4,554 14 12

Shadow

#19 11 years ago

SMG

krupa

Inactive member

Altoona, PA

12y 48,900 964 12

Dredd.

#20 11 years ago

YVH

goodgameslover

Inactive member

Borsbeek

12y 36,150 881 6

Shadow, Judge Dredd and No fear are awesome!

#21 11 years ago

WTM

PennSkier

Inactive member

Easton, PA

11y 43,400 386 12

Williams FIRE!

#22 11 years ago

DCT

pinmanguy

Inactive member

Melbourne

11y 45,400 1,538 24

shaq attaq doesn't have pop bumpers...

#23 11 years ago

CDF

Collin

Pinside member

Columbus, OH

11y 116K 5,271 29 82

Judge Dredd! It didn't occur to me for the first few days that I owned it that there were no pop bumpers, but it always felt more flowing than most other pins to me. Definitely a great game; if you like how a game flows without a little pop-bumper-sanctuary, try Dredd.

#24 11 years ago

CDF

Collin

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Columbus, OH

11y 116K 5,271 29 82

Quoted from pinmanguy:
Shaq Attaq doesn't have pop bumpers...

:lol:Thank you for the best laugh I've had today! (and you're correct.)

#25 11 years ago

TSM

darkfaith

Inactive member

Iaeger, WV

12y 56,400 360 1 130

fire!, shadow, and judge dredd...easily the 3 best ive played

#26 11 years ago

SJW

winslow

Pinside member

Santa Clarita, CA

11y 38,550 251 12

No Fear & Jungle Lord

#27 11 years ago

MLP

beefzap

Pinside member

Fort Mill, SC

19y 59,900 537 8 16

Shadow, doesn't need them...has the battlefield

#28 11 years ago

PBS

pinballshark

Pinball Shark

Tampa Bay, FL

12y 62,800 265

Lightning.

#29 11 years ago

LRP

lukerp

Pinside member

Regina, SK

12y 42,650 1,320

Hey,

If you're looking for a list, I'll throw Junkyard in there, as it hasnt been mentioned. Favorite? The Shadow. That game either flies or is a clunky beast; depends on whether or not you can make your shots...

Luke

#30 11 years ago

DUG

trilogybeer

Pinside+ Frequent

Elkhorn, WI

11y 150K 8,879 14 1

Junkyard

#31 11 years ago

JAI

navajas

Pinside member

Sequim, WA

11y 59,550 1,910 3

I don't know, does Arabian Nights qualify? I know they're back there but they can go a whole game without firing.

#32 11 years ago

ROB

robx46

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13y 78,550 1,124 5 23

I think Judge Dredd wins this race quite easily, but Shadow is good too. NF is OK but its no JD.

#33 11 years ago

JMG

Pintucky

Pinside member

Bowling Green, KY

13y 85,300 2,306 18

Junk Yard. Awesome!!!

#34 11 years ago

WEB

Magic_Mike

Pinside member

Atlanta, GA

11y 56,550 2,985 20

Probably Judge Dredd or Junkyard. Not popular, but you get a lot of bank for your buck.

#35 11 years ago

HAY

mikehay1

Pinside member

Antioch, IL

13y 51,800 129 11 23

Dredd but I am slightly biased since i just bought one

#36 11 years ago

EKA

Flamethrower

Inactive member

Oakland, CA

11y 50,400 238 23

~~Junkyard is another one without bumpers.~~ For a favorite, I'll vote for Fire!

_{Post edited by Flamethrower : When I reloaded the page after commenting, saw that several people had already noted the pin I mentioned.}

#37 11 years ago

DAD

TurboBengal

Inactive member

Louisville, KY

11y 56,400 495 4 134

no fear

#38 11 years ago

M W

mwong168

Pinside member

Toronto, ON

12y 62,550 1,721 11 49

The Shadow or Judge Dredd for me

#39 11 years ago

???

Indypin

Pinside member

Charlestown, IN

12y 84,800 1,839 23

Junkyard. Don't own a NF but I played it at a friend's house and loved it!

#40 11 years ago

RYE

Pimp77

Pinside member

20y 92,650 6,275 78

Quoted from navajas:
I don't know, does Arabian Nights qualify? I know they're back there but they can go a whole game without firing.

Even if you shoot the ball into them...the arrangement gets you a couple pops max and you're done. Total waste of space on that game.

#41 11 years ago

JAI

navajas

Pinside member

Sequim, WA

11y 59,550 1,910 3

Quoted from Pimp77:
Even if you shoot the ball into them...the arrangement gets you a couple pops max and you're done. Total waste of space on that game.

My seven year old said, "Dad, you should get like a million points per hit on the bumpers because they're way harder to get than the fire ball ramp".

Ha.

#42 11 years ago

MJM

mmuglia

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11y 91,550 1,318 7

Judge Dredd

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