Sorry. But this is BS. I tried your glass. It is slightly better. It is not good enough. I ended up ordering Pdi / invisiglass for all 33 of my machines anyway. This was done after testing your glass. The sheet of your glass was given to a friend after. There is no comparison. Why would someone spend $7000 on a new game but cheap out go save $150 on a sheet of glass that makes worlds of difference? I can see owners of segas, and sub $2000 machines cheapening out on this. But no way on upper end games. Plus when you sell the game you keep the glass. So if your gameroom has a max size you really never buy the stuff again once you're all full.

If its about options then we wouldn't keep seeing these threads every couple months saying how this glass is good enough and you won't need the existence if those other options.

I will say Phoog is a good and honest guy. His shipping time is fast. He cut a special size for my safe cracker. And I have his glass on my safecracker where the invisi/Pdi isn't available. But I'm still ordering a custom safe cracker size from Joeys next order to replace it. Unfortunately, that takes months.

Yes. I only chimed in because Phoog made the comparison. Had he just said "I have some good clarity glass in between regular and Pdi buy for half the cost" I wouldn't have had to say anything. But when the comparison was made and made inaccurately, it can't be left alone. It misleads people to thinking its almost invisiglass quality for half price. It's really not the case. It's closer to a new sheet of regular glass than invisiglass.

It is not a lie. I bought a regular sized sheet from you 7 months ago when I only had ~20 sheets of the other. I did it and told you I would review it upon purchase since you were hijacking every invisiglass thread at the time. I reviewed it in detail here:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/phoogs-pinball-glass-vs-pdi-vs-invisiglass
So if your glass was good enough, why did I buy 13 more sheets of the other since?

I would recommend you don't call people liars when they can prove otherwise.

pdi glass does not scratch easier then regular glass. The issue is that it's so clear you can easily notice a scratch on it and at $300 shipped per sheet you want it to stay perfect. But to approach Pdi / invisiglass / phoogs glass as if they're somehow more fragile is wrong. They're all tempered glass.

The two glasses look great because it looks like there is no glass on the machine. It's not about reducing Dmd glare. Anyone that makes this claim misses the point.

So the wording could have been better but it wasn't a lie. I reviewed your glass and proceeded to buy a crapload more of the other since. That's the point.

My other thread covers it extremely well.

Since I've already been called a liar, jerk, and idiot I have nothing to lose so...
For anyone that wants Phoog quality glass without the drama there are two alternatives:

1) Gene at Illinois pinball has something similar for around $100 a sheet. Not on his website so call him. Everyone should know gene is a decent honest guy to deal with. I saw it at the Seattle show and it was at least as clear as phoogs if not better.

2) almost every local glass company can order "starfire" glass for you tempered and cut to size. Unfortunately it's 1/4" thick so it may be tough to slide in some cases. You may be able to get them to bevel the sides down to 3/16 for you if you ask.

I never said your glass was so bad. I said, and linked to a post that detailed, that I own 33 sheets of the better glass. When I had only 20 sheets I ordered one of yours to test. It didn't compare and I ended up ordering 13 more sheets of the other stuff to complete my collection.

I don't need to exaggerate. Your topic says that there is no need for the other glass. My point was to show another perspective. Your glass is nowhere near close enough to not need or want the other glass - for someone that really wants an invisiglass like product. Your post was so misleading that someone ready to buy invisiglass might have thought yours was the same. It's not. They would have been out $150 shipped and been unhappy.

I was never rude to you while ordering. If i was i appologize. I don't have the exchanges in my inbox anymore but off the top of my head, our exchange was something like:
"hey, can you do a special safe cracker sized cut?"
"yea, what are the dimensions"
"here they are, how much you want and where do I pay"

Boy that sounds really rude. If you consider that rude then wow anyone wanting to order beware.

Agreed. But since you called me a jerk I had nothing to lose so I just lived up to your expectations. Next time don't call someone names and they may not need to live up to those names

Actually, in my quests to save money on the Pdi, I bought 3-5 sheets of starfire glass at 1/4". The glass fit pretty well into all my B/W games and in lord of the rings but not in my newest stern, avatar at the time. The thicker glass solved the afm sub rattles I had also. It's not as bad as you think. And I'm just offering it as an alternative. Clarity wise, it looked just like your glass. Whomever dislikes that option can use Gene at Illinois pinball. His glass was $90 a sheet at the show, I believe.

Bummer. I really don't dislike you personally, other than the constant insults from you in this thread. I've had to constantly follow up your posts in every Pdi and invisiglass thread though because you have repeatedly tried to pass off your glass as equal but cheaper or so close you can't tell but cheaper. It's not fair to anyone ordering to be mislead. This is what spawned my ordering your glass to begin with. And when I placed my first order with you it was clear that I would be comparing it to the Pdi and invisiglass and reporting back publicly.

Feel free to sell your glass. It's not a bad value for what you get. But try and pass it off as even close to Pdi or invisiglass and I'll be there within the hour with massive data proving it wrong.

Yes. And you're the wall.

And as long as the thread title doesn't change and the thread is active, the bashing continues as people that (like me) buy the stuff only to find they still need invisiglass chime in. Bob's glass is a fine product but the topic title comparison is misleading and an outright lie. So we can't "quit bashing the guy" as long as thus topic remains and the thread keeps being bumped.

You can see the difference. It's a nice upgrade. It's just not invisiglass.

I dunno. After reading these recent posts I'd like to see those questions answered also