Unless you hate green edges when you pull the glass out of the machine, I see absolutely no appreciable difference between this "white" glass and regular. Pass...

I just ordered two more sheets to go along with my T2. The more I look at it next to my other pins, the more I like it. Plus I'm just starting my restore of The Getaway and want new glass anyway so what the heck.

Yes. And you're the wall.

and apparently I don't want to go camping with Centerflank. Now I know where your online name comes from.

Well thats just fine, I got dozens of pm's from other pinsiders eager to join me next summer on my earliest camping expedition.

Well that explains a lot of things going on around here.

To bring this whole thread back full circle, we should have a competition, full blown WWF (yes, I know the name is now WWE) style:

Phoog glass vs. Invisiglass at the next Pinvitantional. If Phoog's glass wins, he may keep his style of marketing (which many are calling trolling and disinginuious); if Invisiglass wins then Phoog has to go camping with centerflank . . .

I received my ultimate glass already, it shattered immediately and shards of it hit all my kids, see you in the spring Phoog!

While you guys are all busy 'camping' send the wives over to my house

Did this thread just go the way of Brokeback Mountain?

This thread has actually gotten to be one of the funniest ones going on this site right now . . . I'm not sure what that says about my sense of humor but I'm sure it isn't anything good.

I might have to try one out.

Then why did you book a tent at the campground already?

I'd highly appreciate it, if Phoog and all other owners of Phoog's glass could make a comparison
video like I did with a very, very similar glass type, so that interested parties could imagine how the glass would look like in their machines.
We are not judging a book by the cover and we are not judging a pinball glass leaning on a wall or laying on a white styrofoam sheet.
I'd like to see, how it performs on or in a game face on, because this is the place where the glass will be used.
I have used same light conditions, same angles, the same game at the same time to see a difference between a regular and a low iron oxide sheet.
I couldn't...
Phoog, do I have the wrong low iron oxide glass ?
Should I try a borosilicate glass instead ?
Mine is really so bright and clear, see here...

The contestants are: green floatglass (used in pinball games), Optiwhite (low iron oxide) and borosilicate glass
The borosilicate glass is so pure, so clear and so bright, so why is it not used in pinball machines ?
BECAUSE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN A GAME UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE

cherrios on the laptop monitor. LOLOLOLOL

I like all types of pinball games.

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As I'm reading this thread, this is what I see

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That woudl be a great pinball game! The Jones' callouts could be epic!

BAAAA HA HA HA HA!

If Phoog was really interested in providing a true comparison he would have done so on the first post of his thread with exact conditions duplicated with the different types of glass. SAD REALLY. Actions speak much louder than your words Phoog!!!!

Well, that was fun.

Is this over yet?

Simple, really. If you'd like to cover your machines with glass so you don't catch an airball to the gills, go with regular glass. If you'd like to have a little extra clarity with the possibility of being insulted by the seller, go with this glass.

Yah, hilarious. Most people that wish to be taken seriously, would take 5 min and the different types of glass they have over to their pinball machines, and take some comparison photo's. You have spent more than 5 min on this thread ignoring genuine request for this, and calling people names. You are learing.... at least you only laughed at me this time around.

For the record, I am in the market for new and improved glass for my machine, but you will never see what my wallet looks like.

Thanks for confirming what I thought!

Have a nice day and stay warn!

Yeah Phoog! LOL

Quit bashing the guy already - I mean really - if you don't like his product then fine - but there are some that have purchased it and DO like it and it didn't cost an arm and a leg compared to the other stuff. So if you want a piece of glass that's better than standard glass this is it. If you want the HIGH end stuff then get it. But why keep trolling on his thread. What has he done to YOU that makes YOU need to keep trashing his glass.

Again, nobody is offending Phoog in person and the product he's offering.
I'm questioning his marketing attitude and the way information is provided.
Laughing about opinions doesn't prevent that
the community will proceed asking the same questions over and over.
Is it that difficult to shoot a pic with Phoog's non beveled glass on one half of the machine
and a regular sheet on the other ?
Here's another example...
www.networkbrokers.de/2faces.jpg

This thread hasn't been about the quality of the glass in a long while. It is about how people present themselves.

Not really too proud of that being confirmed, just for the record.

Untill I see PDI, Invisiglass, and this stuff all iin the same place not really sure that I could judge it.

I'm genuinely interested in it, but not in shipping it. That's why I was posting. But yeah...this thread? Woof.

And as long as the thread title doesn't change and the thread is active, the bashing continues as people that (like me) buy the stuff only to find they still need invisiglass chime in. Bob's glass is a fine product but the topic title comparison is misleading and an outright lie. So we can't "quit bashing the guy" as long as thus topic remains and the thread keeps being bumped.

That is a very good comparison photo! Best I have seen in a while.

Is that "regular" glass on the left and PDI on the right? That glass on the left looks smokey as hell. Is it a new sheet? Could we get a shot pulled back so we can get some kind of context for the environment in which the image was captured?

Phoog, please give it a rest. He clearly has not knocked your glass. He even admits it is better than regular glass and it is, however it is simply not a replacement for PDI or Invisiglass, at all. The point here is you are a bit misleading and unbecoming in your responses. All you have to do is simply state, "Hey guys I have this fantastic glass that is a great replacement for standard glass. If you are not looking to spend $300+ on PDI or Invisiglass, but still improve the clarity for your pinball glass, then my glass is perfect for you."

See, don't compare it to PDI/Invisiglass as it is in a different category, but is still way better than regular glass, we can all agree on that, and we have. I do appreciate you providing an improvement over regular glass for the pinball community and I do think your price is pretty reasonable. However, I am not thrilled in your responses. As the seller and having a business you do have to eat your pride a bit. Accept some criticism, develop from that and roll with the punches. All will be good my man.

Paint your ceiling flat black and you'll never overspend on glass again.

One thing in this thread is for sure, regardless of the quality of the glass or price of the glass, Phoog needs someone with some marketing expertise making a few posts on his behalf on his account. I think Phoog would generate more sales that way as his product does look good and is a cheaper (though lesser) alternative to the ubber high end glass. Phoog just seems to offend people with his way of speaking.

What, a camping trip with Centreflank .... ?

Bring the lube!

Jk, jk ..

rd.

Bring the lube; he'll bring the GHB . . . LOL. That one joke he made shall have Centreflank branded for the remainder of his pinside existence. He should embace it though and change his avatar to a campsite dungeon.

Phoog, pay this guy $20 for copyright and just start pasting it into all your threads.

Job done.

That's why I say it is not about the glass anymore. There are too many classy people in this hobby to bother dealing with folks who have issues with their presentation.

That would actually solve all of Phoog's image problems. No one seems to complain about his shipping time or packaging, it is just the way he speaks that rubs many the wrong way. He just needs to get someone to write up something like that and once a month start a thread with some comparison pictures with high depth cameras.

If he wanted to be totally fair, he should do the comparison of Phoog vs. regular and Phoog vs. PDI and show the price point differences and then not comment when others come in and make their own observations. His credibility and sales would both go up.

This discussion reminds me of the movie Branded (low budget, just came out, and it was awesome).

Cmon man, how do you know you dont like it if you never tried it before? Ok, that was my last booty joke, enjoy!

In Bob's defense, many on here go out of their way to be rubbed the wrong way. From someone giving a certain member a thumbs down for every post they make, to correcting grammer. I have been rubbed the wrong way on Pinside, and made stupid comments. It happens. I just don't keep going and going and going. Let it go. I'm trying to be a better person, and not nit pick every little thing. Life is too short. If you have a personal beef with another member, take it to the PM's, and keep it private. Don't feed the trolls.

Both sides make valid points, they have been stated many times in this thread. Don't need to keep stating them.

Bob, I like your product, I think it is a viable option, on upgrading from regular glass. I wish you would send some to MGC, as I think it would sell.

Bill

Yes and yes.
Windows on the left, natural light, no overhead lights.
It is correct that under certain circumstances glass can look smokey or foggy
The first vid was taken more than 4 years ago and shows a realistic comparison between regular
and anti reflective glass non glare glass.

Still, posts from other Pinsiders are pushing my questions to Phoog back and they still haven't been answered.

Dear Phoog,

could you explain to me/us, as an glass industry veteran and specialist:
What have I done wrong or what could I change in my test scenario (see page 3) that I can't see any difference between a regular sheet and a low iron oxide sheet in/on a game ?

This thread has me confused.

Can we see a video ,in this modern age, of the ops glass. Not Pdi.

I want to know is it worth it?

I'm ready to buy a couple of sheets.