YOPP (Yopp's Overhead Pinball Projection System) how to video.

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#1 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Here is the video as promised. I put links to the components in the video description.
A couple of things to note:
First, sorry about my froggy voice and being forgetful. I'm coming down with a cold and I'm hopped up on Nyquil and beer in the video.
Second- I start the video with just some simple video of the different playfields being projected (a few while being played), zooming in on each. Please watch that portion to see what different playfields (modern vs classic) look like on the system.
Third, The price I give for the conversion box is what I paid for it (Around $90), but it HAS COME DOWN! And right now, it's even on sale at $42. Snatch them up at that price!

Hope everyone gets some good info out of the video, and remember if you use this system at your arcade, please share pics and videos of it in this thread. Would love to see what others come up with!

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#2 6 years ago

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ForceFlow

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The camera mount screwed directly into the backbox? Eep

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#3 6 years ago

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PoMC

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Quoted from ForceFlow:
The camera mount screwed directly into the backbox? Eep

It's just a piece of wood that no one will ever see.

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#4 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from ForceFlow:
The camera mount screwed directly into the backbox? Eep

I take the time to show people how to set up a gallery monitor system, and THAT's what you took away from it? Aight...
Anyway, a screw hole doesn't bother me at all, as I have never gotten on a ladder to see if there are any screw holes in the top of a backbox when purchasing a machine, or when visiting an arcade. Like I said in the video, it ain't for everybody. And you can always come up with a different mounting solution.

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#5 6 years ago

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Cheddar

Thanks for this!

#6 6 years ago

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epthegeek

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Quoted from ForceFlow:
The camera mount screwed directly into the backbox? Eep

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Quoted from dyopp21:
Anyway, a screw hole doesn't bother me at all,

The difference between an operator and a "there's a footprint on the bottom of my cabinet" collector, folks.

Seems like it would be possible to develop some sort of a clamping version of the mount that you could use to prevent screw holes if you care. Maintain the hinged arm so you can get the camera out of the way, but some bumpers on the front edge of whatever the clamp ends up being for when the playfield is up. Mount the converter to the clamping device you come up with. All good.

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#7 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from epthegeek:
The difference between an operator and a "there's a footprint on the bottom of my cabinet" collector, folks.

Yup. I put a lot of time into restoring these machines (some say too much for a machine going out for public play). I don't mind replacing inserts or fixing graphics on the playfield to make them look and play as good as I can get them, but at the end of the day they are still going out to be enjoyed by the public (and make me a few dollars). As long as the cabinet is structurally sound, I don't even repaint them or touch them up. Every scratch and scar on that machine is evidence of it's past use in an arcade somewhere.

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#8 6 years ago

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ForceFlow

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Quoted from epthegeek:
The difference between an operator and a "there's a footprint on the bottom of my cabinet" collector, folks.

At tournaments, I usually see cameras on free-standing mounts or a frame to avoid putting extra holes in a game.

Personally, I just don't like making modifications to games that aren't easily reversible.

But, I realize an operator will treat games differently than a collector.

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#9 6 years ago

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epthegeek

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Muskego, WI

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Quoted from ForceFlow:
At tournaments, I usually see cameras on free-standing mounts or a frame to avoid putting extra holes in a game.

That has a lot to do with them being easily movable from game to game, too. Not so much a requirement for a more dedicated gallery monitor.

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#10 6 years ago

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yancy

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West Dundee, IL

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Quoted from ForceFlow:
At tournaments, I usually see cameras on free-standing mounts or a frame to avoid putting extra holes in a game.

Those would never work for location play because pins are constantly being shifted around slightly. Even an inch can ruin the camera angle. Tournament staff is always around to straighten things up.

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#11 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from ForceFlow:
At tournaments, I usually see cameras on free-standing mounts or a frame to avoid putting extra holes in a game.
Personally, I just don't like making modifications to games that aren't easily reversible.
But, I realize an operator will treat games differently than a collector.

Duly noted, and I really hope this doesn't become a whole discussion about "to screw hole or not to screw hole" (which as I'm quickly discovering is the M.O. of Pinside), the idea I'm trying to put forth is something that has helped foster competitive play at my arcade. That's what this is about. If you are collector and never want to modify your pin with a couple of screw holes in the top of your cabinet, hey, that's cool. But this is not at an expo type tournament setup, it's a permanent solution.

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#12 6 years ago

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woody76

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Great job David, all your games look great especially that Skateball

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#13 6 years ago

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pinballnut

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Thanks for taking the time to post the youtube vid. Nice work.

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#14 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from woody76:
Great job David, all your games look great especially that Skateball

Thanks Ron! I got it at a great deal from a respectable seller.

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#15 6 years ago

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Cheddar

GoldenStatePin

Lodi, CA

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dyopp21 can you provide some info on the displays you are using? Brand, Size?

Thanks

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#16 6 years ago

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desertT1

Tucson Pinball

Vail, AZ

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I like the potential of this setup. Anyone not wanting to damage machines could design a mount system that uses the leg bolts instead.

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#17 6 years ago

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chuckwurt

Pincinnati

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My only worry with this mount is are the playfields shaking the whole time on the displays due to the nudging from the players?

Amazing setup by the way. I know this takes tons of work.

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#18 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from Cheddar:
dyopp21 can you provide some info on the displays you are using? Brand, Size?
Thanks

Sure! They are the cheapest 32” Visio 720P you can buy at Sam’s ($144). My local Sam’s always has a bunch of them in the bin. Don’t know the model number off hand, sorry.

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#19 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from chuckwurt:
My only worry with this mount is are the playfields shaking the whole time on the displays due to the nudging from the players?
Amazing setup by the way. I know this takes tons of work.

Sometimes you WILL get some vibration in the image if the player is gunching the shit out of the machine. But it’s pretty minimal. Not bothersome at all.

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#20 6 years ago

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chuckwurt

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Quoted from dyopp21:
Sometimes you WILL get some vibration in the image if the player is gunching the shit out of the machine. But it’s pretty minimal. Not bothersome at all.

Good to know. Thanks!

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#21 6 years ago

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Whysnow

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Fantastic and THANKS for doing this! Looking forward to having some time to watch the video and research. I want to set 1 up for at least 1 game to try this out.

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#22 6 years ago

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desertT1

Tucson Pinball

Vail, AZ

12y 72,550 4,032 23

Anyone know if there is a way to combine HDMI outputs to USB, or just go straight from TVI or USB? Thinking of tournament streaming options and if there are any. Not having to buy tripods or build a behind the backbox arm pretty much pays for the overhead view of each game you do.

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#23 6 years ago

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chuckwurt

Pincinnati

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Quoted from desertT1:
Anyone know if there is a way to combine HDMI outputs to USB, or just go straight from TVI or USB? Thinking of tournament streaming options and if there are any. Not having to buy tripods or build a behind the backbox arm pretty much pays for the overhead view of each game you do.

Can you hang something from the ceiling?

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#24 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from desertT1:
Anyone know if there is a way to combine HDMI outputs to USB, or just go straight from TVI or USB? Thinking of tournament streaming options and if there are any. Not having to buy tripods or build a behind the backbox arm pretty much pays for the overhead view of each game you do.

If you can figure out a way to convert the cam signal (TVI etc) this would be easy to pull a feed. The box has a pass through for the original signal (you can see it in the video).

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#25 6 years ago

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Cheddar

GoldenStatePin

Lodi, CA

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Quoted from dyopp21:
Sure! They are the cheapest 32” Visio 720P you can buy at Sam’s ($144). My local Sam’s always has a bunch of them in the bin. Don’t know the model number off hand, sorry.

Thanks. It's hard to gauge the size in the video. I was worried 32 would be too small.

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#26 6 years ago

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desertT1

Tucson Pinball

Vail, AZ

12y 72,550 4,032 23

Quoted from chuckwurt:
Can you hang something from the ceiling?

Nope, hockey rink, so the roof is way up there. I looked at the camera rig on a cable setup that The Sanctum has, but without remote pan/tilt and zoom capabilities you are at the mercy of each game's position, which may change as the event goes on.

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#27 6 years ago

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Snailman

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Austin, TX

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Very cool! ... Except for your saying that you shouldn't play while looking up there," Yopp.

When PAPA first installed video monitors above pins, during the after-hours party, we played "M Division" dollar games (Monitor Division). Everyone was REQUIRED to play your game while looking at the monitor and dealing with the inherent delay.
Hilarity ensued. We kept playing M Division dollar games until our necks couldn't take it anymore. lol

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#28 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from Cheddar:
Thanks. It's hard to gauge the size in the video. I was worried 32 would be too small.

I’ve found 32” to be perfect for our space. Keep in mind that by the time you’re down to the last few in the tournament and you’ve got 20 or so people standing back at the bar watching the final match, they usually know the machine and they don’t need to see every detail. They just need to be able to track the ball and watch the score. It makes for some exciting finishes to our Friday Night tourneys.

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#29 6 years ago

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Driz1847

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Have you thought about live-streaming your tournaments in the future? I would enjoy watching that.

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#30 6 years ago

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Whysnow

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If you were to increase the quality or components of anything in your rig, what would it be?

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#31 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from Whysnow:
If you were to increase the quality or components of anything in your rig, what would it be?

The only thing you could really “improve” would be the TV resolution and/or size, but unless the space is just huge, the tradeoff isn’t worth the cost. It’s a 1080P signal going into a 720P TV currently, so there is some loss there.

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#32 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from Driz1847:
Have you thought about live-streaming your tournaments in the future? I would enjoy watching that.

We are in a small town with no good high speed internet access. Don’t think we have the bandwidth for a decent stream.

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#33 6 years ago

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FrankJ

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No more screw holes.

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#34 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from FrankJ:
No more screw holes.

Hahahaah! Nice! As long as it don’t let loose and you’ve got a camera crashing down on your PF glass.

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#35 6 years ago

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jgentry

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Thanks for posting this dyopp21, your setup in awesome. I didn't get to play in the Nashville tourney but all of the games looked great when I walked through and checked them out. I wouldn't be too worried about a few screw holes either.

Quoted from FrankJ:
No more screw holes.

Those barely hold a picture on the wall. I'd be much more afraid of the camera crashing through the glass then about any screw holes in the top of the head.

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#36 6 years ago

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epthegeek

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Quoted from dyopp21:
player is gunching the shit out of the machine

'gunching' is my new favorite word.

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#37 6 years ago

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frolic

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awesome job.

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#38 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from jgentry:
Thanks for posting this dyopp21, your setup in awesome. I didn't get to play in the Nashville tourney but all of the games looked great when I walked through and checked them out.

Thanks Mr. Gentry! And if I was rude at any point during that weekend, allow me to apologize! I know I can go trailing off in the middle of a conversation during those times. I get really scatterbrained when I’m trying to get ready to run a large tournament and trying to follow my thoughts is like trying to read graffiti on a passing train. If that makes any sense.

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#39 6 years ago

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luvthatapex2

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you mean nudging the shit out of the machine. As I understand gunching is the contortions a player makes while playing, while nudging is done to the physical machine to move it and affect the ball. I know, semantics, but since you used the word.... great word by the way!

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Quoted from dyopp21:
Sometimes you WILL get some vibration in the image if the player is gunching the shit out of the machine. But it’s pretty minimal. Not bothersome at all.

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#40 6 years ago

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Tsskinne

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Yes Thanks for sharing as I've shown my location a picture of your setup and they have been asking me to do this.

How are you mounting the TV's to the wall?

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#41 6 years ago

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Tsskinne

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Quoted from desertT1:
Anyone know if there is a way to combine HDMI outputs to USB, or just go straight from TVI or USB? Thinking of tournament streaming options and if there are any. Not having to buy tripods or build a behind the backbox arm pretty much pays for the overhead view of each game you do.

desertT1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0748QYPX9/_encoding=UTF8

I think this is what you would be looking for basically.

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#42 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from luvthatapex2:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you mean nudging the shit out of the machine. As I understand gunching is the contortions a player makes while playing, while nudging is done to the physical machine to move it and affect the ball. I know, semantics, but since you used the word.... great word by the way!

It’s kinda vague: here are two examples, one taken from Roger Sharpe’s 1977 book “Pinball!” and the other from the web. It seems it can mean “nudging” as well. At the arcade when someone yells “GUNCH IT!” Everybody takes that to mean “get rough with it.” It just sounds that way, ya know?50B55127-6ECD-46ED-BA7D-0A66F65EBAAB (resized).jpeg
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#43 6 years ago

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Tsskinne

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Quoted from dyopp21:
It’s kinda vague: here are two examples, one taken from Roger Sharpe’s 1977 book “Pinball!” and the other from the web. It seems it can mean “nudging” as well. At the arcade when someone yells “GUNCH IT!” Everybody takes that to mean “get rough with it.” It just sounds that way, ya know?

Learn something new every day!

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#44 6 years ago

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Lame33

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Pure ingenuity!

I've been researching and installing TVI dome cameras to upgrade security at work the past few weeks and I would have never considered this a possible use. Bravo.

Just never buy Doctor Who or Alien.

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#45 6 years ago

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dyopp21

The Yoppsicle

Arlington, TN

8y 85,150 650 92 6

Quoted from Tsskinne:
Yes Thanks for sharing as I've shown my location a picture of your setup and they have been asking me to do this.
How are you mounting the TV's to the wall?

$20 cheapo mounts from Amazon, then just mount the TV to them in the portrait mode (VESA mount for a smaller tv has the mount holes in a square pattern so you can mount it in whatever orientation you desire). You can even find mounts that come with a 10 foot HDMI cable. Two birds, one stone.